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No I am the decendant of Job,
I'm poor, needy, rejected by every one and the problems keep piling up and Im past the point of cursing the day I was born lol.
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LandryM
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If you take the Bible literally, yes we're all descendants of Noah, which would imply we're all inbred (the interbreeding of such a small group of people would not allow for the genetic diversity we have today).However the flood story is likely not factual as it directly parallels the Epic of Gilgamesh which outdates the biblical story.
Wrong. Considering the bible represents the most precisely ordered, and detailed accounts of ancient historic events. Interbreeding goes back to the beginning of mankind, since all humans came from Adam and Eve. Remember the gene pool was also a lot stronger then.
The epic of Gilgamesh is a poem consisting of different translated pieces thought to be based on some older story, but are not that old in themselves. The Genesis account of Noah and the flood may be recorded in writing by Moses, but its natural, and logical to assume it was passed on by Noah himself, which would make it older than the epic of Gilgamesh. The epic of Gilgamesh could be based on a similar source though.
The epic of Gilgamesh is considered mythological, and no doubt a story made up by Sumerians to glorify their earlier ancestors, as Gilgamesh was an earlier Sumerian king.
Actually Phil, the Bible doesn't have a very accurate timeline, most biblical events can't be cross referenced by any other outside sources, the only way to confirm the events of the Bible requires circular logic referring to itself, a logical fallacy in it of itself. Also there is no room in biology to make a claim that genes can or ever could hold enough information to propagate all of humanity,if that is what you mean by strong genes. We certainly wouldn't have the biodiversity we do today and genetic flaws would be rampant if any of the biblical accounts of straight line genology were true.
That sounds more like your personal opinion than factual. For instance, many civilizations have an account of a great flood. Why would so many people groups need to have a similar story? This in itself points to the natural realization their was one, even if the dates can not all be agreed on. Remembering also, a lot of earlier accounts were handed down by word of mouth, and not all recorded in writing until later dates. Because of such, details can change and parts added for alternative reasons, aka: glorifying of certain peoples. As Christians we know the bible to be inspired, and guided by God's wisdom so as to remain as accurate as possible. Compared to a lot of other earlier works, it doesn't take much to see the fundamental detail and care given to its passages.
So with your logic, you are saying there can only be one type of human ever born. Example: a man with brown eyes, brown hair, and brown skin.
So with your logic, you are saying there can only be one type of human ever born. Example: a man with brown eyes, brown hair, and brown skin.
Personal opinion, yes, a personal opinion backed by archaeology and genetics. One type of human born ever, no, we have genetic diversity, your creating a straw man fallacy. In fact we have actually gained genetic diversity over time and interracial and transcontinental breeding.
I will agree that some archaeology makes for great evidence, when it is not distorted for other agendas. My hat goes off to those who do it properly.
I agree that time has helped with the diversity, but do you not believe that humans come from humans?
I agree that time has helped with the diversity, but do you not believe that humans come from humans?
If we're not, then we are the descendants of apes..
Yep... looks like we're from apes
(...only joking...)
Yep... looks like we're from apes
(...only joking...)
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NoNameMcgee
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i could do something today
that you write an inaccurate story about...
then my great grandson who has been told accurate information could write a true account of what happened 100 years after you wrote your false story
even if you were correct about what pre-dates what
its a silly argument to try and base fact off of
The fact that so many civilizations and cultures throughout the world have similar stories about a great deluge occurring, gives merit to this event actually taking place. In addition, the “inbreeding” (as some like to put it) that would have occurred afterwards, can actually be proven within DNA itself. Science confirms a near extinction event did most likely take place in humanities past. It is also referred to as a population or genetic bottleneck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842629/
Additionally, science confirms that we all descended from a single man, known as Scientific or Y-chromosomal Adam, and a single woman, known as Mitochondrial Eve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the biblical accounts within Genesis being true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842629/
Additionally, science confirms that we all descended from a single man, known as Scientific or Y-chromosomal Adam, and a single woman, known as Mitochondrial Eve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the biblical accounts within Genesis being true.
Wellll Noah had 4 sons, and it is considered that we have about 3-4 "major" races. (lol, funny image I know)
But who knows, maybe families were more diverse back then? Anyway realistically I think that if Noah took his family with him that would include his sons, their wives(possibly more than one per son), their children(who may have been old enough to have wives of their own), any servants that belonged to them, and maybe even more generations considering the life span of people during that time.
I'm pretty sure that the flood isn't the only Judaism event that is shared globally, but it's difficult to pinpoint them because Creationist scientists get little to no credit so even if they do find something it's hard to get the info out there. And we all must have some sort of common ancestor anyhow- even with differing races, we aren't different enough to come from completely different sources. We wouldn't all be human if that were the case. We would be like horses and donkeys, lions and tigers, chimps and Apes... instead, we're more like varying dog or cat breeds-which were also created from a lot of interbreeding FYI. (Healthy mutts for the win!)
What I want to know is what ethnicities that died during the flood- and if any of the "mutations" we see occurring in people today are just ancient genes from dead races that occasionally get enough dominance to become present? (Silly example most probably because I'm not scientifically minded just a silly thinker, but what if heterochromia was a defining attribute of a race that no longer exists?)
But who knows, maybe families were more diverse back then? Anyway realistically I think that if Noah took his family with him that would include his sons, their wives(possibly more than one per son), their children(who may have been old enough to have wives of their own), any servants that belonged to them, and maybe even more generations considering the life span of people during that time.
I'm pretty sure that the flood isn't the only Judaism event that is shared globally, but it's difficult to pinpoint them because Creationist scientists get little to no credit so even if they do find something it's hard to get the info out there. And we all must have some sort of common ancestor anyhow- even with differing races, we aren't different enough to come from completely different sources. We wouldn't all be human if that were the case. We would be like horses and donkeys, lions and tigers, chimps and Apes... instead, we're more like varying dog or cat breeds-which were also created from a lot of interbreeding FYI. (Healthy mutts for the win!)
What I want to know is what ethnicities that died during the flood- and if any of the "mutations" we see occurring in people today are just ancient genes from dead races that occasionally get enough dominance to become present? (Silly example most probably because I'm not scientifically minded just a silly thinker, but what if heterochromia was a defining attribute of a race that no longer exists?)