Are catholics Christian?

[homwardbound]

Ok. They were worshipping the golden calf itself. But the ones kneeling in front of the statue of Mary are adoring what that statue represents, not the actual shaped concrete. Just like when we kneel in front of a wooden cross or a statue of Christ, we are showing reverence to what it represents, which is Christ, not the statue. Why do people keep getting this fact mixed up? It's really very simple for the logically minded. People keep comparing these two totally different acts, wrongfully. If I was told or taught to worship the concrete, I would leave the Catholic Church. Trust me.

Trust God and God alone in your new heart that God gave us through belief in God, doing for us what none of us could or ever can do for self ever. Revealed in the walk of Christ under Law, before the cross happened, in if your hand, foot and or eye sin, cut it off, better for part of you to go to heaven than all of you go to hell.
And WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my_____________________________ has been cut off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! under Law WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how long before I will be a Torso!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now under the new Covenant of promise, which truly is not new, actually fulfilled in Christ we are, those that believe made righteous as in Faith in God as Abraham and Christ is in the order of Melchizadek
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

We are freed to beleive4 and Love as God does in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
It is by this Love that causes one to believe God and thank God in thanksgiving and praises as Kong David did
Psalm 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Whether one goes to Church or not. This is an every day function in thanking God

 

[homwardbound]

Good question. If only it was answered truthfully!

one will be judged by nothing except motive, their purpose in what they do or not do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By God and God alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So please let us all get our hearts right and seek the heart transplant of Love from God through the cross of Christ alone

 

[watcher2013]

Do not know what you are looking for, but I did answer it.
Being born again, my old self is dead and am alive in God by God by the resurrected Christ period.
Know just as the apostles
Acts 17:28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Do you knelt down, bow dow to a statue of (man or woman, or what catholics called statue of mary, Madonna), while you are worshipping your God?

 

[homwardbound]

The question was addressed to me, so I answer no, because as far as I can remember I never bought or carry a cross.
Maybe during my younger years I played with it.

Read exodus 32:4.
who brought the Israelites out of Egypt? God right.
when did they made the calf? after they were brought out of the land of Egypt.
They think of God and yet they revere the calf.
the same way you think of God and a statue is in front of you.

no man knows the true intention, motive of another except God, and God alone, please refrain from accusing others and glorying in self as it appears that you are, only you know what is truth in you is. Ask God, and know how deep God love you please, just as much as the whole world God does love us all shown by the cross.
Thanks in Love of God to you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[homwardbound]

If you really think I changed the meaning, read the whole chapter:
here's verse 5 and 6.
Exo32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built analtar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast tothe LORD.

Feast to the Lord, not to the calf.

Exo 32:6 And theyrose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peaceofferings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

It just not wrong a catholic, but all idolatries. Muslims, Hindus, Budhist etc.

The same way, they have feast to the ......and offered burnt offerings and brought peace offering ....

And Christ died for all to bring all to Father through him. We are have received the ministry of:
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[homwardbound]

Catechism of the Catholic Church

965 After her Son’s Ascension, Mary “aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers.”506 In her association with the apostles and several women, “we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation.”507 ...also in her Assumption

Viva México hermana Jane Doe!

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Is anyone above what Christ did besides Father?

 

[homwardbound]

PHEWWW!! What a long day! Boy, am I glad that's over lol.....
Ok, brother, this is what I meant. First I'll post that WHOLE of that passage up for us to see:

The Gold Calf

32 Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”
2 And Aaron said to them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”
5 So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow is a feast to the Lord.” 6 Then they rose early on the next day, offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
7 And the Lord said to Moses, “Go, get down! For your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!’”

You see, brother, you chose the parts in red, leaving out the parts in blue that clearly show that the molded calf was a god totally separate to the Almighty God! A totally different god altogether. They said themselves in vs. 3 that this (the calf) was now their god that brought them out of Egypt, totally relieving the Almighty One True God of this credit.
Also in vs. 1, they asked Aaron to make them gods. Not to show them God, or to lead them to God, or to make them a resemblance of God. No, they asked Aaron to make them gods. Obviously new gods because they said that they don't know what has become of Moses, and they thought that the True God has abandoned them. So they were asking for a replacement.

So, now, you were right to say that we, Catholics, THINK OF GOD when the statue is in front of us. The Isrealites did not do this. The golden calf WAS their god. Do you see what I meant when I said you left out the important parts and changed the meaning of that particular chapter? It is SO OBVIOUS that they were worshipping the actual calf, just as it is SO OBVIOUS that we Catholics DO NOT worship the statue.

P.S- Even God told moses that the Isrealites worshipped and sacrificed TO THE CALF!!! God was upset that they worshipped a DIFFERENT god

Thanks, well put as to the intention, which is what we all will be judged by from God. again thanks to what you see fromk your heart and I see you there teaching as God leads you.

 

[homwardbound]

Not if you are die hard Roman Catholic, if so your allegiance is to the Pope as Christ replacement on Earth. That is not the way that Christ taught.

Kerry may I please ask? Are you a die hard any denomination or non-denomination follower? And if you are or just attend do you learn as you go from God being your teacher or just from man? Just curious, for I see truth written in many of your posts and learn from what is posted

 

[Jeshuvan]

Hi,Yes is the answer 2 your question.Catholics can be born again believers and follow a truly committed sold out relationship with Christ, instead of religious theories and teaching of that religion.I have many friends who r Messianic Jews and live 4 Jesus Christ.Both of which know that Jesus is God and the only way unto salvation.Now I also know many who follow religions and r not born again believers,not Christians or saved.GBU Jeshuvan.

 

[homwardbound]

"This is your god, Oh Israel that brought you out of the land of Egypt".
Indeed Moses was out they think they abandoned them, they made a calf to represent the God who brought them out of the land of egypt.

1. They know that the God of moses did bring them out of the land of egypt.
2. The calf was made after they come out.
3. For sure the calf was not there when the God of moses brought them out of the land of egypt.
4. It was when they were not sure were Moses were gone that they made a calf to represent the God who brought them out of the land of egypt.
Thus "this is your gods, oh Israel that brought you out of the land of egypt".

"Obviously new gods because they said that they don't know what has become of Moses, and they thought that the True God has abandoned them. So they were asking for a replacement"

Note: The calf has not done anything yet, but it represent/ the God who brought them out of the land of egypt.

this be your gods that brought you out of the land of egypt.

We cannot replace God, Its not like a job that you can replace Him. (He was, and is and forever be God) , however you can choose to believe Him as the God who does not dwell in things made by hands or you can look for images (calf, man, woman, snake, etc) to represents your gods.

Have a great day.

And as I have seen the posts from 7seven7, he has made this what you say as clear to you that he has no other God before him. But for some reason you are not seeing this? Why?

 

[watcher2013]

no man knows the true intention, motive of another except God, and God alone, please refrain from accusing others and glorying in self as it appears that you are, only you know what is truth in you is. Ask God, and know how deep God love you please, just as much as the whole world God does love us all shown by the cross.
Thanks in Love of God to you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You asked and I answer, Do I glorify myself for not to have bought a cross, definitely not.
You accused me of glorifying myself...in what way?
I accused others??
we are discussing and comparing Catholics vs. Christian of the Bible...
we have defined Christian as per the bible...when the bible evidently shows that Catholicism is related to idolatry.... I accused others???
the Bible accused Idolatry...and If you think Catholicism falls on that, then it falls... If not...its not..

By the way, the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who dwell not in hands definitely love me, Because this God whom I worship who dwell not in hands sent his only Son Jesus...

 

[homwardbound]

You are absolutely right. We cannot replace God, and we understand that. They, the Isrealites, obviously didn't understand that and looked to replace Him, which is why He was upset. They weren't looking for something to represent God. They built themselves a god.
Ok, let's look at it from your perspective. They built this calf, you say, to represent God. So they, not knowing who God really is, decided to build this golden calf and call it God. Right? So this became "God". They turned the real God into this golden calf. "They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!’”
They worshipped IT and sacrificed to IT and said THIS IS YOUR GOD! We Catholics DON'T worship the concrete statues or sacrifice to them, and we don't call them our God. No matter which way you interpret this bit of Scripture, it does not fit your accusations against the Catholic Church on idol worship. Had that golden calf fallen and broken, the Isrealites would've thought it was the end of the world. When our statues or images or whatever fall and break, we throw them away and buy another one. Can you not see my point?

Flesh over Spirit of God is very stubborn to love as God does

 

[secularhermit]

@Watcher "There are many versions of catholics now, like couples for Christ, singles for Christ, but are they really Christians of the bible?"

There are many BIBLE Versions... What´s the TRUE BIBLE?

"...are they really Christians of the bible?"

i hated being raised in a cultue that think of ITSELF as Christan, no matter it was Catholic, no matter I tried to live as evangelical. My concernd on tis attack to ONLY ONE of the many denominations is that ALL lack wisdom, since we are called TO FOLLOW JESUS, rather than a bias, a denominational tendency.

In my "favor" I could say I accepted Christ by brothers who worked for Team Expansion.These were fron the Churches of Christ or Christian Churches, but ALL WERE WORKING FOR GOD in Jesus fields. Am I saved by using instruments while worshipping with music? Does God need my music to pay me attention ot MY OBEDIENCE, instead?

Former and real Christians WEWRE JEWS and jewsh people. Can´t you read it in the Bible? I will not be saved by circumcision or by being baptized INTO waters, but Baptized in the SPIRIT and circumcized by His Holy Spirit. If all of you like to blaspheme the name of Christ in this idle discussion, I´d little to honor God in the name of His son -His Son- and I never were trinitarian while spending 7 years of my life while forced to attend primary school with Catholic people: I was nominally Catholic, but it was because I was aised in the wrong Church, and in the wrong doctrine. The Right Chrisch is that JESUS is about to pick and take away.

I beg you to read Jesus´ teaching.His attack was against RELIGION and false teachings. And I pray you, my brothers, be open to the world how comes to Jesus leaving behind men´s teaching.

I love those who will turn to God, in Jesus´name.

 

[watcher2013]

And as I have seen the posts from 7seven7, he has made this what you say as clear to you that he has no other God before him. But for some reason you are not seeing this? Why?

No other God before him? by his own logic, catholics adore what the statues represents (was adoration a form of worship) and was mary a God to be worship?

 

[homwardbound]

C'mon Roger. Lets not get mixed up with just your average picture or statue and the statue that has had a miracle occur on it. But just because that statue has had a miracle occur with it, STILL doesn't mean we call it our God!! And STILL leads us to worship the One and True God!! If you don't believe those miracles, then that's up to you. I don't blame you. Faith is a hard thing to practice. What about all those Catholics that have been cured from deadly sicknesses and claim that they were visited by Christ in their sleep? I suppose you don't believe them either because they were Catholic? Brother, seriously, people have to stop looking for a way to accuse the Catholic Church in everything that happens. There is a defense for every one of your accusations. Just search for it, instead of stopping at pointing fingers. Peace.

Not written to you in particular, actually to us all, me. Thanks
God is a God of Love, all other things shall pass away but love God's type, goes on forever. This is the more excellent way that Paul is talking about at the end of 1 Cor. 12 and end of 1 Cor. 13. but please read it as a whole and see what does go on forever and mature in Christ to the Love of God through Christ to me and all who are willing to see truth and be set free from the flesh ways of condemnation

 

[homwardbound]

Do you knelt down, bow dow to a statue of (man or woman, or what catholics called statue of mary, Madonna), while you are worshipping your God?

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is the point, because I do not am I to rail against anyone that does and accuse them, and not love them God's way of Love, best described here
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:4-13[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; [SUP]5 [/SUP]does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; [SUP]6 [/SUP]does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP]bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Or do you not think God loves us all?

 

[jandian]

Amazing! in all the arguments that happen in this environment. One thing is clear..... we can find scripture for anything we prefer to believe. SMH

 

[homwardbound]

Hi,Yes is the answer 2 your question.Catholics can be born again believers and follow a truly committed sold out relationship with Christ, instead of religious theories and teaching of that religion.I have many friends who r Messianic Jews and live 4 Jesus Christ.Both of which know that Jesus is God and the only way unto salvation.Now I also know many who follow religions and r not born again believers,not Christians or saved.GBU Jeshuvan.

And what is it that brings us to Christ, condemnation or the Love of Christ at the cross?
Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Flesh is so blind and self righteous? not saying anyone here is or you in particular, just food for thought here is all.

 

[watcher2013]

@Watcher "There are many versions of catholics now, like couples for Christ, singles for Christ, but are they really Christians of the bible?"

There are many BIBLE Versions... What´s the TRUE BIBLE?

"...are they really Christians of the bible?"

i hated being raised in a cultue that think of ITSELF as Christan, no matter it was Catholic, no matter I tried to live as evangelical. My concernd on tis attack to ONLY ONE of the many denominations is that ALL lack wisdom, since we are called TO FOLLOW JESUS, rather than a bias, a denominational tendency.

In my "favor" I could say I accepted Christ by brothers who worked for Team Expansion.These were fron the Churches of Christ or Christian Churches, but ALL WERE WORKING FOR GOD in Jesus fields. Am I saved by using instruments while worshipping with music? Does God need my music to pay me attention ot MY OBEDIENCE, instead?

Former and real Christians WEWRE JEWS and jewsh people. Can´t you read it in the Bible? I will not be saved by circumcision or by being baptized INTO waters, but Baptized in the SPIRIT and circumcized by His Holy Spirit. If all of you like to blaspheme the name of Christ in this idle discussion, I´d little to honor God in the name of His son -His Son- and I never were trinitarian while spending 7 years of my life while forced to attend primary school with Catholic people: I was nominally Catholic, but it was because I was aised in the wrong Church, and in the wrong doctrine. The Right Chrisch is that JESUS is about to pick and take away.

I beg you to read Jesus´ teaching.His attack was against RELIGION and false teachings. And I pray you, my brothers, be open to the world how comes to Jesus leaving behind men´s teaching.

I love those who will turn to God, in Jesus´name.

I am not attacking a specific person.... read my posts, we are discussing about catholics vs Christian... then comparing Israelites Idolatries to Catholicism...

asking homwardbound if he bow down or knelt before the statue is not an attacked, I just wanted to know if he does that.

Whatever versions of the bible.
It is a discussion...
shall I ask, are muslims Christians, or are hindus Christian, or are budhist Christians? read my previous posts as to the definition of Christian in the bible...

Do you think, Catholicism is a wrong doctrine?

 

[homwardbound]

You asked and I answer, Do I glorify myself for not to have bought a cross, definitely not.
You accused me of glorifying myself...in what way?
I accused others??
we are discussing and comparing Catholics vs. Christian of the Bible...
we have defined Christian as per the bible...when the bible evidently shows that Catholicism is related to idolatry.... I accused others???
the Bible accused Idolatry...and If you think Catholicism falls on that, then it falls... If not...its not..

By the way, the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who dwell not in hands definitely love me, Because this God whom I worship who dwell not in hands sent his only Son Jesus...

And others claim the same and it is God that knows who are his and who are not. This makes the choice an individual one, and we all are free to be in God's love if we believe. Again you, me or anyone else does not know the true intentions of another. So I therefore do not condemn, as God chose not to condemn me. Are you listening, not accusing you of doing this only you know the truth here and are the only one accountable to it between God and you period
All in God's love to you Not accusing, I do not have the right, I only have the ministry of reconciliation given to me by God through the Son, Jesus Christ