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Are there extraterrestrial beings?
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A long time ago people had a very limited view of the universe. Some also thought that our world was the only world there was and that the moon, sun and stars were only (emphasis added, since they are lights but not only lights) lights in the sky. Then we found out there are countless other worlds besides our own. We know that God made the heavens and the earth. And if the heavens include many "earths," then might those "earths" also include conditions that are similar to our Earth? Stated another way, if we found out that elsewhere in the heavens there were conditions similar to our Earth here, then how similar can those conditions get? Might there be at least 1 Earth in every galaxy out there? Certainly we are made in God's image, and those saved are God's children. But I don't see anything that says, "When God created habitable environments he limited it to our Earth, and when he made all life he limited it to our world."
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I'd like to think that there are other people out there.
I'd also like to think mermaids and unicorns are too, and that maybe they would look like this
I'd also like to think mermaids and unicorns are too, and that maybe they would look like this
Horse eyes kinda creep me out. It's like someone pulled out the eyes from frogs on the bank of the river Styx and stuffed them into a giant dog and put hooves on it.
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Genesis 1:27)
Only mankind was created in the image of God. Insects, fish, birds and other creatures were not said to be created in the image of God. Death is final for the other creatures. Mankind is like God and has a soul that will never die.
When angels in heaven sinned against God whom they could see, then Almighty God condemned them to everlasting punishment. God never sent his Son to become an angel and die for angel sins. When angels sinned, they became guilty and they became devils who will be condemned forever.
Because of Christ's Incarnation, perfect life and sacrifice, human beings have at least the possibility of salvation from the eventual wrath of God against sin if they will walk by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Such faith includes repentance from known sin and love for God.
Yes, the universe is big but Almighty God is also immense and all-powerful. Almighty God could have easily made a big universe that is completely sterile and devoid of life and that exists for no other purpose than the contemplation of men and of angels.
And he could have made a big universe full of life. Which is the greater accomplishment for a great God? That's why I ask the question here. There could be other animals on other planets. There could be aliens on other planets. I just haven't found evidence for or against this in the Bible. But I'm fairly sure that at least some angels have physical bodies.
Always fun to ponder on aliens/life in the cosmos.
Personally I would have to nuance my answers so I have not voted yet. Here is my thinking on why I would or would not vote on each 4 possibility. This is all just ponderance and such so keep that in mind.
1. If I vote Yes, I would have to add that I do not believe there is life on any other planet (and there's a possibility there might not even be any other planets.) All direct and hard evidence indicates there is no life or even signs of life on any planet besides Earth. Though I could still vote for this option because there is obviously life extra to life on Terra, just not any from other planets as pop culture imagines.
2. If I vote No, I would have to nuance this as meaning aliens as pop culture means, that is to say sentient or non-sentient beings from another planet. It seems to me there is an abundance of life in the universe, but maybe we have been looking in the wrong places for it. Though I could still support this if the definition for extra-terrestial life is sentient or non-sentient being that live on another planet for which there is a complete and utter lack of proof for them, and curiously, a lack of hard indisputable proof for their planets. In fact, how do we even know stars are akin to our Sun? We don't know any of this and as a species have only been exploring space for 60 years. Thus it is entirely plausible there is no life on any other planet in all the universe.
3. If I vote that there are lower level non-sentient life forms living on other planets (animals, or extremely primitive sentients) then this vote would effectively mean nothing. Let's examine this in terms of theory under Yes there is aliens or No there is not. Either way low level life would be inconsequential. If Yes, there is life in the universe, but it is lower level than man, and man has only explored space for about 60 years, then we by our human standard cannot possibly detect or observe the low level aliens, and these low level aliens will almost certainly never be able to detect us or make themselves known. If No, there is not life in the universe then there all ready aren't animals/lower level forms on other planets and even if we had enough time to develop super star wars technology we will never detect or observe them. Thus their presence or absence is entirely meaningless from a human standpoint.
Though I could still vote for this if I nuanced it a bit because it seems there is certainly something made higher than mankind, but of a lower importance compared to mankind in the universe.
4. If I vote Yes I like Pineapple then I have to add that I only like Pineapple from Planet Earth. However, if you mean pineapple from another planet; then I would have to say No because there is no hard evidence there is even pineapple on other planets or that the other planets even exists. If we assume there to be lower level forms of pineapple on other planets then we'll never find them nor will they find us. Thus it is inconsequential whether the lower level alien pineapple exists or not. If we assume there are not pineapples on other planets then the point of lower level alien pineapples is all ready moot.
Though I could still vote for this option if I nuanced it a bit and said I Like Pineapple from Planet Earth.
Personally I would have to nuance my answers so I have not voted yet. Here is my thinking on why I would or would not vote on each 4 possibility. This is all just ponderance and such so keep that in mind.
1. If I vote Yes, I would have to add that I do not believe there is life on any other planet (and there's a possibility there might not even be any other planets.) All direct and hard evidence indicates there is no life or even signs of life on any planet besides Earth. Though I could still vote for this option because there is obviously life extra to life on Terra, just not any from other planets as pop culture imagines.
2. If I vote No, I would have to nuance this as meaning aliens as pop culture means, that is to say sentient or non-sentient beings from another planet. It seems to me there is an abundance of life in the universe, but maybe we have been looking in the wrong places for it. Though I could still support this if the definition for extra-terrestial life is sentient or non-sentient being that live on another planet for which there is a complete and utter lack of proof for them, and curiously, a lack of hard indisputable proof for their planets. In fact, how do we even know stars are akin to our Sun? We don't know any of this and as a species have only been exploring space for 60 years. Thus it is entirely plausible there is no life on any other planet in all the universe.
3. If I vote that there are lower level non-sentient life forms living on other planets (animals, or extremely primitive sentients) then this vote would effectively mean nothing. Let's examine this in terms of theory under Yes there is aliens or No there is not. Either way low level life would be inconsequential. If Yes, there is life in the universe, but it is lower level than man, and man has only explored space for about 60 years, then we by our human standard cannot possibly detect or observe the low level aliens, and these low level aliens will almost certainly never be able to detect us or make themselves known. If No, there is not life in the universe then there all ready aren't animals/lower level forms on other planets and even if we had enough time to develop super star wars technology we will never detect or observe them. Thus their presence or absence is entirely meaningless from a human standpoint.
Though I could still vote for this if I nuanced it a bit because it seems there is certainly something made higher than mankind, but of a lower importance compared to mankind in the universe.
4. If I vote Yes I like Pineapple then I have to add that I only like Pineapple from Planet Earth. However, if you mean pineapple from another planet; then I would have to say No because there is no hard evidence there is even pineapple on other planets or that the other planets even exists. If we assume there to be lower level forms of pineapple on other planets then we'll never find them nor will they find us. Thus it is inconsequential whether the lower level alien pineapple exists or not. If we assume there are not pineapples on other planets then the point of lower level alien pineapples is all ready moot.
Though I could still vote for this option if I nuanced it a bit and said I Like Pineapple from Planet Earth.
Insects, fish, birds and animals are bound by sense and instinct and are not really free. They are not made in the image of God like Adam and Eve and their descendants. Being bound by sense and instinct, the lower creatures are not really free. They are not free to make moral choices of right and wrong and thus are not free to sin.
Lower creatures can be trained. Their behavior can be shaped by sense and instinct, education and environment but they are not really free.
For moral creatures, made in the image of God with the freedom to chose between good and evil, there is accountability for the use of that freedom and ability. To whom more is given, more is required. More is given to the human species than to lower species and more will be required. The human species will be resurrected like the God-Man Jesus Christ and then brought into judgment by the God-Man Jesus Christ.
"For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just..." (Words of Jesus as recorded in John 5:26-30)
God is just. He must punish sin. If there is mercy and pardon and forgiveness, it must be granted justly. There is pardon and forgiveness available for sinful humanity only because Jesus Christ was a fully qualified Redeemer, one in being with an infinite God, who became a man and willing suffered, shed His blood and died that He might take the place in punishment of members of sinful humanity. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Obey and love Him whom now you cannot see but will see later at the Judgment. Prayer: Lord, have mercy.
Lower creatures can be trained. Their behavior can be shaped by sense and instinct, education and environment but they are not really free.
For moral creatures, made in the image of God with the freedom to chose between good and evil, there is accountability for the use of that freedom and ability. To whom more is given, more is required. More is given to the human species than to lower species and more will be required. The human species will be resurrected like the God-Man Jesus Christ and then brought into judgment by the God-Man Jesus Christ.
"For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just..." (Words of Jesus as recorded in John 5:26-30)
God is just. He must punish sin. If there is mercy and pardon and forgiveness, it must be granted justly. There is pardon and forgiveness available for sinful humanity only because Jesus Christ was a fully qualified Redeemer, one in being with an infinite God, who became a man and willing suffered, shed His blood and died that He might take the place in punishment of members of sinful humanity. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Obey and love Him whom now you cannot see but will see later at the Judgment. Prayer: Lord, have mercy.
When chimpanzees hunt they can use weapons and can work together to direct prey in a certain direction so that the others of the group can kill them. Now, apart from the complete lack of evidence for or to the contrary, what's to stop some "space chimps" from coming down in a flying saucer and working together with tools to hunt or attack humans?
Let's say they're governed by instinct. Let's say they have no spirit and when they die then they stay dead. Would that stop a particularly intelligent and curious animal from working together with others of its kind to go into space and visit other planets? Let's work with what we already know:1. Angels are one form of extraterrestrial
2. Some angels have bodies and spirits
3. Angels have free will
4. Angels are capable of higher thought
5. Angels are probably not made in God's image
6. Angels have visited this Earth and have interacted with us
7. We're not told if there was a plan of redemption for angels or if angels that sin are able to return to God, but we know that some chose God and some did not
8. So what's to stop other extraterrestrials with these qualities from existing and interacting with us?
When chimpanzees hunt they can use weapons and can work together to direct prey in a certain direction so that the others of the group can kill them. Now, apart from the complete lack of evidence for or to the contrary, what's to stop some "space chimps" from coming down in a flying saucer and working together with tools to hunt or attack humans?
1. Angels are one form of extraterrestrial
2. Some angels have bodies and spirits
3. Angels have free will
4. Angels are capable of higher thought
5. Angels are probably not made in God's image
6. Angels have visited this Earth and have interacted with us
7. We're not told if there was a plan of redemption for angels or if angels that sin are able to return to God, but we know that some chose God and some did not
8. So what's to stop other extraterrestrials with these qualities from existing and interacting with us?
Ah now this is some interesting ponderance indeed. Here's my own personal opinion on the 8 points
1. Sure we can call Angels a form of extra-terrestial since they are extra to Terra.
2. Now this might be up to debate. It seems to me they do have bodies and spirits. However, it also seems to me that we might not know what composes their true bodies. For that matter who is to say their spirits are not their bodies?
3. I agree, Angels have free will. This is demonstrated for the good and bad throughout the Bible, thus implying free will.
4. Hmm in terms of higher thought I suppose one must ask what you mean by higher thought. If you simply mean sentience and the ability to reason as we humans reason, I suppose that is true. If you mean they are smarter than humans, well there seems to be a few biblical examples that indicate not all are that wise though some are indeed wiser than most humans.
5. Since we do not know what is their true form it is hard to say whether or not they were made in God's image. All that we know for certain is man was made in God's image, so if Angels were also then they ought to resemble mankind in their true form.
6. Yes everyone knows that. Furthermore that interaction has been good, bad, and indifferent
7. We are actually told in the Bible that there is a plan for Angels. The Fallen Angels shall be reserved in everlasting chains of darkness. The good Angels will get to have everlasting life.
8. What's to stop other extra-terrestials from existing? Well the fact that all ready the Angels fit most the definitions thus leaving only the aliens from other planets to be defined as extra-terrestials. The problem here is there is no hard evidence for life or signs of life on other planets, no hard proof to prove there are even other planets outside the solar system, and for that matter no hard proof that the stars are the same as the Sun. While I can not tell you 100% if there are aliens from other planets, the evidence thus far weighs heavily on the side of there being none. So until some chimps walk out of a flying saucer, we have to operate from the facts we do know, which is that there are no signs of intellgent life from any other planet or star.
The Bible says seek and find, so I have been seeking for a while. The only problem is what I've found is rather unconventional to mainstream thinking. Right or wrong this is what I've calculated. God is Lord of the universe. He is the Creator. He created angels, humans and other beings. The other beings from other planets have physical bodies. I believe these may be the Sons of God from genesis who took the daughters of men as wives and disrupted the human bloodline. I believe angels are large and invisible to us but walk around among us watching. When Jesus healed a blind man he led them from the city He told him to open his eyes and say what he saw. He said I see men walking around like trees. Them Jesus touched him again then he saw normal but Christ told him not to tell anyone. I think Jesus opened his eyes to the spiritual realm invisible to us. I believe some of the aliens follow Lucifer. Some believe there are many aliens walking among us today and some that live in the earth. I'm not saying they do but the Bible states every knee bow, all in heaven, on the earth and under the earth. I don't know if that's a reference to those in heaven, on earth and those who are buried or Jesus knew something we don't. I also find it interesting that God is always in a cloud or that's just the only way they could describe the vehicle. It seems as if aliens were here at one point posing as gods. There are groups in high places that believe they are sons of the Nephilim. Whether this is all garbage or not I'm not entirely sure but it does cause one to open ones eyes a little wider to possibilities.
I agree it's somewhat debateable, but I lean toward them having a body and a spirit. Here the passage from the Bible that I'm thinking of:
Ezekiel 1:20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
Notice that they are living creatures and they have spirits that are encapsulated within what seems to be a physical form. And I'm pretty sure this is talking about angels.
Very valid point and very intriguing too. That last part is especially of interest. I agree to your point, but I would still maintain that we do not know what exactly composes of their physical form, materialistically speaking. Still though definantly a point worthy of ponderance right there.
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Well if you are a Christian, and believe truely the bible fuilly. you will noticed in the bible its says God created the heavens and the earth, Not Created heavens and the earth and other planets. By thinking that there are other Extraterrestrials? you saying you dont believe in God words? Thats up to you. But if God created other being, other than humans, angels, he would of told us right?
You say sure God made us in hi image, then you say perhaps there are other beings? you either believe in God or dont, simple,.
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You been watching too many Movies and TV. lol next you be saying you believe in the lockness monster, or little tiny fairies in your garden. You can see who is behind all this crazy beliefs.
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I wrote in another post a few weeks ago on this subject, My son and I witnessed and videoed large orbs back in 2010 on many occasions from car size to helicopter size some of which where pretty low.
Anyways I was convinced after seeing similar videos some of which changed shape or morphed that indeed we witnessed ETs...however certain events led me to the conclusion they were a spiritual entities and not a good one at that.
I was obsessed with the subject for some time but my findings eventually lead my to my belief in God and praying at which point these almost nightly sightings stopped.
So no I do not believe in ETs but I do believe in pineapple
Anyways I was convinced after seeing similar videos some of which changed shape or morphed that indeed we witnessed ETs...however certain events led me to the conclusion they were a spiritual entities and not a good one at that.
I was obsessed with the subject for some time but my findings eventually lead my to my belief in God and praying at which point these almost nightly sightings stopped.
So no I do not believe in ETs but I do believe in pineapple
Not necessarily. Maybe he plans on it, but hasn't yet. Maybe the reason he hasn't yet is for the same reason he didn't mention each individual creature that he created. Maybe it's beside the point. Maybe since african desert rain frogs don't have a lot to do with us he doesn't seem it's of prime importance to go out of his way to mention them. And yet we know they exist. Could be the same for other creatures out there.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.
He could've told us any number of things about the universe that we know now but didn't before. Like how our world isn't the only world and there are others. I just don't see how extending the level of detail God has invested in this Earth to the cosmos equates to God not existing. If God created life on this Earth he could've created it elsewhere. He created the Earth. And he created the heavens. What we're not told is with what amount of detail he created the heavens.