Are catholics Christian?

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Lol. Good one. I don't think anyone whose walking with Christ will be upset though.

Us Protestants pick up a lot of wrong information about Catholicism as we grow up. You see me correcting some of it in my posts though I'm just one person who has to work and can't possibly respond to every post stuffed full of bad information.

A thread like this can be a very negative bully thread where Protestants come to bully "their enemy" (e.g. Catholics) with a lot of erroneous misinformation and false assertions. There is nothing Christian about that. And when they do it to a Catholic that has a personal relationship with Christ after being "born again" and whom is "in Christ" with them (if they truly are themselves "in Christ") then they place Jesus back on the road of Damascus saying to them "Why do you persecute me."

A thread like this can be an opportunity for Protestants to explore Catholicism and visa versa to gain an accurate and genuine understanding of each other's history, doctrine, people, etc...

Protestants often forget that we started as one. We once were the same thing in both the localized and universal sense.

Not so today, of course. However, those of us who are "in Christ," whether Catholic or Protestant, are one in the universal sense still.

A thread like this can be an opportunity to come to a genuine understanding of Catholicism which benefits those Catholics who have not experienced the spiritual rebirth that Jesus speaks of in Matthew 3 as they finally find it as well as an opportunity for Protestants to correct their own misunderstandings regarding Catholicism and make suggestions to Catholics about some of the problems that have occurred over time and discuss their theological perspective with them. Catholics can benefit from this as well.

Maybe we'll see a thread on CC titled 'Are Protestants Christians'? Lol ;)

I was soooooo tempted ;)
 
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I hope this dosent offend anyone, its not my intent...

I find this to be one of the most unbelievable issues in Christendom...I left the Catholic church in my early teens and chose a life that revolved around crime, violence, and greed. Later in life I found myself very ill with the Bible being the only thing that made my fears and illness bearable, it changed me from a thug to a man in Christ...Since then I have studied none stop for the last 14 years or so...When my body came back around and I was given a second chance, and as soon as I could get up and around again, I pointed myself to the nearest church I could find, and was dumb founded buy the incredible arrogance and judgmental atmosphere that seemed to prevail in most of the churches I attended on my search for one I could call home...It seems the very spirit of the reformation is still alive and thriving in our churches, both Protestant and Catholic a like...THIS BLOWS MY MIND...For any group of men and woman to think they are in the position to judge other Christians, and the path they choose to take toward Christ, in my mind, is totally unbelievable...

Im pretty much a student of John Pipers, and when I hear older sermons placing the Reformed doctrine in a higher position then Catholic doctrine, Im really stunned...Especially since any pastor/preacher worth their salt has studies St Thomas, and or St Francis, or Padre Pio, and so on, and the fact that the trinity we all embrace was a product of Catholic Doctrine, how then can we be so cold toward them...Christianity is an evolving thing, that because of mans nature to step up on soap boxes, and control minds for his own interests, God has to prompt us forward very slowly...I love the protestant saints like Jonathan Edward's, and also feel the reformation has ushered in a wonderful breath of fresh air from the very breath of Christ Himself, but their is almost 2000 years of saints in the Greek Orthodox, and Catholic Churches that have a endless amount of Holy Spirit, God Centered, lit up, Powerful, paths pointed directly toward Christ. And their experience with dealing with Satan head on cant be disputed...

We protestants seem to think (because the target on the Catholic churches back is so huge), that the news reports of abuses are something that Catholics tolerate, or that we protestants dont have the same thing going on in our churches... if you took all the Protestant, evangelistic, none denominational churches and put them all under one entity like the catholic church, I wonder what skeletons you then find in our closets, after placing the same huge target on our backs that they have on theirs...For me, as a Protestant follower of Christ, to not allow myself the privilege of studying the Catholic Monks in depth, and learn from them, would be a loss I cant even imagine...The wealth of Holy Spirit driven men and woman in the Catholic Church is overwhelming if we take the time to investigate instead of react to our peers and their antiquated paradigms of arrogance...

Their was a wise man that said "Their is no greater ignorance, then contempt prior to investigation"

Again no offence intended toward anyone...Peace
 
Hello everyone,

Base on what the Bible says, Christians are the follower of God. Follows all commandments and teachings. (Matthew 28:20)
If the Catholic are considered christians, why are the priest calling as Father? Why are they have an idolatry? Why are they eating frozen blood?
If you are doing all these things, you are abiding the law of God and against the teachings of Christ.

On the other hand, there are 2 kinds of Judging:
1: Wrong judging which used the standard of human judgement
2: Right judging which used the standard of God.

In Matthew 7:1-5 this is a kind of wrong judgement. Judging using measurement.
In John 7:24 - this is a right judgement. Judge righteous judgement.

When you are judging a person or group of person using the word of God, it is not wrong to judge them because you are only saying the truth. Saying or telling the truth is not wrong...

Please also read this verse: Titus 1:16 (They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient.)
God says in exodus that making idols are abomination to God. If the catholics are obedient to God then why they are still making idols? Why are they still listening to heresy? Why are they still eating frozen bloods?

Think it first before you place your comment. And please dont use our own thinking, use what is said in the Bible.


If you have more questions, please feel free to email me:
[email protected]

Thanks and God Bless.
 
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Originally Posted by letti GOD BLESS all those who truly love and follow Christ regardless of what faction of the christian faith they belong to,also my apologies to anybody who felt offended.
Loving Jesus more than we love ourselves (and each other) is the nature of Christianity, people get offended sometimes.

2 Cor 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 5 We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 6 being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete.

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Matt 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. (ESV)

The Apostle Paul offended an entire city.

Acts 21:27 When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place. Moreover, he even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.” 29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple. 30 Then all the city was stirred up, and the people ran together. They seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates were shut. 31 And as they were seeking to kill him, word came to the tribune of the cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion.

I love the verse you verses you quoted " We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 6 being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete."

I love the fact is starts out with "we", makes flesh feel so good don't it? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and ends with when "our" obedience is complete"

Guess what I know your obedience Is not complete along with all others here in this world. Humbled yet, I am throwing any self righteousness away that was just exposed, Thank you lord for the exposure, and Praus for this exposure to truth in just trusting God to do what God needs to do to straighten me out.
Thanks
 
Pope kisses the Qu'ran after an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq, May 14, 1999.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Vatican City: Liguori Publications, 1994) says this: The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims.

Did Jesus teach religious plurality?
 
I hope this dosent offend anyone, its not my intent...

I find this to be one of the most unbelievable issues in Christendom...I left the Catholic church in my early teens and chose a life that revolved around crime, violence, and greed. Later in life I found myself very ill with the Bible being the only thing that made my fears and illness bearable, it changed me from a thug to a man in Christ...Since then I have studied none stop for the last 14 years or so...When my body came back around and I was given a second chance, and as soon as I could get up and around again, I pointed myself to the nearest church I could find, and was dumb founded buy the incredible arrogance and judgmental atmosphere that seemed to prevail in most of the churches I attended on my search for one I could call home...It seems the very spirit of the reformation is still alive and thriving in our churches, both Protestant and Catholic a like...THIS BLOWS MY MIND...For any group of men and woman to think they are in the position to judge other Christians, and the path they choose to take toward Christ, in my mind, is totally unbelievable...

Im pretty much a student of John Pipers, and when I hear older sermons placing the Reformed doctrine in a higher position then Catholic doctrine, Im really stunned...Especially since any pastor/preacher worth their salt has studies St Thomas, and or St Francis, or Padre Pio, and so on, and the fact that the trinity we all embrace was a product of Catholic Doctrine, how then can we be so cold toward them...Christianity is an evolving thing, that because of mans nature to step up on soap boxes, and control minds for his own interests, God has to prompt us forward very slowly...I love the protestant saints like Jonathan Edward's, and also feel the reformation has ushered in a wonderful breath of fresh air from the very breath of Christ Himself, but their is almost 2000 years of saints in the Greek Orthodox, and Catholic Churches that have a endless amount of Holy Spirit, God Centered, lit up, Powerful, paths pointed directly toward Christ. And their experience with dealing with Satan head on cant be disputed...

We protestants seem to think (because the target on the Catholic churches back is so huge), that the news reports of abuses are something that Catholics tolerate, or that we protestants dont have the same thing going on in our churches... if you took all the Protestant, evangelistic, none denominational churches and put them all under one entity like the catholic church, I wonder what skeletons you then find in our closets, after placing the same huge target on our backs that they have on theirs...For me, as a Protestant follower of Christ, to not allow myself the privilege of studying the Catholic Monks in depth, and learn from them, would be a loss I cant even imagine...The wealth of Holy Spirit driven men and woman in the Catholic Church is overwhelming if we take the time to investigate instead of react to our peers and their antiquated paradigms of arrogance...

Their was a wise man that said "Their is no greater ignorance, then contempt prior to investigation"

Again no offence intended toward anyone...Peace
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH !!! What an awesome feeling when Christians walk hand in hand! You bring up a brilliant point, brother! Imagine we all started using the good stuff we gain from each other to our advantage in our search for God, instead of looking at the logs in each others' eyes! Again, WHAT AN AWESOME FEELING WHEN ALL US CHRISTIANS WALK AS A FAMILY!!!

Ya know, something I feel the Catholic Church is lacking is the gathering of youth, or anyone for that matter, for the sole purpose of singing praise to Christ! But that's ok, cz I go to get that with my brothers and sisters at Protestant Churches all the time. We are family as far as I'm concerned, and I get SO MUCH out of this love and acceptance that I give and recieve from my brother and sister Protestants.
 
Pope kisses the Qu'ran after an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq, May 14, 1999.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Vatican City: Liguori Publications, 1994) says this: The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims.

Did Jesus teach religious plurality?

Did Jesus teach "religion" at all?
 
Pope kisses the Qu'ran after an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq, May 14, 1999.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Vatican City: Liguori Publications, 1994) says this: The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims.

Did Jesus teach religious plurality?
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[SUP]330[/SUP]

842
The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .[SUP]331
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843
The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."
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​I just thought I'd better throw in the next two points from the catechism to give you a better understanding of where the one you singled out leads to. God bless.

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841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[SUP]330[/SUP]

842
The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .[SUP]331
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843
The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."
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​I just thought I'd better throw in the next two points from the catechism to give you a better understanding of where the one you singled out leads to. God bless.

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John_14:6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Thank you. I threw this one in to let you know where I am coming from.

The Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They also do not believe that
He was resurrected after His death.

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1Co 15:14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
1Co 15:15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.


Now, if the Muslims do not believe that Christ is the way to salvation, nor that He rose from the dead historically, then they cannot be saved. By endorsing this view, the Pope is basically endorsing that one billion people are going to hell, but that's OK. It is more important to have unity, and bow at the god of tolerance, than that people should be saved from hell. Is this the new love of tolerance? That we should love people into hell?

Now certainly the Protestant Reformers could be recognized as having much truth, in as much as they recognized the Bible as the inerrant word of God, and tried to live their lives in accordance with it. Did the popes also recognize this goodness and truthfulness, as they were murdering 50 million of them in the Inquisition?

 
The Catechism is a doctrinal document (note the introduction to every Catechism has an Apostolic Constitution called Fidei Depositum).

You need to normalize that quote you pulled with the rest of the document to understand Catholic doctrine. Read this: Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE 9 PARAGRAPH 3

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

Catholics teach that paragraph 841, which you quoted, is based on Christ coming not to damn but to save mankind. But they state in the catechism that there is no salvation outside of Christ and His Church. Us Protestant Christians baptized with the Triune baptismal formula qualify as saved in their view though they maintain we are in an imperfect relationship with the Catholic Church.

Look at the Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions Nostra Aetate: Declaration on the Relation of the Church to non-christian religions - Nostra Aetate

No recognition of Muhammad, the Qur'an, the correctness of what Muhammad taught, or any assertion that what "Muslims" believe today is necessarily identical with what Muhammad taught. It is recognized that there is some truth among Muslims, but there is no recognition given of any specific revelation except to the Jews and Christians.

So, as becomes clear in other Church documents, whatever truth there may be in what Muslims believe must come either from the universal truths that God has always made accessible to the minds and hearts of all people or else by transmission from the special divine revelation granted to the pre-Christian Jews and Christians.

Many Protestants wonder what the future holds; however. Given the Catholic Church's doctrine of "living teaching authority of the Catholic Church" (which the vast majority of Protestants do not accept instead holding to sola scriptura), will the Catholic Church at some point believe they have the authority to impart salvation to Muslims and do so in a manner reminiscent of how they teach they can impart salvation through their sacraments?

This would certainly be in direct opposition to scripture resulting in Muslims being deceived by the Catholic Church that they don't have to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ to be saved... that a Catholic Church decree is good enough and they can keep on being Muslims. But, as I said, that's just speculation at this point.


The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Vatican City: Liguori Publications, 1994) says this: The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims./QUOTE]
 
The three areas at the core of disagreement between Catholic and Protestant are Soteriology, Sola scriptura, and the Church.

These definitions reflect my Protestantism:

1. Soteriology: Literally, "the study of salvation." This topic within the corpus of systematic theology deals with the work of the triune God in bringing creation, and especially humans, to enjoy the divine purpose for existence. More specifically, "objective" soteriology speaks of the life, death, resurrection and exaltation of Christ in relation to human salvation and atonement. In addition, "subjective" soteriology (the work of the Spirit in the application of Christ’s salvation) deals with the process whereby individuals are brought to God’s saving goals. Topics generally covered include election, calling, regeneration, faith, repentance, conversion, justification and atonement, sanctification and glorification.

2. Sola scriptura: Latin for "Scripture only," the Reformation principle that Scripture—not Scripture plus church tradition—is the source of Christian revelation. As a result, Scripture is to rule as God’s word in the church, unencumbered by papal and ecclesiastical magisterium (dogma) and unrivaled by the supposed additional revelation that comes through church tradition.

3. The Church: A word generally used to translate the generic Greek word ekklēsia, which variously means "gathering," "assembly" or "congregation." However, the NT tends to use the word to refer to all those who by faith in the person and work of Christ as the fullest revelation of God have entered into a new relationship with God and with one another (1 Cor 1:9–10), who are the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit on earth (1 Cor 3:16) and who have been given the task of proclaiming the present and future reign of God in the world, both by the verbal declaration of the word of God (Acts 20:25–27) and by the administration of the ordinances or sacraments (Mt 28:19; 1 Cor 10:16–17). The church is founded on the past work of Christ in his death, resurrection and ascension, points to the return of Christ in the future and seeks to live in love by the power of the Spirit in the present.

Most of the other disagreements are dependent on these three areas and would be resolved if these three areas ever were.

From a Protestant perspective, that would require a sweeping Catholic Ecumenical Council in which much of their current doctrine was fundamentally reformed. The odds of that happening are close to nil. So while it is still possible and the reason I state the Catholic Church is reformable, it is not probable by any stretch of the imagination at this time.

Catholics, of course, simply assert Protestants must become Catholics.
 
The question of the thread is:
Are catholics Christian?

I take that to mean, can a practising catholic/someone who attends a catholic church be saved?
And most often I hear they can't because they believe in a works based Gospel

Actually I chatted a while ago to a catholic who stressed we are not under law but under grace.
He was passionate about it and emphasised the point far more, and better than I have heard many Protestants do. As many Protestants I am sure do not rigidly hold to all of their denominational teaching(and probably have never read the articles of faith of their church) I would imagine the same holds true for catholics
No, I don't believe a billion people will go to hell because they worship at an RC church
 
The three areas at the core of disagreement between Catholic and Protestant are Soteriology, Sola scriptura, and the Church.

These definitions reflect my Protestantism:

1. Soteriology: Literally, "the study of salvation." This topic within the corpus of systematic theology deals with the work of the triune God in bringing creation, and especially humans, to enjoy the divine purpose for existence. More specifically, "objective" soteriology speaks of the life, death, resurrection and exaltation of Christ in relation to human salvation and atonement. In addition, "subjective" soteriology (the work of the Spirit in the application of Christ’s salvation) deals with the process whereby individuals are brought to God’s saving goals. Topics generally covered include election, calling, regeneration, faith, repentance, conversion, justification and atonement, sanctification and glorification.

2. Sola scriptura: Latin for "Scripture only," the Reformation principle that Scripture—not Scripture plus church tradition—is the source of Christian revelation. As a result, Scripture is to rule as God’s word in the church, unencumbered by papal and ecclesiastical magisterium (dogma) and unrivaled by the supposed additional revelation that comes through church tradition.

3. The Church: A word generally used to translate the generic Greek word ekklēsia, which variously means "gathering," "assembly" or "congregation." However, the NT tends to use the word to refer to all those who by faith in the person and work of Christ as the fullest revelation of God have entered into a new relationship with God and with one another (1 Cor 1:9–10), who are the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit on earth (1 Cor 3:16) and who have been given the task of proclaiming the present and future reign of God in the world, both by the verbal declaration of the word of God (Acts 20:25–27) and by the administration of the ordinances or sacraments (Mt 28:19; 1 Cor 10:16–17). The church is founded on the past work of Christ in his death, resurrection and ascension, points to the return of Christ in the future and seeks to live in love by the power of the Spirit in the present.

Most of the other disagreements are dependent on these three areas and would be resolved if these three areas ever were.

From a Protestant perspective, that would require a sweeping Catholic Ecumenical Council in which much of their current doctrine was fundamentally reformed. The odds of that happening are close to nil. So while it is still possible and the reason I state the Catholic Church is reformable, it is not probable by any stretch of the imagination at this time.

Catholics, of course, simply assert Protestants must become Catholics.
You study a lot, don't you? Lol
 
Catholics are Christians if they believe in the Lord Jesus as personal Saviour and believe, through faith, in Him leading them in life. The Lord leads. "...you follow Me." John 21:22

I have no time for hearing about Catholicism being the one true religion, the real Catholics don't say that because they know that God's Word is undivided and what is said is the same message for all people who have chosen Him because He chose them.
 
Hello everyone,

Base on what the Bible says, Christians are the follower of God. Follows all commandments and teachings. (Matthew 28:20)
If the Catholic are considered christians, why are the priest calling as Father? Why are they have an idolatry? Why are they eating frozen blood?
If you are doing all these things, you are abiding the law of God and against the teachings of Christ.

On the other hand, there are 2 kinds of Judging:
1: Wrong judging which used the standard of human judgement
2: Right judging which used the standard of God.

In Matthew 7:1-5 this is a kind of wrong judgement. Judging using measurement.
In John 7:24 - this is a right judgement. Judge righteous judgement.

When you are judging a person or group of person using the word of God, it is not wrong to judge them because you are only saying the truth. Saying or telling the truth is not wrong...

Please also read this verse: Titus 1:16 (They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient.)
God says in exodus that making idols are abomination to God. If the catholics are obedient to God then why they are still making idols? Why are they still listening to heresy? Why are they still eating frozen bloods?

Think it first before you place your comment. And please dont use our own thinking, use what is said in the Bible.


If you have more questions, please feel free to email me:
[email protected]

Thanks and God Bless.

And how are you doing with being under the law?
[h=3]Romans 3:21-31[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [SUP]22 [/SUP]even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [SUP]24 [/SUP]being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: [SUP]25 [/SUP]whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; [SUP]26 [/SUP]to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: [SUP]30 [/SUP]seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
Pope kisses the Qu'ran after an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq, May 14, 1999.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Vatican City: Liguori Publications, 1994) says this: The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims.

Did Jesus teach religious plurality?

he taught to Love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matthew 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward can you expect from that? Do not even the tax-gatherers do that?
Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love those who hate you. (*Respect and give thanks for those who say bad things to you. Do good to those who hate you.) Pray for those who do bad things to you and who make it hard for you.
Luke 6:27 [ Jesus Teaches What the Law Says about Love ] “I say to you who hear Me, love those who work against you. Do good to those who hate you
Luke 6:32 “If you love those who love you, what pay can you expect from that? Sinners also love those who love them.

Tell me is Christ being preached, regardless if it is sincere or not is Christ being preached?
What did Christ say to his disciples about this? Are we listening, it seems we are not and just desire to fight flesh on flesh. I tell you the truth God will on God's timing sort it all out, for all shall stand at the Judgment seat of Christ. All will give account, who are you, me or anyone else to judge another man's servant? For I tell you God who has received us will cause us to stand in God, something flesh can not accomplish nor understand and is why we are called through the cross to be born again in the Spirit of God where God is only served in Spirit and truth here today.no other way.
 
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH !!! What an awesome feeling when Christians walk hand in hand! You bring up a brilliant point, brother! Imagine we all started using the good stuff we gain from each other to our advantage in our search for God, instead of looking at the logs in each others' eyes! Again, WHAT AN AWESOME FEELING WHEN ALL US CHRISTIANS WALK AS A FAMILY!!!

Ya know, something I feel the Catholic Church is lacking is the gathering of youth, or anyone for that matter, for the sole purpose of singing praise to Christ! But that's ok, cz I go to get that with my brothers and sisters at Protestant Churches all the time. We are family as far as I'm concerned, and I get SO MUCH out of this love and acceptance that I give and recieve from my brother and sister Protestants.

For all that believe in Christ as their savior we are thus:
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
 
Did Jesus teach "religion" at all?

No I think he taught to believe on him (Father through Son) and went against religion.
Religion in it's truest form means What is it "I" am doing to get God to respond to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When God is the creator and I am the creation I think it makes sense for me to be the responder, since I am not the creator.
Yet this world is full of creators, as is what happened to Adam and Eve to till the ground on their own and create.
Yet God call us all to Faith in God yes? To be dependent on God and no other yes?
So what does a pot say to the pot maker? God is our creator, think it might be time to respond to God and say thank you, that I am made this way, will you please live in me and do in me what I know I can't do in self, and that is be perfect.
So I want to be dead to self, be co-crucified to flesh with Christ at the death, so that I might see the new life you have for me Father
 
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[SUP]330[/SUP]

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The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .[SUP]331
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The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."
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​I just thought I'd better throw in the next two points from the catechism to give you a better understanding of where the one you singled out leads to. God bless.

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We are to reach out to all as God calls us to in God's type of love that no flesh can comprehend.
God's type of love that god gives us if we want the born again life, is best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
And no flesh can perform this type of Love only God can in the born again believer