Are these beliefs sufficient for salvation?

[stonesoffire]

The best way to get answers to questions is to find the biblical definition of a word, then with software do a topical search for how God sees.

Justified means to be rendered innocent. That is beyond forgiveness.

Just giving the best way to find answers.

 

[wolfwint]

That Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for my sins, that Jesus rose again on the third day, and that Jesus is Lord of all creation?

John 1,12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

 

[Waggles]

what if you are baptized in the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit? is that still ok?

That is how we do it when we baptize people
"On confession of your faith I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost."

 

[notuptome]

That is how we do it when we baptize people
"On confession of your faith I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost."

Jesus left us with a commission to evangelize not baptize except to baptize in the word of God.

Acts 1: 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

That is how we do it when we baptize people
"On confession of your faith I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost."

No real difference between a wet sinner and a dry sinner.

Philip told the eunuch that he had to believe before he went into the water.

Ac 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jackson123]

That depends on whether that member accepted Christ Jesus as his savior. Just because you attend a church does not necessary mean you believe in Jesus as your savior.

So if he believe in Jesus murder will be still go to heaven?

 

[Jackson123]

Following God and loving His will reduces our sinning to a much lower level....

So people who believe in God and agree with His standards will break those standards from time to time.. But if they never believed and agreed with God they would sin much more often..

So yes loving God does not eliminate sin in a person life..

All people sin those that are Christian are forgiven their sins.. Those that do not believe God and trust the Atonement of Jesus are not forgiven their sins...

It only takes 1 sin to desqualify an unforgiven person from eternal life with God because God is PERFECT and therefore His ""Pass Mark"" is 100% .... To God 99.99% is a failure..

Yep I agree.

Believe in God will reduce sin, it may not eliminate sin, bu at least reduce sin.

And I also love God will course people love other and bear fruit.

And the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love.

So if people no show mercy at all, I doubt he is a Christian though he may member of the church, or perform a miracle

God say by the fruit you tell the tree.

It mean there is correlation between faith in God and loving work.

 

[Guojing]

So if he believe in Jesus murder will be still go to heaven?

Are you aware that, according to the Law, there is really no such thing as big and small sin when it comes to justification? All of us are willfully sinning without even realizing it. According to the Law,

What is not of faith is of sin Romans 14:23
If you know what is good and you don't do it, that is sin James 4:17

Any husband here loves his wife as Christ love the church?
Any wife loves her husband until she reverence him? Ephesians 5:33

That is sin, and we commit sin every day in so many ways. We tend to think in terms of big sins and little sins, but according to James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

So if you want to be strict about it, everyone of us are a slave to sin under the Law, if you define sin as a verb.

Fortunately however, Paul taught us that it is sin as a noun that we have died to, and we are no longer under Law. When you are no longer under the Law, sin cannot be imputed to you.

 

[Guojing]

This is where one has to go, how can all these sentiments be true, yet they could contradict.
No fear in love, ie because we walk in love and have not transgressed the law we have no fear.
Fear in this context is fear of judgement and condemnation.

Paul calls us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. This is reverence knowing we
do not deserve forgiveness, it is Gods grace, so we should respect this and uphold His ways
in whatever way we can, empowered by the Holy Spirit and a new heart.

Fear of others who do us harm is wisdom, unless God has promised us to deliver us.
So Peter in prison was praising the Lord, whether he lived or died he knew he was in the Lord,
and found himself delivered by an angel to the street.

I will leave it to you to work out all these for yourself. My view is that the Rev 21 passage is not applicable to the church because we will be raptured before the Great White Throne Judgement, which is not for us.

But if you want to consider that passage as relevant to the church, then yes, you have to grapple with the fact that fearful and unbelieving appears first.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I will leave it to you to work out all these for yourself. My view is that the Rev 21 passage is not applicable to the church because we will be raptured before the Great White Throne Judgement, which is not for us.

But if you want to consider that passage as relevant to the church, then yes, you have to grapple with the fact that fearful and unbelieving appears first.

I agree with you that our framework of interpretation puts each passage in a particular
context.

A few months ago one member when quoting being yoked with Jesus, they added extra words for
me and not themselves. Once you can start to add meaning where the words do not have any
things can go wrong. But this is what the Lord has allowed us all to do if we want.

So though Paul says we will stand before the Lord and give account, you are saying no, he is speaking
to unbelievers, because the believers are raptured away. Is there a problem giving account to God?

If we stand before the Lord redeemed, purified and made whole, surely this is a testimony of rejoicing.
So maybe ones conscience is causing bigger problems than is being admitted.

 

[Guojing]

So though Paul says we will stand before the Lord and give account, you are saying no, he is speaking
to unbelievers, because the believers are raptured away. Is there a problem giving account to God?

When we are raptured before the Tribulation begins, we will indeed be standing in the Bema seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10). But its not for deciding whether we are saved or not, because that issue was already settled when you accept Christ during the Grace dispensation. Its for rewards for the things done on earth after you are saved.

 

[Jackson123]

Are you aware that, according to the Law, there is really no such thing as big and small sin when it comes to justification? All of us are willfully sinning without even realizing it. According to the Law,

What is not of faith is of sin Romans 14:23
If you know what is good and you don't do it, that is sin James 4:17

Any husband here loves his wife as Christ love the church?
Any wife loves her husband until she reverence him? Ephesians 5:33

That is sin, and we commit sin every day in so many ways. We tend to think in terms of big sins and little sins, but according to James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

So if you want to be strict about it, everyone of us are a slave to sin under the Law, if you define sin as a verb.

Fortunately however, Paul taught us that it is sin as a noun that we have died to, and we are no longer under Law. When you are no longer under the Law, sin cannot be imputed to you.

If there is no big and small sin, why there is big and small punishment?

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Crimes-Punishments

 

[Guojing]

If there is no big and small sin, why there is big and small punishment?

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Crimes-Punishments

I mentioned "for justification", in terms of whether you are justified in God's eyes or not, when it comes to being rescued from hell.

Incidentally, there is also a reason why all those verses you used are all under the Law of Moses.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

When we are raptured before the Tribulation begins, we will indeed be standing in the Bema seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10). But its not for deciding whether we are saved or not, because that issue was already settled when you accept Christ during the Grace dispensation. Its for rewards for the things done on earth after you are saved.

Let me put this simply, appearing before Jesus or the Father is the same.
We will all give account. And in the ways of things, being taken is only going to happen
to a few who are alive when Jesus returns. For most of us we will die, and go to be with
the Lord.

When people fear the great white throne, this testifies more to their conscience and their
walk than their knowledge of the love of Christ. The cross is founded on love, and how much
God loves us, if we are willing to follow and accept His terms. A faith with no terms is no
cross at all. The cross exists so that we might humble ourselves, repent, and walk in love,
which changes us and everything we do.

The cross is the remedy to judgement, the statement forgiveness and understanding. But
it is also brutal, to break, to be humble, to surrender, to be open, to be listening and learning.

 

[Guojing]

Let me put this simply, appearing before Jesus or the Father is the same.
We will all give account. And in the ways of things, being taken is only going to happen
to a few who are alive when Jesus returns. For most of us we will die, and go to be with
the Lord.

If you don't believe in the rapture of the church, that is fine. We can agree to disagree. Cheers

 

[FollowHisSteps]

If you don't believe in the rapture of the church, that is fine. We can agree to disagree. Cheers

30 It will be the same on the day the Son of Man is revealed.
31 On that day, anyone who is on the roof, with his goods in the house, must not come down
to take them away, and likewise the person in the field must not turn back.
32 Remember Lot’s wife!
33 Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.
35 There will be two women grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”
Luke 17

Being taken is going to happen.
What happens after appears to be judgement, which is what happened with Noah, and Lot, so
this is set in the Lords words.

But this does not address giving account before the Lord.

 

[Jackson123]

I mentioned "for justification", in terms of whether you are justified in God's eyes or not, when it comes to being rescued from hell.

Incidentally, there is also a reason why all those verses you used are all under the Law of Moses.

So there is small sin and big sin, am I correct?

But both big and smal will be justified if people accept Jesus, that I agree but one must repent to be justified. One must invite Jesus to their heart, and Jesus in their heart will change them, Jesus have power to change murder to loving people.

Christian may fall in sin but it reduce compare with before they have Jesus in their heart.

If before baptized not a thief, after baptized become thief and murderer, I do not think he is save.

Before Christian murderer and thief, after Christian only thief, it may save.

 

[Petercito]

No, that’s not the right question. Don’t listen to what most people say. Listen to what Jesus says.

-Whoever has His commandments and obeys Him.
-Whoever forgives things done wrong against them
-Whoever picks up his cross and follows
-Whoever loves God with all their heart, mind and soul
-Whoever seeks Him
-Whoever loves their neighbors as himself

Here’s where most people aren’t making the connection:
According to the Law you needed a blood sacrifice to redeem your sins. Christ, the Son of the Most High is such a worthy offering that it is enough to atone for all your sins. This allows MAN back in his presence TO SERVE HIM!

Man was created to serve God. Instead we decided to serve the flesh and fall from grace. The road to the cross is the road back to God to once again serve Him in this life, for rewards in the next.

You can’t be saved without the Blood of Christ, but you weren’t saved to continue to serve the flesh.

Get it?

Where in the bible does it say man was created to serve God? It doesn't. That is something more like what satan desires.

God is a God of Love. He is called our Father in Heaven. We are brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, His Only Begotten Son. We were created to be a part of God's family. God desires Godly offspring, people have to choose to follow Him. He is looking for people who will love Him and be adopted into His family.