Are Christians prepared if the US goes down?

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ResidentAlien

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As I'm sure most people here know, prophetic commentators are quick to point out that (in their view) the US is missing from end-times prophecy because of some catastrophe which puts an end to US as a nation. I tend to think the US is there, just not where they're looking for it.

In any case, whether the US is in prophecy or not, what if something did happen and the US became weakened and no longer had the influence or power it now has. How would American Christians react? Would we be prepared, or have we become so engrossed in the idea that the USA=Christianity we'd lose faith in God?
 
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As I'm sure most people here know, prophetic commentators are quick to point out that (in their view) the US is missing from end-times prophecy because of some catastrophe which puts an end to US as a nation. I tend to think the US is there, just not where they're looking for it.

In any case, whether the US is in prophecy or not, what if something did happen and the US became weakened and no longer had the influence or power it now has. How would American Christians react? Would we be prepared, or have we become so engrossed in the idea that the USA=Christianity we'd lose faith in God?
America has a plan they want to accomplish and they will fall, but they do not care for the fall of them will bring about the global government, and the leaders of America now want a global government, and Republicans and Democrats are working together, the Hegel System, which is how they will bring them together as one.

On the back of the dollar bill announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and E Pluribus Unum, out of many, one.

The occult, new age movement is what they believe now.

Since evolution came out they started interpreting the Bible and all religions differently, so things will change because of that.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement interprets the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and he will evolve to be greater and spiritual above Jesus, and all who follow him will evolve.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

Which we see homosexuality and being a vegan are becoming popular for they are pushing it to be that way.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age movement wrote many books speaking of the coming united religious system, one world government, and New Age Christ, and other occult things, and they set up a web site lucistrust.org promoting her books and writing.

She was a conservative Christian but then changed to an occult interpretation given to her by a Tibetan Monk.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her writing, so he is of the inner circle of Freemason, which there is an inner circle and outer circle of the occult, and Alice Bailey said the inner circle is the true church.

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer, how they interpret the Bible.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come that the world will want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts to evolve to be spiritual with no higher power above them.

This is how they interpret the Bible now, and that is why they took prayer out of school and taught evolution.

That is why things will change.

But they believe the New Age Christ will not help them to evolve and to have peace on earth until the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth, so that is what they are pursuing.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and work as a man of peace, and the biggest player on the world scene, and push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God.

They interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution now so they are trying to establish the new age movement in the world as standard religion, and set the stage for the appearing of the New Age Christ, antichrist.

Like the occult mystical Phoenix bird after 200 years or so is consumed in fire and out of its ashes arises a new Phoenix bird, America will fall and out of the ruins of her will arise the 10 horn kingdom the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, a global government.

Like Paul Revere said, the British are coming, the British are coming, it is now to be said, the occult is coming, the occult is coming.

America was a plan from the very start to bring the nations together, but evolution changed the way they looked at reality.

The plan is the same but now they interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution and the occult is the most dangerous, selfish, self exalting belief system in the history of mankind for it is all about trying to get power through nature to become greater above other people and to exalt themselves, and they will stop at nothing to have it.

So it shifted from kindness to implement their plan at the start to cruelty, and going against everyone that opposes them which will result is the worse kingdom that has ever been on earth the beast kingdom of Revelation 13.
 

p_rehbein

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In any case, whether the US is in prophecy or not, what if something did happen and the US became weakened and no longer had the influence or power it now has. How would American Christians react? Would we be prepared, or have we become so engrossed in the idea that the USA=Christianity we'd lose faith in God?
Something IS going to happen to the United States, AND the rest of the WORLD! One day, soon, God willing, all will be destroyed. The Church will not have to worry for they will have been gathered up by Jesus and taken to Glory just as He promised. I suspect that there are more than a few who believe they are part of the One Church that will be sorely surprised on that day though....... But, then, Scripture (Jesus) said it would be that way.
 
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America has a plan they want to accomplish and they will fall, but they do not care for the fall of them will bring about the global government, and the leaders of America now want a global government, and Republicans and Democrats are working together, the Hegel System, which is how they will bring them together as one.

On the back of the dollar bill announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and E Pluribus Unum, out of many, one.

The occult, new age movement is what they believe now.

Since evolution came out they started interpreting the Bible and all religions differently, so things will change because of that.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement interprets the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and he will evolve to be greater and spiritual above Jesus, and all who follow him will evolve.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

Which we see homosexuality and being a vegan are becoming popular for they are pushing it to be that way.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age movement wrote many books speaking of the coming united religious system, one world government, and New Age Christ, and other occult things, and they set up a web site lucistrust.org promoting her books and writing.

She was a conservative Christian but then changed to an occult interpretation given to her by a Tibetan Monk.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her writing, so he is of the inner circle of Freemason, which there is an inner circle and outer circle of the occult, and Alice Bailey said the inner circle is the true church.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come that the world will want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts to evolve to be spiritual with no higher power above them.

This is how they interpret the Bible now, and that is why they took prayer out of school and taught evolution.

That is why things will change.

But they believe the New Age Christ will not help them to evolve and to have peace on earth until the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth, so that is what they are pursuing.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and work as a man of peace, and the biggest player on the world scene, and push the agenda of the new age movement until the world rebels against God.

They interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution now so they are trying to establish the new age movement in the world as standard religion, and set the stage for the appearing of the New Age Christ, antichrist.

Like the occult mystical Phoenix bird after 200 years or so is consumed in fire and out of its ashes arises a new Phoenix bird, America will fall and out of the ruins of her will arise the 10 horn kingdom the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, a global government.

Like Paul Revere said, the British are coming, the British are coming, it is now to be said, the occult is coming, the occult is coming.

America was a plan from the very start to bring the nations together, but evolution changed the way they looked at reality.

The plan is the same but now they interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution and the occult is the most dangerous, selfish, self exalting belief system in the history of mankind for it is all about trying to get power through nature to become greater above other people and to exalt themselves, and they will stop at nothing to have it.

So it shifted from kindness to implement their plan at the start to cruelty, and going against everyone that opposes them which will result is the worse kingdom that has ever been on earth the beast kingdom of Revelation 13.
Now they say that America is in jeopardy of losing her democracy, and they faltered at providing democracy which is what America wants as part of their plan to bring the nations together,

From America to the 10 horn kingdom to the New Age Christ kingdom.

America will fall on purpose to give birth to the 10 horn kingdom which is planned to fall so it will give birth to the New Age Christ kingdom.

America is going to lose her democracy and they are going to do it on purpose that is why they want all the problems that are going on in America and worse.

We are in the end time big time, and it is time for a global government, and to produce the New Age Christ.

America is not the nation that we thought it was and America is in scriptures for America is the key to the nations coming together which will eventually result in the beast kingdom.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

The Bible says that Babylon will never have physical dominion again, but her life was prolonged for a time and a season, which means hers ways are still on earth so this is Babylon in spirit, and she does not fall until Jesus puts down the world.

America brought back the Babylonian system and did trade with the world which the World Trade Center headquarters is in New York.

She lived deliciously and in pleasure above all other nations, and her sins have reached unto heaven for America is laden with sinful activity, and greed, and selfishness.

America is the reason that the beast kingdom came about for her plan was to establish the new age movement in the world as standard religion, and produce the New Age Christ for that is how they interpret the Bible now.

For the interpretation of the Bible has changed and America is going to cause that change to be standard religion in the world when the New Age Christ, antichrist, starts working in the world.

It sucks that America has this plan for they will tear this country apart to have her kingdom in the future because her people do not matter but to them the New Age Christ kingdom matters.
 

JesusWhereRU

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As I'm sure most people here know, prophetic commentators are quick to point out that (in their view) the US is missing from end-times prophecy because of some catastrophe which puts an end to US as a nation. I tend to think the US is there, just not where they're looking for it.

In any case, whether the US is in prophecy or not, what if something did happen and the US became weakened and no longer had the influence or power it now has. How would American Christians react? Would we be prepared, or have we become so engrossed in the idea that the USA=Christianity we'd lose faith in God?
After all the corruption in voting I have witnessed (albeit some not verified absolutely.. but can validly be presumed to have taken place)

I don't see how you can say or imply that the US is not already GONE.

without the vote, We the People have NO say.. We the US are no better than pretty much any other country
 

JesusWhereRU

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Something IS going to happen to the United States, AND the rest of the WORLD! One day, soon, God willing, all will be destroyed. The Church will not have to worry for they will have been gathered up by Jesus and taken to Glory just as He promised. I suspect that there are more than a few who believe they are part of the One Church that will be sorely surprised on that day though....... But, then, Scripture (Jesus) said it would be that way.
one theory has it that Christians will not be taken from the earth but that the evil ones are the ones who will go.

I believe that theory because that notion that the Christians will be.. beamed up out of this world as it were.. defies the Bible which speaks of TWO comings of Christ... not THREE

The Rapture says he comes 3 times.. nonsense.
 

Desdichado

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I'm prepared to move back to Appalachia if it happens.
 
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JesusWhereRU

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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...schwab-says-you-will-own-nothing-in-10-years/

You will own nothing in 10 years and like it.

America will take a back seat to the United Nations as the nations come together.

America wants to fall and they will surrender to the United Nations and no longer a super power although they might rule along with other some other nations as the dominate nations.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/the-reality-of-gates-schwabs-plan/
 

ResidentAlien

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I don't believe I've heard anyone directly address the issue of the USA and Christianity being one and the same in the minds of many. This is the part that concerns me.

Patriotism has become so magnified in many of the churches that one is afraid to say anything negative about the US for fear of becoming an outcast.

Has Christianity become so enmeshed with patriotism and politics that if something happened and the US was no longer a country one could be "proud" of, would we know where to turn? Would we understand that it was God and Christ all along we should have been "proud" of and been trusting in? Or would we radicalize and become even more zealous to return the US to its former "glory?"
 

Nehemiah6

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I don't believe I've heard anyone directly address the issue of the USA and Christianity being one and the same in the minds of many.
I'm not sure where you got this idea, but I do not believe that this has ever been the case for the last 50 years (at least). Beginning with the Hippie Movement and the embracing of Hinduism and Eastern religions, the US has been steadily going away from its Christian roots. And now Wokeism is the new religion and COVID-Moloch is the new false god.

Getting back to the destruction of the republic and its Constitution, there is no question that America is being destroyed systematically day by day and hour by hour. And the bogus COVID pandemic has been used as an excuse to target churches and shut them down. There may yet be a window of time where those who have been robbed of their constitutional rights and freedoms can take governments and governors to court (or even the International Court of Justice), but if something is not done very quickly the US will become another Totalitarian regime, where democracy is a sham and the Constitution is null and void. The same applies to Canada.
 

Lanolin

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No idea, but I think there arent many places to emigrate now if things go pear shaped. seems like the wild west is all 'settled' even after it got made into a dust bowl.

There is still Antarctica, or Mars.
 
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To paraphrase John Adams (one of our foundering fathers) concerning the Constitution
'This document is meant for moral and religious people'.
Without an underlying foundation of Judeo / Christian
values and guidelines, democracy will fail. There will be nothing
to hold back the love of money .
I believe the only thing That will hold back the advancing evils is for
us to be better witnesses of GOD. To carry with us HIS presence into this
world. The darkness of this world cannot stand in HIS light / presence.
 

Pengwyn

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Babylon will always fall. The only true eternal kingdom is that of the lords. Christian first, American second. Which will be in our hearts. Once it falls, many will need help, and I will do my best to stay and help them, what little I can. Even as the fire burns around me, I will greet whoever is in front of me with a hello and a smile.

When hell itself has come upon the earth, still trust in God, and do as he would wish you to do. Not what some government, king, or dictator wishes for you to do. We must work to harden ourselves, and face their kingdom of hate, and fire armed with our love and grace of the lord.
 

ResidentAlien

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To paraphrase John Adams (one of our foundering fathers) concerning the Constitution
'This document is meant for moral and religious people'.
Without an underlying foundation of Judeo / Christian
values and guidelines, democracy will fail. There will be nothing
to hold back the love of money .
I believe the only thing That will hold back the advancing evils is for
us to be better witnesses of GOD. To carry with us HIS presence into this
world. The darkness of this world cannot stand in HIS light / presence.
I've heard this quote many times. It does at first seem to be true an unassailable. However, Adams wasn't talking about true Christianity. He was talking about "moral and religious" people; and, "an underlying foundation of Judeo / Christian values and guidelines." The founders never intended for the USA to be a truly Christian nation. I can hear the cries right now: Blasphemer! Nevertheless, the US Constitution is inclusive, and allows for any and all religions so far as they promote peace and liberty; and, so long as they're "moral and religious" and adhere to Biblical "morals and values." But Biblical morals and values aren't how you create people free from greed and evil. Only a relationship with God's Son can do that. Nowhere will you find this in the Constitution.

American Christianity has had an unhealthy relationship—almost from the beginning—with money and big money interests. What we've inherited in the US is kind of counterfeit Christianity. One that has a "form of Godliness but denies its power."

See The Money Cult: Capitalism, Christianity, and the Unmaking of the American Dream.
 

ResidentAlien

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Babylon will always fall. The only true eternal kingdom is that of the lords. Christian first, American second. Which will be in our hearts. Once it falls, many will need help, and I will do my best to stay and help them, what little I can. Even as the fire burns around me, I will greet whoever is in front of me with a hello and a smile.

When hell itself has come upon the earth, still trust in God, and do as he would wish you to do. Not what some government, king, or dictator wishes for you to do. We must work to harden ourselves, and face their kingdom of hate, and fire armed with our love and grace of the lord.
Amen! :)