Are we in the great tribulation
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No. Definitely not. The kingdom is not restored to Israel UNTIL they, the nation and people, suffer the GT, the time of Jacob's trouble......FIRST. In the midst of the GT, they cry out to the Lord Jesus for deliverance, which TRIGGERS THE SECOND COMING!
Act 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Mat 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 13:35
Behold, your house (THE HOUSE OF JACOB) is left unto you (JEWS) desolate: and verily I say unto you (JEWS), Ye (JEWS) shall not see me, until the time come when ye (THE NATION) shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (PS 118).
Act 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive UNTIL the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Of course the nephilimic hybrid "Satan-man", the latter day Judas, the Goliath to come has not yet been revealed.how many times does the man of lawlessness need to be revealed
Why?
Because the rapture has yet to occurr.
And.....the Jews (along with the whole world) wiil AT FIRST think that the man of sin is their Messiah. Furthermore, this unkillabe ubeatable ultimate warrior Goliath-like Satan-man counterfeit is resurrected literally and indwelt by Satan after Satan is kicked out of heaven after the yet future war of Rev 12.
Get a clue man.
I use the term "Great" tribulation to refer to the pouring out of God's wrath, and no, Christians are not appointed to wrath.would you say this means we will be here during the great tribulation
Absolutely positively not. Boilerplate doctrine......if you care to study it.
All believers must go through tribulation and my understanding is that this tribulation began after the Lord's ascension. At the end of the age you get the "harvest" where the wheat is taken to the barn indicating the rapture.the scripture you posted said plain and simple Gods wrath will not touch Gods children.
Can God not make that happen during the great tribulation or do we have to removed from the great tribulation for that to happen
With God all things are possible
The tares are tied up into bundles and burned. That indicates judgment and God's wrath.
The book of revelation uses terms like "first fruits", "harvest" and "gleanings" which refer to the fact that the harvest is never in one day. Some will ripen first, others will be the last things gleaned. In addition there are several crops, we have wheat and we also have grapes or fruit. These are harvested at different times in the summer.
So I definitely subscribe to what is commonly called "pre trib" rapture but makes no sense so I call it
"pre 70th week" rapture which makes sense but doesn't sound as good. I also subscribe to a mid trib rapture as I think the majority of people saved and raptured during the first 3 1/2 years of the 70th week will come out of the tribulation, many by martyrdom. Then Israel gets saved as a nation at the end of the 70th week.
ok thanks for your views
.The story goes every individual must endure untill the end, but doesn't that mean there end.
We read in scripture that during the great tribulation people will still have the chance to be saved.
But do I believe that no one will be saved after three and a half years of the great tribulation
If the belief is yes no one will be saved after 3 and half years what would be the point in continuing the great tribulation
Revelation 13:7-8
New International Version
7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[a]
How should this be interpreted
Shouldn't it be interpreted as all who names are not in lambs book of life will not have authority over Satan ?
And shouldn't It be those who do have authority over Satan will not receive the mark when he comes. As in now because he's already here
Meaning Christians will not be touched so no need to be raptures
Then I go to my other concerns which is the rapture beliefs poses two comings of the lord, but the bible only indicates one more coming of the lord
New International Version
7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[a]
How should this be interpreted
Shouldn't it be interpreted as all who names are not in lambs book of life will not have authority over Satan ?
And shouldn't It be those who do have authority over Satan will not receive the mark when he comes. As in now because he's already here
Meaning Christians will not be touched so no need to be raptures
Then I go to my other concerns which is the rapture beliefs poses two comings of the lord, but the bible only indicates one more coming of the lord
Seems some of your questions are redundant none the less for me what I have heard all my life then looked into I would have to say we are not in the great tribulation. I mean no offense but you would haver to toss out ignore so much of what is written to believe it already happened or were in it right now. If were in it oh it must be the 3.5 good years huh and the Antichrist is what on holiday? He would be out in the open which means He that holds the lawless one back was already taken out of the way. The fact were still here should tell you all you need to know. Again for me we know God has not changed. We know GOD gave you and me all authority and power over the enemy. Do you understand what that means? There is no demon no fallen angle/Satan no antichrist that can stand against us aka the Church.
God can not take Christ out of us to give Satan power over us for greater is He that is in us then he that is in the world. Then not even touching the sweet sweet holy Spirit that is in us forever. There is nothing in all creation that can stand against us. By this I mean well its like a BJ Thomas song "The devil won't know it's me he'll see God there". Christ who only said what the Father said " I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.". Oh do you know have any idea what that means? Its not someday going to happen we are one. We are seated in heavenly places.
"All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,"
So many get stuck seeing only the natural which is not real. So no we are not in the great tribulation. I think its at the door though. Every moment that goes by Israel is hated more and more and that is your time clock not the USA not the "Christians". It was always will be about Israel
God can not take Christ out of us to give Satan power over us for greater is He that is in us then he that is in the world. Then not even touching the sweet sweet holy Spirit that is in us forever. There is nothing in all creation that can stand against us. By this I mean well its like a BJ Thomas song "The devil won't know it's me he'll see God there". Christ who only said what the Father said " I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.". Oh do you know have any idea what that means? Its not someday going to happen we are one. We are seated in heavenly places.
"All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,"
So many get stuck seeing only the natural which is not real. So no we are not in the great tribulation. I think its at the door though. Every moment that goes by Israel is hated more and more and that is your time clock not the USA not the "Christians". It was always will be about Israel
People just do not get it.
Was Goliath a giant of a character? Unmistakable when present? A MILITARILY "UNBEATABLE" ENTITIY that intentionally blasphemes the God of Israel? Struck down and killed EFFORTLESSLY by the Shepard of Israel David a type of Christ?
So will be the AC. He will be the greater Satan-man Nephilim hybrid, and he will be struck down EFFORTLESSLY by the Greater David Jesus Christ.......AT HIS RETURN!
Ipso facto the tribulation has not yet even begun, because the son of perdition, the greater Judas has yet to arise. Because when he does, everybody will BE DECEIVED by him, thinking this COUNTERFEIT is the Messiah......most importantly ISRAEL.
Wake up everybody.
Oh and another thing:
The TIMING of the rapture of the Church is an absolutely secret event, THE TIMING OF WHICH is known only by The Trinity.
When the rapture finally DOES occur, then and only then does Satan move rapidly for his the last effort at damning as many sons of Adam is possible via the mark of the beast.
Of course Satans plan is always to represent himself as the counterfeit ("I will be LIKE the Most High") of the True God. Timing of this effort is patently obvious and intentional........during the tribulation just before the Second Coming.