Archaeology and the Bible

[nathan3]

Here is a video of the place. -> Wadi Musa and Petra, Jordan | Nov 2 - 4, 2010 | RTW Ep.146 - YouTube
( whole video till end )

President Obama even, visited there, when he was going to Jordan . Which i think is where its located now in their boarders .

There have been even more wonderful finds, as great or greater then this. Its just the media is too busy teaching people God don't exist. And people believe what they are told by, unfortunately, too many deceivers at this point, Who can find the truth ?

 

[posthuman]

before the 19th century 're-discovery' critics of the bible often claimed there was no such place as Ninevah. if you fancy a visit to Mosul, Iraq, you can walk the streets of Ninevah today.

here's an article showing how the prophecies of the book of Nahum show an intimate knowledge of Assyrian customs, and how archaeological study of the site has reinforced the veracity of what is recorded in the scripture:

Nahum, Nineveh and Those Nasty Assyrians

 

[nathan3]

Cuneiform tablet with part of the Babylonian Chronicle (616-609 BC) --->

The fall of Nineveh, capital of the Assyrian Empire

https://www.britishmuseum.org/explo...t_objects/me/c/cuneiform_fall_of_nineveh.aspx

 

[Tintin]

I didn't post it because of the controversy, but what makes you say that?

The fact that they've all either been found to be hoaxes or wishful thinking. Answers in Genesis and Creation Ministries International have articles telling Christians not to use arguments about Noah's Ark being found on non-believers.

 

[dcontroversal]

There are many proofs to be found in scripture and in history such as

1. The predicted destruction of the Assyrian capitol Nineveh...it was such a thorough destruction that Alexander the Great marched his armies across it and didn't even know that it was there.

 

[Agricola]

Have you seen Jay Smith doing his British Museum tour? His tours and lectures show how events in the Bible are backed up by archaeology, most of which is in the British Museum. Many events, people and locations once thought to be made up in the Bible are now proved fact.

Someone actully recorded one of these tours and posted them on youtube, all be it in 20+ videos lasting a few mins, the audio isnt brilliant but you can still hear what is being said.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7048B38E18B1D8EC[/video]

 

[Agricola]

One of my favourites is proving that Belshazzar was real and was actully ruling over Babylon at the time, historians always thought the Bible was nonsense for having this written in Daniel, as there was no mention of Belshazzar and everyone knew that Nabonidus was the King.

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[video=youtube;VH0fHC8Zcqo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0fHC8Zcqo[/video]

 

[Tintin]

Have you seen Jay Smith doing his British Museum tour? His tours and lectures show how events in the Bible are backed up by archaeology, most of which is in the British Museum. Many events, people and locations once thought to be made up in the Bible are now proved fact.

Someone actully recorded one of these tours and posted them on youtube, all be it in 20+ videos lasting a few mins, the audio isnt brilliant but you can still hear what is being said.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7048B38E18B1D8EC[/video]

Excellent! The audio was quite poor at times but I've read about there being a Christian book about this museum exhibit. Is that true? I watched the whole thing just now. Thanks for sharing.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

One of my favourites is proving that Belshazzar was real and was actully ruling over Babylon at the time, historians always thought the Bible was nonsense for having this written in Daniel, as there was no mention of Belshazzar and everyone knew that Nabonidus was the King.


[video=youtube;VH0fHC8Zcqo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0fHC8Zcqo[/video]

Wow this is an amazing find indeed. I had not seen this yet. To be honest I have stumbled on the skeptics claim of Daniel being written after the fact of his prophecy about Alexander before. It was plausible though I always felt like Daniel had to have been before that time even if you go by the standard of Herodotus whom was writing about something before his time anyways which would naturally put Daniel as older.

Either way though this video is a great example of how archaeology can be useful. That indeed proves many excellent points outlined in the video and also puts to rest once and for all some innocent skepticism thus making the possibility of knowing more about God easier. I like especially how the guy points out that Daniel prophesied about Christ well in advanced. Lol, even playing by the skeptic point of view and saying people forged Daniel in the 2nd Century BC that still means those people gave many prophecies about Jesus 200 years in advance. Lol not sure if the Babylonian events happened in 600 BC as some claim, and I have seen older dates, but either way it always seemed to me rather archaeology is great for proving what happened, however when it happened is often a greater mystery. Cool thing with archaeology with the Bible too because it proves all this stuff in the Bible at least confirmably happened and what isn't confirmed is at least well inside the realm of possibilities, and now and then they put some of those possibilities into the confirmable column like with the existence of Belshazaar and thus by extension proving Book of Daniel had knowledge not even Herodotus the current official historian did not possess, thus meaning The Book of Daniel itself predates Herodotus and also Daniel himself had to have existed to have such knowledge and of course the prophecies given to him by God so far have a pretty stunning track record.

 

[RedTent]

All of this is turning much of our church upside down. I found a man who had spent eight years in the Far East, and is teaching OT based on what is now known about the culture of the Hebrews and surrounding nations to explain the OT. In each chapter he teaches from, this man brings in the NT, how the NT takes what God shows of Himself in the OT, and how that is fulfilled in the NT, how it is developed. This man is fascinating!! When I started studying under this man our pastor with a doctorate in theology, even, did his best to get me to not study this. Dr. Virgil was sure that it was going back to what he felt was the old way, that I must keep my mind only on the new. Now, there is a class on archaeology in our church!

There is so much that what our scholars have learned that explains the new covenant. For instance, what salt meant in ancient times, and why Christ referred to it. What the explanation is of the woman caught in adultery, what in the OT explains Christ's response. Or an explanation of Nimrod, and why Sunday worship was started.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

I had not seen this, but I remember now reading about this in an article at some point. I'm confident this video shows a much better account of it than I read because it didn't stick in my brain like this did. That's remarkable. Thanks for this. I'll be watching them soon.

Wow this is an amazing find indeed. I had not seen this yet. To be honest I have stumbled on the skeptics claim of Daniel being written after the fact of his prophecy about Alexander before. It was plausible though I always felt like Daniel had to have been before that time even if you go by the standard of Herodotus whom was writing about something before his time anyways which would naturally put Daniel as older.

Either way though this video is a great example of how archaeology can be useful. That indeed proves many excellent points outlined in the video and also puts to rest once and for all some innocent skepticism thus making the possibility of knowing more about God easier. I like especially how the guy points out that Daniel prophesied about Christ well in advanced. Lol, even playing by the skeptic point of view and saying people forged Daniel in the 2nd Century BC that still means those people gave many prophecies about Jesus 200 years in advance. Lol not sure if the Babylonian events happened in 600 BC as some claim, and I have seen older dates, but either way it always seemed to me rather archaeology is great for proving what happened, however when it happened is often a greater mystery. Cool thing with archaeology with the Bible too because it proves all this stuff in the Bible at least confirmably happened and what isn't confirmed is at least well inside the realm of possibilities, and now and then they put some of those possibilities into the confirmable column like with the existence of Belshazaar and thus by extension proving Book of Daniel had knowledge not even Herodotus the current official historian did not possess, thus meaning The Book of Daniel itself predates Herodotus and also Daniel himself had to have existed to have such knowledge and of course the prophecies given to him by God so far have a pretty stunning track record.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

Interesting. I don't generally try to convince non-believers of anything. I do occasionally step up and defend the Bible, but I'm generally on the side of confronting untruths with truths, or shining the light into the darkness.

The only account of the finding of the Ark I have found at all credible is the location in Turkey. Noah-index My reasons for that are many, not the least of which that I did a study on earthquakes and their timing, and determined that there was an abnormally large earthquake in Russia which, of course shook Turkey, and that's the first time the locals recalled seeing the boat shape in the ground. That was in 1948, which we all know that date. 1948: Turkmenistan - Top 10 Deadliest Earthquakes - TIME There are inconsistencies there, and I would need those to be resolved to be convinced, but the information that we do have is intriguing, to say the least.

Earthquakes are significant and happened on very important days, like the crucifixion. I was actually studying something else completely when that came to my attention. If you know of an important date in Israel's history, and you plug it in, you might find there was a large earthquake somewhere interesting.

The fact that they've all either been found to be hoaxes or wishful thinking. Answers in Genesis and Creation Ministries International have articles telling Christians not to use arguments about Noah's Ark being found on non-believers.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

I agree with you about the media. I have decided that we must become our own media, and educate one another on what's happening.

Thanks for this. I had not realized the extent of the prophecies around Petra. In fact, I had not realized that Petra was even mentioned in the bible until a few years ago. I'll be spending some time studying this.

Here is a video of the place. -> Wadi Musa and Petra, Jordan | Nov 2 - 4, 2010 | RTW Ep.146 - YouTube
( whole video till end )

President Obama even, visited there, when he was going to Jordan . Which i think is where its located now in their boarders .

There have been even more wonderful finds, as great or greater then this. Its just the media is too busy teaching people God don't exist. And people believe what they are told by, unfortunately, too many deceivers at this point, Who can find the truth ?

 

[Tintin]

The only one you found credible was located in Turkey? I'm pretty sure that's where all of the claims have come from.

 

[nathan3]

I agree with you about the media. I have decided that we must become our own media, and educate one another on what's happening.

Thanks for this. I had not realized the extent of the prophecies around Petra. In fact, I had not realized that Petra was even mentioned in the bible until a few years ago. I'll be spending some time studying this.

It is documented. People have been conditioned to accept what they are told without question. If they saw the facts, did their home worked and allowed themselves what the world dosen't that is "think". then God's word would not be so strange to the people that profess to be followers of Christ .

People can call themselves Christians, but if they know nothing about what God taught them, then they'll just end up a tool used by the Satan himself; used to stand against God's Truth.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

No there have been several. One was directly on Mt. Ararat, another in the southern part of the country. I'm not going to dig them all up.

The evidence toward this one being the "true ark" is pretty astounding, when you read into it. The only thing that stops me is the metal that was found. Noah would not have likely had refined metal. If that can be reconciled, I can't see any other reason this wouldn't be the place. What specific objections do you have?

The only one you found credible was located in Turkey? I'm pretty sure that's where all of the claims have come from.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

Yes, I know what you are telling me is true. I have a fairly active presence on a couple of websites, and they are largely atheist populated. Most of them haven't seen any of this information, and wouldn't know where to begin to look. Other than confront them with their lies and untruths about the word, I mostly just despair. Most of them have never actually read the bible, and know what they know about it from the media, which is dead set on humanism and cannot consider a supernatural being. Yet based on this information, the non-believers make their decisions about what to believe.

The book of Daniel says that all of these things would be hidden until the time of the end. I believe that we have not been able to find these things for good reason. They were being kept hidden. Our father is opening his hand and revealing these truths for anyone who has eyes to see them. The interwebs are also helpful toward this pursuit. Never before has there been a time where people across the world could convey knowledge and conversation in the push of a single button. It's a beautiful thing.

It is documented. People have been conditioned to accept what they are told without question. If they saw the facts, did their home worked and allowed themselves what the world dosen't that is "think". then God's word would not be so strange to the people that profess to be followers of Christ .

People can call themselves Christians, but if they know nothing about what God taught them, then they'll just end up a tool used by the Satan himself; used to stand against God's Truth.

 

[shrimp]

I think this is my new favorite thread! I love Archaeology as well and Biblical finds especially grab my attention. I wish there was a way to make it big. Or "go viral" as some say.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

On the subject of Nineveh, I am amazed at what I didn't know about it. Other than the story of Jonah, I was pretty much clueless on it. I saw a documentary about fulfilled prophecy. I want to say it was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu7iM7uZDSc (sorry, I can't find one continuous play of this.) It spoke of Tyre, and Neneveh, and one other city, I want to say Edom. (You know you are studying too much when you can't remember the details anymore. ) I do remember this one was worth the watch, so if you've got an hour....

The dialogue is a little simplistic, but I can see it's geared toward the non-believer. The quality of this one is so so, but if you find another one, I'd love to have the link.

RedTent--I agree so much that the revelations of archaeology are forcing the church to take a closer look. I think any believer worth his/her salt should be taking a closer look, but especially the non-believer. I believe that every believer should be praying for the ears to hear and the eyes to see at this juncture in time. Never before has all the information in the world been available at the touch of a finger. I am impatient with the non-believer, yes, but it is the believer that has buried their talent in the dirt and made no effort to invest it that breaks my heart. We are all given one talent to invest, not bury.

I think it takes more faith to open your eyes and explore new ideas than it does to live in the safety of the fences we spiritually build for ourselves. I think I'm getting to a thought here, so bear with me. When faced with archaeological truths that seem contrary to the word, or ideals that seem contrary to mainstream belief, those who truly walk in faith will pray for discernment. They will reach out to that thought or idea, looking for the sign from above that it is or is not accurate or not biblical. The faith part is in believing that the Father has arms strong enough to protect you from harm and a light bright enough to show you the path. Hiding inside the limits of what you've been shown to believe takes no courage, and no accountability, for one's own learning process. It does not invest the talent. Actively seeking to learn the details of what's behind the Bible, to find each new revelation that his word is TRUE! HalleluYah, HalleluYah, he is risen, Yeshua, Yah's Salvation, has risen, and we can all be free of the death penalty of sin!

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Just wanted to bring back up this series that Agricola showed us. I just finished watching all the parts and trully this is one of the most amazing little series I have ever seen. Much of it I all ready knew to be true just simply from studying history. What's really cool about this little series is that not only does it add more supporting stuff for what we all ready know to be true, but also there are some new finds in here that answer some legit questions people have had. For example the skepticism on Daniel as I mentioned now thanks to that tiny little artifact that names Belshazaar confirms Book of Daniel to be impossible to have forged in 2nd Century BC thus meaning it must be older. Other cool things in the series is confirmation of Ninevah, Sennacherib ruling over Assyria, and the existence of Hittites (this is one I really liked in the series because the absence of the Hitttes has always been one of the best skeptic arguments and I personally had not seen direct evidence for them before and lo and behold they have found them and now the Hittites are confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt!)

What makes this all more important and amazing of a series is that all these artifacts are on display in the British History Museum. This is important because the British History Museum is one of the foremost active Atheistic bodies in the world (Darwinist Atheism specifically.) The reason why this detail is important is it takes away the argument that Creationists/Bible Believers/Christians could have tainted the evidence. This in fact gives even more weight to the Bible and to the finds themselves because some of the biggest intellectual enemies of The Bible themselves have irrefutable proof that the Bible is stunningly accurate beyond all existing ancient texts.

I also liked the Host/tour guide that is explaining things. I all ready can tell having studied history and religions just to a minor degree that this man is extremely knowledgeable.

Here is the first part of the same series Agricola posted (much kudos to our brother Agricola, this trully is amazing thank you so much for sharing this you totally made my day with this posting.) I highly recommend watching the whole thing, but as it is divided into short parts even just browsing through a few of the parts is very enlightening. This part specifically deals with proof that Jehu existed.

Part 1 of 23, Jay Smith British Museum Tour - YouTube
[video=youtube;zEKoU1IbGjM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEKoU1IbGjM[/video]