According to what you are saying above, Bethel did believe in Jesus in John 11:25 right? What happened after that?
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According to what you are saying above, Bethel did believe in Jesus in John 11:25 right? What happened after that?
John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”
John/Yahanan 7:16-17, “Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority.”
Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.” (Deut 8:3)
John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Yes, we live by every word but we do not obey every word. Rightly dividing the word of truth divides the Scripture into God's various dealings with man throughout human history as given in the Bible. Knowing the audience is key. Do you live by every word God has given? First of all, that would be impossible without rightly dividing. God gave directions to build an ark, do not eat from the tree in the midst of the garden, sacrifice animals, etc... We learn about God from passages that are not written to us. We obey the passages written to us as commands of holy living. The church doctrine is mainly found in Paul's thirteen epistles as given to him by the Lord. Over and over the Scripture commands us, the body of Christ, to follow Paul.
1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
1 Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
Philippians 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
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So you follow Paul?
The Messiah says He is the one to follow, and YHWH says Yahshua is the one to follow.
John 10:27-30, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
John/Yahanan 8:12, “Therefore יהושע spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall by no means walk in darkness, but possess the light of life.”
John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”
1 John 2:6, “The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he (Jesus) himself lived.”
John 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Luke 6:46-49, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say? “Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
I'm not a sheep but a member of the body of Christ. I am following the words of Jesus, the words and doctrine He gave to the Apostle Paul for the body of Christ.
You should read and meditate on this imo, just try to give it an honest look?
John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
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1 John 3:2-3, “Beloved ones, now we are children of Elohim. And it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone having this expectation in Him cleanses himself, as He is clean.”
Psalms 119:156-, “Your compassions are many, O יהוה; Revive me according to Your right-rulings.”
Psalm 16:11, “You show me the path of life; In Your presence is joy to satisfaction; At Your right hand are pleasures forever."
Psalms 16:8-11, " 8 I have set יהוה always before me; Because He is at my right hand I am not shaken. 9 Therefore my heart was glad, and my esteem rejoices; My flesh also dwells in safety. 10 For You do not leave my being in She’ol, Neither let Your Lovingly-committed One see corruption. 11 You show me the path of life; In Your presence is joy to satisfaction; At Your right hand are pleasures forever.
Psalms 16:1-11, "16:1, "Guard me, O Ěl, for I have taken refuge in You."16:2, "I have said to יהוה, “You are יהוה, I have no good beside You.”"16:3, "As for the set-apart ones who are on the earth, They are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight."16:4, "The sorrows of those who run after another one are increased; I would not pour out their drink offerings of blood, Nor take up their names on my lips."16:5, "יהוה is the portion of my inheritance and my cup; You uphold my lot."16:6, "Boundary lines have fallen to me in pleasant places; Indeed, a good inheritance is mine."16:7, "I bless יהוה who has given me counsel; My kidneys also instruct me in the nights."16:8, "I have set יהוה always before me; Because He is at my right hand I am not shaken."16:9, "Therefore my heart was glad, and my esteem rejoices; My flesh also dwells in safety."16:10, "For You do not leave my being in She’ol, Neither let Your Lovingly-committed One see corruption."16:11, "You show me the path of life; In Your presence is joy to satisfaction; At Your right hand are pleasures forever."
Job 19:25-26, “For I know that my Redeemer lives, and on the Last day He shall stand over the Earth; and after my skin has been destroyed, then in my body I shall see the Mighty One!”
Isaiah 26:19-20, “Let Your dead live, together with my dead body, let them arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; for Your dew is a dew of light, and let the earth give birth to the departed spirits. Go, my people, enter your rooms, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little while, until the displeasure is past.”
Hosea 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”
Daniel 12:1-3, “Now at that time Miḵa’yl shall stand up, the great head who is standing over the sons of your people. And there shall be a time of distress, such as never was since there was a nation, until that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, every one who is found written in the book, and many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth wake up, some to everlasting life, and some to reproaches, everlasting abhorrence. And those who have insight shall shine like the brightness of the expanse, and those who lead many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.”
Psalms 49:14-15, “Like sheep they shall be laid in She’ol; Death shall shepherd them; And the upright rule over them in the morning; And their form is consumed in She’ol, Far from their dwelling. But the Mighty One does redeem my being From the power of She’ol, For He does receive me. Selah.”
yes, without doubt
Revelation 21:10-27, “And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the set-apart Yerushalayim, descending out of the heaven from the Mighty One, having the esteem of the Mighty One, and her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal, and having a great and high wall, having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve messengers, and names written on them, which are those of the twelve tribes of the children of Yisra’ĕl: three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve emissaries of the Lamb. And he who spoke with me had a golden measuring rod, to measure the city, and its gates, and its wall. And the city lies four-cornered, and its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the rod: twelve thousand stadiad – the length, and the breadth, and height of it are equal. (2216 kilometers or 1377 miles) And he measured its wall: hundred and forty-four forearms, (66 meters or 216 feet) And the structure of its wall was jasper. And the city was clean gold, like clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls – each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was clean gold, like transparent glass. And I saw no Dwelling Place in it, for יהוה Ěl Shaddai is its Dwelling Place, and the Lamb. And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it, for the esteem of the Mighty One lightened it, and the Lamb is its lamp. And the nations, of those who are saved, shall walk in its light, and the sovereigns of the earth bring their esteem into it. (Isa 60:3) And its gates shall not be shut at all by day, for night shall not be there. And they shall bring the esteem and the appreciation of the nations into it. And there shall by no means enter into it whatever is unclean, neither anyone doing abomination and falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” (Dan 12:1, Rev 22:15)
Psalm 37:29, “The righteous shall inherit the earth, and dwell in it forever.”
Amos 9:11-12, “In that day I shall raise up the Booth of Dawiḏ which has fallen down. And I shall repair its breaches and raise up its ruins. And I shall build it as in the days of old, so that they possess the remnant of Aḏam (Eḏom*) and all the nations on whom My Name is called,” declares יהוה who does this.” (*The vowels which the Massoretes added later on makes this read Eḏom, but it was probably a mistake. It should be Aḏam, meaning mankind.)
Acts 15:16-18, “After this I shall return and rebuild the Booth of Dawiḏ which has fallen down. And I shall rebuild its ruins, and I shall set it up, so that the remnant of mankind shall seek יהוה, even all the nations on whom My Name has been called, says יהוה who is doing all this, who has made this known from of old.”
Revelation 12:10, “And I heard a loud voice saying in the heaven, “Now have come the deliverance and the power and the reign of our Strength and the authority of His Messiah, for the accuser of our brothers, who accused them before Yah day and night, has been thrown down.”
Mat 19:27-29, “Then Kĕpha answering, said to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You. What then shall we have? And יהושע said to them, “Truly I say to you, when the Son of Aḏam sits on the throne of His esteem, you who have followed Me in the rebirth, shall also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Yisra’yl. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My Name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”
Ezekiyl 48:35, "“All around: eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city from that day is: יהוה is there!” (In Hebrew: יהוה Shammah)
Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Which one of these mentions the Lord's death for our sins, His burial and resurrection the third day? That is the gospel my friend. Because we know what the Lord gave Paul as the gospel, we read into many passages with that knowledge.
What about the most famous verse in the Scriptures?
John 3:16-17,“For Elohim so loved the world that He gave His only brought-forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but possess everlasting life. “For Elohim did not send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
What about all 4 gospels? The death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah is not in those?
Every one teaches eternal life, PS 22 and ISA 53 are just 2 that speak of Yahshua..
Matthew 16:21-22,From that time יהושע began to show to His taught ones that it was necessary for Him to go to Yerushalayim, and to suffer much from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and to be raised again the third day. And Kĕpha took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Be kind to Yourself, Master, this shall not be to You!”
Luke 9:20-22,And He said to them, “And you, who do you say I am?” And Kĕpha answering, said, “The Messiah of Elohim.” And strictly warning them, He commanded them to say this to no one, saying, “The Son of Aḏam has to suffer much, and to be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and to be killed, and to be raised the third day.”
Luke 24:44-45, "And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be filled that were written in the Torah of Mosheh and the Prophets and the Tehillim concerning Me.” Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures."
Do you really know what this means without Paul's writings? God gave His Son...for what purpose? Believes in Him...believes in Him for what? No mention of death, burial and resurrection...no mention of sin. That's pretty important to me. Christ died for my sin, was buried and on the third day rose again. That's what I believed unto my salvation. You?
Interesting enough, this is one passage where almost everyone is sure that Jesus is only talking to the 12 disciples and not any of us in the Body of Christ.
Both points made people reject this for themselves
- shall also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Yisra’yl.
- Everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My Name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”
The best way to understand John 3:16, what does God gave his only begotten son meant, is to use Isaiah 9:6, note the same term "given" is used.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Thus John 3:16 is not about the death of Christ, but rather the birth of Christ, God gave his son to the world as the promised Messiah to Israel.
All that information is in the 4 Gospels, the Psalms, Isaish, etc. and yes it is what allows us to even have mercy, without mercy none would enter into salvation.
People reject? people reject all kinds of things, none can be forced to do or think anything, this is what is written.
The 12 disciples in the kingdom
Revelation 21:14, “And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
many from all nations in the kingdom
Revelation 7:9-10,After this I looked and saw a great crowd which no one was able to count, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Deliverance belongs to our Elohim who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
So you do agree you will not be among those that will sit on 12 thrones right?
You also agree salvation is not given to you based on you giving up houses, mother and wife right?
Stop acting like im saying things im not, show me where I ever said or impled that. The 12 disciples will sit on the thrones made for the 12 disciples...
So you agree with what I was saying in that post, that statement by Jesus was not directed to the rest of us.
The way you reply makes it seem you were disagreeing