Really????
You really do not know Jesus message ?????
You want me to actually take you there?????
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You really do not know Jesus message ?????
You want me to actually take you there?????
yes, please, specifically where Jesus was going around preaching of His death for our sins, burial and resurrection before it occurred.
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lenna
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I don't know where you stand on the KJ, but John here is KJ only and very enthusiastic about it. just an fyi
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eternally-gratefull
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Sadly I used to sort If believe like them. You have to open your mind and stop listening to those who teach you thinking they are Infallible
“The Son of Man must suffer many things,” He said. “He must be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” Luke 9:22
From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. Matthew 16:21
When they gathered together in Galilee, Jesus told them, “The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill Him, and on the third day He will be raised to life.” And the disciples were deeply grieved. Matthew 17:22-23
Then He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and after three days rise again. He spoke this message quite frankly, and Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. Mark 8:31-32
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eternally-gratefull
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eternally-gratefull
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well then there is hope!
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Hmm I must have her/him blocked lol
Yep, and they understood none of those things because the truth of the cross was a mystery, hidden from man.
Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
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lenna
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I would suggest that it is you that does not understand the things that were spoken and quite possibly also the things that are spoken now
it is a waste of time to even respond to you. I only do so because of your outrageous claims. I would not anyone to think you are right
you and several others manage to spread your poison in every thread you post. everything is turned into a KJ only argument with you or a 'Jesus wasn't talking to us' stupid...yes stupid you heard me...disavowal of the words of God Himself
just a sick way of responding to people who need Jesus every day of their lives, who love Him and respect Him and who acknowledge that He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
here is the so called question of proof of scripture that you asked for. notice that you did not ask who understood it. you simply prove again and again that you are not serious in pursuit of understanding, certainly not wisdom and your intent is to poke and snicker as you do so often. I think Jesus Himself could tap you on the shoulder and you would brush His hand off
see? scripture was given, exactly what you asked for, but since it is easy to supply those, you were dissatisfied and non-believing
Yes, they did. (I didn't. If you think I said that you've got the wrong member.)
You need Jesus!
The way you speak to people is evidence of your own inward darkness spilling over. You have no right to speak to Christians here the way you do.
This behaviour is not atypical in this forum I realised.
If you agree with them, they are very nice and cordial to you.
But if you disagree with them, and they cannot persuade you, they turned nasty towards you.
They find it hard to disagree with people cordially
Galatians 2:9
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
James, Peter and John were God's spokespersons to the circumcised, who are the Jews. While Barnabas and Paul were sent to the gentile believers.
Once you are able to accept that, you won't try to force James, 1-2 Peter, 1-3 John to "agree" with Paul.
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lenna
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sadly, well intentioned people provide a platform for you to spread your disbelief in the gospels, Acts, James and it would seem Peter also
when you cannot make headway because of people who stand firm in scripture, you attack them personally
the most disgruntled people in this thread have all had their personal interpretations shown to be wrong
actually, you can also add that the most disgruntled people in this FORUM will attack people with the intention to begin a personal fight and then they will report them. it has happened many times. thankfully, the mods see right through that
Nice, they tend not to mention those parts where the disciples did not understand and even rebuke Jesus for saying that.
Ignorant of Jesus’ Death, burial, and resurrection
1. Matthew 16:21-22 – Jesus first began to tell them of his death and yet Peter tried to prevent it.
2. Mark 8:31-32 – Another account of Peter rebuking the Lord for speaking about his death.
3. Mark 9:31-32 – After hearing about the death and resurrection of Jesus the disciples “understood not and were afraid to ask him”
4. Luke 9:44-45 – “But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.”
5. Luke 18:31-34 – “And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.”
6. John 2:21-22 – They did not understand the resurrection until after it happened.
Disbelief in the Resurrection
7. Mark 16:5-14 – The ladies were afraid when they found the tomb empty. The disciples did not believe after two witnesses testified of the resurrection.
8. Luke 24:1-4 – The ladies were perplexed about what had happened to Jesus.
9. Luke 24:8-12 – The stories of Jesus’ “disappearance” were idle tales. Peter wondered what happened.
10. John 20:2 – Mary Magdalene thought someone had stolen Jesus after he had resurrected.
11. John 20:7-9 – The disciples after seeing the empty tomb believed Mary that someone had stolen Jesus. They did not know about the resurrection yet.
Did not understand the cross for salvation
12. John 20:21-23 – Even after the resurrection, the disciples did not understand what it accomplished. Here they are given the authority to remit sins.
13. Acts 3:14-15 – The crucifixion was presented as a murder indictment to Israel at Pentecost. The resurrection as a warning that he would return to seek vengeance.
14. Acts 5:28 – Instead of the blood being payment for sins it was presented as the evidence of guilty murderers.
15. Acts 7:52 – Stephen accuses the rulers of betrayal and murder of the Just One.
16. Acts 10:39 – According to Paul’s gospel Christ died willingly in the place of sinners. According to Peter he died because he was slain by certain Jews. Could it be that Peter does not yet understand the mystery of the cross?