Are todays reformers 'Sola Scriptura' or 'Sola Systema'?

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In my opinion, the reformation became stagnant soon after it's inception, and a lot of error still remained. The reformation was never meant to stop reforming. To quote Banner of Truth...Writer I. John Hesselink ...

"It is rather audacious to claim that we are reformed. It can also be misleading when we call ourselves Reformed Churches. For this might imply that we believe that our denominations are truly reformed; or, even worse, that at some point in the past we were or became reformed and that the task of reform is basically finished. Whenever we imagine that the word “reformed” refers to an accomplishment rather than a perpetual obligation, we are presumptuous and deluded".

Ecclesia reformata semper reformanda est” – “A reformed church must always be reforming itself.” Luther, Calvin, Knox, they gave us a lot, but they were not infallible. There was still huge chunks of the Bible missing from their theology. There was obvious error. This was a direct result of the Catholic church that they came out of. While their understanding of Scripture gave us a lot to be thankful for, that same theology had error in it. These theological errors continue to poison Bible translations and the church today. Elevating their writings to a status where they can never be corrected turns those theologians into the very type of unquestionable authority the Reformers sought to dismantle.

"always reforming" does not mean changing core doctrines to fit modern cultural trends. But we must consider things like the Reformers "flattened" the transition between the Testaments and minimized the New Covenant reality of the Holy Spirit, and this is one place of many where the 16th-century Reformation fell short. This needs to be fixed, not worshipped.

Do you think that the acronym T.U.L.I.P., as the fixture that it is today, would be counter productive to “A reformed church must always be reforming itself."? It's like a fixture that should not be one. Scripture is sufficient to interpret Scripture. Martin Luther would have considered infant baptism a fixture, so would Calvin, though not for justification. This is the problem with fixtures outside the Bible defining itself. They aren't Scripture. But most of todays Calvinists treat T.U.L.I.P. that way.

I wouldn't call todays reformers 'Sola Scriptura'. They are more 'Sola Systema'. :) The system is the fixture that defines Scripture, and in my opinion, has become an idol in and of itself.

Try to get a Calvinist to see Scripture apart from using the systems interpretation of total depravity as a foundation to interpret it. They won't, and they can't, It just won't happen. Their definition of total depravity is off. This is simply replacing the Catholic church with the system. And that's not allowing for any reformation of the opinions of Scripture from the first reformers. It stonewalls any corrections.

Thoughts?
 
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In my opinion, the reformation became stagnant soon after it's inception, and a lot of error still remained. The reformation was never meant to stop reforming. To quote Banner of Truth...Writer I. John Hesselink ...

"It is rather audacious to claim that we are reformed. It can also be misleading when we call ourselves Reformed Churches. For this might imply that we believe that our denominations are truly reformed; or, even worse, that at some point in the past we were or became reformed and that the task of reform is basically finished. Whenever we imagine that the word “reformed” refers to an accomplishment rather than a perpetual obligation, we are presumptuous and deluded".

Ecclesia reformata semper reformanda est” – “A reformed church must always be reforming itself.” Luther, Calvin, Knox, they gave us a lot, but they were not infallible. There was still huge chunks of the Bible missing from their theology. There was obvious error. This was a direct result of the Catholic church that they came out of. While their understanding of Scripture gave us a lot to be thankful for, that same theology had error in it. These theological errors continue to poison Bible translations and the church today. Elevating their writings to a status where they can never be corrected turns those theologians into the very type of unquestionable authority the Reformers sought to dismantle.

"always reforming" does not mean changing core doctrines to fit modern cultural trends. But we must consider things like the Reformers "flattened" the transition between the Testaments and minimized the New Covenant reality of the Holy Spirit, and this is one place of many where the 16th-century Reformation fell short. This needs to be fixed, not worshipped.

Do you think that the acronym T.U.L.I.P., as the fixture that it is today, would be counter productive to “A reformed church must always be reforming itself."? It's like a fixture that should not be one. Scripture is sufficient to interpret Scripture. Martin Luther would have considered infant baptism a fixture, so would Calvin, though not for justification. This is the problem with fixtures outside the Bible defining itself. They aren't Scripture. But most of todays Calvinists treat T.U.L.I.P. that way.

I wouldn't call todays reformers 'Sola Scriptura'. They are more 'Sola Systema'. :) The system is the fixture that defines Scripture, and in my opinion, has become an idol in and of itself.

Try to get a Calvinist to see Scripture apart from using the systems interpretation of total depravity as a foundation to interpret it. They won't, and they can't, It just won't happen. Their definition of total depravity is off. This is simply replacing the Catholic church with the system. And that's not allowing for any reformation of the opinions of Scripture from the first reformers. It stonewalls any corrections.

Thoughts?
Your core point is thoughtful and worth taking seriously: the Reformation was never meant to freeze doctrine in the 16th century, and any system — including TULIP — becomes counter‑productive the moment it stops being a tool and starts functioning as an untouchable fixture.
The Reformers themselves insisted that Scripture reforms us continually, not that their own conclusions should become permanent boundaries.
When a system becomes the lens through which every passage must be interpreted, it stops being Sola Scriptura and becomes what you called Sola Systema — Scripture filtered through a framework that cannot be questioned.
And you’re right that this can prevent believers from re‑examining assumptions, especially where the Reformers carried over categories shaped by the medieval church.
“Always reforming” doesn’t mean chasing trends; it means letting Scripture correct even our most cherished theological structures.
In that sense, yes — treating TULIP as a fixed, unquestionable grid can hinder the very ongoing reformation the Reformers believed was essential.
 
In my opinion, the reformation became stagnant soon after it's inception, and a lot of error still remained. The reformation was never meant to stop reforming. To quote Banner of Truth...Writer I. John Hesselink ...

"It is rather audacious to claim that we are reformed. It can also be misleading when we call ourselves Reformed Churches. For this might imply that we believe that our denominations are truly reformed; or, even worse, that at some point in the past we were or became reformed and that the task of reform is basically finished. Whenever we imagine that the word “reformed” refers to an accomplishment rather than a perpetual obligation, we are presumptuous and deluded".

Ecclesia reformata semper reformanda est” – “A reformed church must always be reforming itself.” Luther, Calvin, Knox, they gave us a lot, but they were not infallible. There was still huge chunks of the Bible missing from their theology. There was obvious error. This was a direct result of the Catholic church that they came out of. While their understanding of Scripture gave us a lot to be thankful for, that same theology had error in it. These theological errors continue to poison Bible translations and the church today. Elevating their writings to a status where they can never be corrected turns those theologians into the very type of unquestionable authority the Reformers sought to dismantle.

"always reforming" does not mean changing core doctrines to fit modern cultural trends. But we must consider things like the Reformers "flattened" the transition between the Testaments and minimized the New Covenant reality of the Holy Spirit, and this is one place of many where the 16th-century Reformation fell short. This needs to be fixed, not worshipped.

Do you think that the acronym T.U.L.I.P., as the fixture that it is today, would be counter productive to “A reformed church must always be reforming itself."? It's like a fixture that should not be one. Scripture is sufficient to interpret Scripture. Martin Luther would have considered infant baptism a fixture, so would Calvin, though not for justification. This is the problem with fixtures outside the Bible defining itself. They aren't Scripture. But most of todays Calvinists treat T.U.L.I.P. that way.

I wouldn't call todays reformers 'Sola Scriptura'. They are more 'Sola Systema'. :) The system is the fixture that defines Scripture, and in my opinion, has become an idol in and of itself.

Try to get a Calvinist to see Scripture apart from using the systems interpretation of total depravity as a foundation to interpret it. They won't, and they can't, It just won't happen. Their definition of total depravity is off. This is simply replacing the Catholic church with the system. And that's not allowing for any reformation of the opinions of Scripture from the first reformers. It stonewalls any corrections.

Thoughts?
Good post. Would you mind elaborating on your statement: Their definition of total depravity is off

How do Calvinists define it, how do you define it?
 
Good post. Would you mind elaborating on your statement: Their definition of total depravity is off

How do Calvinists define it, how do you define it?

Thanks for the reply. I'll try to keep it simple.

Calvinism defines total depravity as man having all evil thoughts and evil desires all the time from his flesh unless he is born again. Not as evil as he can be, or thinking as evil as he can think, but evil none the less. From that thinking, they reason, that only the 'life' can bring a pure, thus a genuine faith that God would accept. From that, they also reason, that man must have the 'life' already in him, being indwelt, before he can initially believe the Gospel. They see the initial belief and the the ongoing faith as the same.

I believe that the initial faith and the ongoing faith, called the life are distinct, yet both can be from God's grace. Follow...

Anything good that we do by the righteous standards of the Law, God's character, is from the Spirit of God in us, a gift, and our flesh cannot produce that same good, thus be righteous, by those same standards, that's what total depravity is. When separated from God, which is what we inherited from Adam, we are unplugged from the source of good, and incapable of doing anything that would be called righteous, by God's standards, from the flesh, and are incapable of justifying ourselves.

The missing element in these discussions is God grace given to man before he believes, the Light, His presence, and His Word, which could be seen as the same power. A prevenient grace. It can be rejected. The grace that we're given as a result of our initial belief, is the life, the Holy spirit indwelling, the gift, this is what is eternally secured, and what Jesus started and promises to finish.

Being born again is simultaneous to receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit. We receive that indwelling as the result of believing. At that moment we first trust in Christ Jesus, we're placed into Christ's death (Galatians 2:20), and raised up with Him (Ephesians 2:6), born again. Romans 6:3-11 shows the whole thing, explained nicely, starting with the spiritual baptism with/by the Holy Spirit by faith.

Think of the Light that draws a person, not as putting goodness into them, so that they can respond likewise, rather it's more like truth being illuminated, so that a dull, hardened heart which has become hard of hearing can see and understand, and thus respond, with a desire to know that Light, or a desire to put that Light out. Negatively or positively.

So in the OT, as recorded in John, when Jesus spoke in parables to the so that they would not believe, along with a judicial hardening, thus fulfilling Isaiah, one must ask why it also says that Jesus spoke in parables "lest they hear and believe"? How could they believe? The light, Jesus, God's presence was there (John 12:35-36), that's how. If the Word was spoken plainly without a veil, they could have believed, even dull hard of hearing judicially hardened, could have heard and believed if the Word was not veiled. John 6:63 says God's Word is spirit and life. Some might say that if the veil were lifted, the sheer weight of God’s glory standing right in front of them would compel faith in the Gospel, rather than fostering the genuine, loving faith that Jesus sought.

I'm out of time.