so where are they before their resurrected then?
there sleeping in the grave
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go,
that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,
which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
37:13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people,
and brought you up out of your graves,
2:6 The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
12:17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave,
and raised him from the dead, bare record.
37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee:
they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
so where are they before their resurrected then?
“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." Jn 5:28-29.
yes that verse is very definitive.“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." Jn 5:28-29.
What doesn't seem to make sense to me is most folks believe they go to hell directly after death and then are resurrected to be thrown in hell again. that seem odd to anyone else?
I think the rich man are the pharisees and the poor man the disciples of ChristWhat do you think the parable of Luke 16:19 teaches us?
What do you think the parable of Luke 16:19 teaches us?
I think the rich man are the pharisees and the poor man the disciples of Christ
Luke 16:19 .) There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 .) And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 .) And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 .) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 .) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 .) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 .) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 .) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 .) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 .) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 .) Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 .) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 .) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
I think the rich man are the pharisees and the poor man the disciples of Christ
I don't think it teaches anything about the state of the dead because it's a parableThat is a possibility but what I am asking is what do you think it teaches us about the state of the dead?