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The ministry gave me scriptures. I applied them. I've stated what happened. Make of it what you will.
Are curses still relevant to the Christians?
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What most people don't understand is that we curse ourselves...
You can accept a curse from your parents...but you don't have to. You can actually change your mind (repent from sinful attitudes) and accept the truth.
However,.
People today are so unwilling to admit they are wrong they induce more curses upon themselves. Or they do the classic "I was wrong once but not now" This classic causes most curses inside the church today.
In the first two chapters of Romans Paul outlines how we curse ourselves.
How good are you really about accepting the good things and rejecting the bad attitudes of your parents and friends? Are you sure?
In what ways have they influenced you? WHY?
So what curses are you running towards?
As someone who once had a ministry in a retirement center...
Your sins that you play at getting rid of...they do a number on you when you get old. Those sins are rooted in fears and wants. And those desires and fears will control you one day. And it won't be pretty.
Just saying...this isn't exactly easy stuff to "fix".
I do not doubt you was given scripture, I'm simply questioning are curses still a problem for the modern Christian? Do we have guidance in the new testament. Not everything in the Old applies to the New in the same way.
blick where in the Bible does it say curses are because of or related to demons ? I’m open to thkngs from the Bible but that’s not in there that I have ever noticed is this a Bible discussion forum or conspiracy theory forum ?
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah 24:5-6 KJV
all curses in earth are because of mankind’s transgression against the law beginning with adams transgression and culminating because of Moses law
“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
Deuteronomy 11:26-28 KJV
they broke it continually and we’re scattered into the earth the curse going with them
studying the occult is going to corrupt what’s in scriptire and lean oir ideas to obscure the reality
Gods word breaking his warnings are the source of any curse that exists
Romans chapter 1 and 2.
It's available in every city on the planet. I'll let him explain it to you.
I have read it many times as to why I'm asking for you to explain how we curse ourselves.
Two people can read the same Bible and have different interpretations on certain passages. Each has to explain their position so that the other may see their understanding.
the same way adam did by hearing Gods word and following another contrary idea that’s always going to curse a man , just as hearing Gods word and sticking with what he said will always bless a man
we were made free and given Gods word and then there came another idea one is a blessing the other a curse and the choice is ours it always has been
We curse ourselves when we refuse to believe what God has said all that’s left of we reject what God said is a curse the blessing is on his word
Sure we reap what we sow and sure as a unbeliever who has no mediator to be seen as righteous then they will reap judgements. But as a Christian in the context of the OP are curses things that can be attacking Christians and Christians must locate them and break them?
Through the lens of Jesus we are seen as righteous, sinless, justified, a Saint, we are God's children born again, now in the new and no longer the old. God's patience is within this age of grace. The dispensation of the church.
I would sort of say the same thing brother it’s about the gospel now if we hear and reject the gospel none of the promises he makes apply to us it’s all based on believing the word of Jesus Christ that removes all curses
but if we live on opposed to his word we’re only embracing the curse and I think we’re seen as we are in Christ of we’re living sinful lives when we know better we’re not seen as sinless we have to come to repentance and be seen as disciples of Christ not sinners willfully continuing in the old ways of sin
And death but imperfect believers walking after and following the blessings of the lords living word freely given to us
we’re seen as new people but if we go back to Our old ways well it’s not as of God doesn’t see what we’re doing. We can still put ourself in the curse of we reject Jesus and the gospel.
we do not have to be perfect but we do have to hear and believe his doctrine and that will teach us repentance and righteousness blessi nt is all that exists in Christ but we’re still free to choose every day we make choices that either bless or curse
Just because Paul didn't use the word "curse" doesn't mean that what he describes as results are not a curse.
There's reasons for this...and if you know the letter then you understand why.
The bible does not go into demon possession, although it refers to is. We are told that it is demons we fight against.
Ephesians 6:12: 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Principalities and powers are high demonic chains of command that control the affairs of the dark world. This forces operate both in the spirit world and in the physical.
Especially in the gospels, we learn that there is such a thing as demon possession, and we are told that as the world ages they become more common.
I read the book "People of the Lie" that told of a psychiatrist who worked with people with demons, and felt led to explore this subject. I explored in the current world, because God is truth and His truth does not stop in our world today. If you believe you must not know about how God works in our world today, then you must ignore what I found.
There is much propaganda that is demon inspired on this subject in current literature. In order to find what is truth from the Lord in our world today, it takes a lot of searching and tossing out most of what is written. Each must be checked out as agreeing with scripture or not.
What is of God blesses us, what is of demons curses us. Sin is of demons.
I do know the letter. You may not be aware of this, but the core (body) of the letter revolves around the extraction of the Curse of the Lord. The letter points to Colossians 2:9-15 . . . the Circumcision of Christ.
So, the letter is about a Curse (clearly described in chapter 5) . . . but not about how humans curse themselves.
Sin is of human condition. The forces of evil only tempt and if allowed in can possess someone to commit great evil.
God blesses and curses in the OT. It says this in Deuteronomy.
yeah but where does the Bible talk about how curses are from demons like your insisting ? And not from transgressing the law like scriptire makes clear ? Was what I was saying
this is a Bible discussion forum for discussing the Bible
Sin is powered by the Sinful Nature, or, the Mind of the Devil. The Sinful Nature is replaced (through and because of the Work of Christ's Circumcision) by the Divine Nature. Thus, a True Believer receives the new Mind of Christ. Hence, a Roman's 12:2 Transformation begins. And when that Transformation because, that new believers will begin to say things like . . . "They things I used to do; I no longer do them. For the Divine Nature in me, all that is within it is good. The things I once did, I still hate, but now I have learned to overcome and am obedient." - Yes, the opposite of Roman's 7 (where Paul discusses his life with the indwelling Sinful Nature).
(I would sort of say the same thing brother it’s about the gospel now if we hear and reject the gospel none of the promises he makes apply to us it’s all based on believing the word of Jesus Christ that removes all curses)
I agree 100%
(but if we live on opposed to his word we’re only embracing the curse)
No true Christian could just live on with sinning. It should now be a work in progress by the Holy Spirit. We are no longer sinful in nature but sin-less as sanctification takes place.
(and I think we’re seen as we are in Christ of we’re living sinful lives when we know better we’re not seen as sinless we have to come to repentance and be seen as disciples of Christ not sinners willfully continuing in the old ways of sin
And death but imperfect believers walking after and following the blessings of the lords living word freely given to us
we’re seen as new people but if we go back to Our old ways well it’s not as of God doesn’t see what we’re doing. We can still put ourself in the curse of we reject Jesus and the gospel.
we do not have to be perfect but we do have to hear and believe his doctrine and that will teach us repentance and righteousness blessi nt is all that exists in Christ but we’re still free to choose every day we make choices that either bless or curse)
I have read everyone's point of view as going into this I was not 100% sure if curses are still applicable under a new covenant. This is my understanding so far.
Hebrews 10:14-18
New International Version
14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.
Curses are related to personal sin or generational sin.
In Hebrews 10 verse 14 we see that one sacrifice made us Christians perfect forever. The Holy Spirit in us testifies to this truth as we are guided by His Word. Verse 17 says their sins and lawless acts will be remembered no more. Not one sin but sins in plural.
Romans 8:1-4
New International Version
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
There is no condemnation because we have been set free from the law of sin and death. Jesus condemned sin in the flesh and the righteous requirement of the law is not imparted onto us. We are now seen as righteous.
Romans 6
New International Version
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
As any Christian knows, we still struggle with sin. But the key truth to remember is we no longer are slaves to sin. We now have given our life to Christ, a slave, a servant, a child, and a disciple.
The temple dedicated to sacrifice and worship by the Israelites contained a veil that separated the Holy of Holies (the dwelling place of God’s presence). The rest of the temple was where men worked their ceremonial duties. It signified that mankind was separated from God due to sin (Isaiah 59:1-2).
The curtain veil in the temple was split in half on the day of Jesus's death to represent that separation was no longer necessary. The day of Pentecost as the Holy Spirit came down and engulfed the apostles shows that not only are we no longer separated but we now have God’s Spirit living in us.
We have a relational God who now guides us full of grace, patience, and love as the element of justice has already been met. If we sin we only hurt our relationship from our side of the spectrum. We still can reap earthly damage but the only spiritual damage we can reap is not a curse but a disconnection to God as sin takes our attention away, fills us with guilt, shame, hate, anxiety, fear, etc and Satan can feed on these to further distract us.
Jesus Himself removes the Curse.
Colossians 2:11 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature."
We HAVE to get this right.