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So which man do we go to to untwist ?
I would agree if every man was not a liar as one who do break a comandment by sinning then we could look to man.
But which one?
One is our infalible teacher in heaven .Why would we make the faith of God as the labor of His love thatworks in us to no effect. Because you say we ned a man to teach us.
For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God? God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment. Rom 3:3
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Do we need a man to teach us? The Catholics say yes.
It would appear man added to the commandment of God (neither shall ye touch it)
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.Gen 3:2
It would appear man lied to woman in the garden.
Is God served by mans hands,lips? Is he helpless without man?
Are you a Catholic?
From the above article
At least sixty-two textual studies argue that 14.34–5 is a later addition. J. Fitzmyer notes that ‘the majority of commentators today’ regard vv. 34–5 as a later addition. K. Haines-Eitzen affirms this of ‘[n]early all scholars now’. Verses 34–5 silence women in church three times without any qualification. Chapter 11, however, guides how women should prophesy, and chapter 14, vv. 5, 24 (3x), 26 and 31 affirm ‘all’ speaking in church. Popular resolutions of this apparent contradiction limit 14.34–5's demand for silence only to disruptive chatter or, recently contrived, only to judging prophecies. These resolutions should be rejected since they permit speech v. 35 prohibits, namely asking questions from a desire to learn. In light of substantial evidence that vv. 34–5 were originally a marginal gloss and no evidence that any other block of text was added at this gap, these verses are the obvious candidate for the multi-word addition signalled by this distigme plus characteristic bar.
Since it is a joint gift of ministry(two are as one) a person cannot be a single man and not interested in another persepective.
He would need a woman or there is no two fold ministry .
Pastors wives never seem to get enough credit. They are like the silent partners .
1Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Subjugation of women was a characteristic of Roman culture. With Tertullian, a Roman church father, there seems to be a confluence of Roman misogyny with the Christian faith.
From the article above.
More from Cato
As I've noted before, the feminism movement has given me abortion in the guise of woman's right. The children of darkness have Margaret Sanger, who is given a microphone, megaphone, telephone, and anything she needs to further her cause. Meanwhile, on 'this' side of the battle, there are those that present themselves as children of light who tell me, "Hush, woman, be quiet. Let the men handle all this." as having no need of my help. And this furthers who's cause? How is that working out?
I do appreciate and pray God bless these men, here especially, that shine as true sons of light, otherwise I would have despaired by now of the condition in which I otherwise have been so blessed to be born.
I do appreciate and pray God bless these men, here especially, that shine as true sons of light, otherwise I would have despaired by now of the condition in which I otherwise have been so blessed to be born.
Notice how verses 34-35 (women are forbidden to speak) contradict what Paul said just prior in verses 5, 24 and 31 (I want you all to speak).
All can speak
Women can't speak (just shut your mouths!)
All can speak
- Now I want you all to speak with tongues, but even more that you may prophesy. The one who prophesies [is] greater than the one who speaks with tongues, unless he interprets, in order that the church may receive edification. (1 Corinthians 14:5)
- But if all prophesy, and some unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is judged by all, (1 Corinthians 14:24)
- For you are all able to prophesy in turn, in order that all may learn and all may be encouraged, (1 Corinthians 14:31)
Women can't speak (just shut your mouths!)
- the women must be silent in the churches, for it is not permitted for them to speak, but they must be in submission, just as the law also says. (1 Corinthians 14:34)
- But if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. (1 Corinthians 14:35)
The context in 1 Corinthians 14 concerning women is they are not permitted to speak in tongues in the assembly.
That's a man-made context. Women can prophesy in the assembly, which is greater than speaking in tongues. Prophesying is for the edification of the brethren, so it has to be done in their presence.
Every woman who prays or prophesies with uncovered head dishonors her head, for she is one and the same with the one
This is what was spoken through the prophet Joel: ‘And it will be in the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. And even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. Acts 2:16-18
This is what was spoken through the prophet Joel: ‘And it will be in the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. And even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. Acts 2:16-18
1 Cor 14:39
[FONT="]39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.[/FONT]
Lucy. Sorry to jump in.
I agree
everything was supposed to be done in an orderly manner and that was what Paul was concerned about
the whole of the body/church and how the whole of the body/church represented Christ (both to believers and unbelievers)
Thank you but I gather you guys came to an end here and now I’m jumping in to start it again?Jump in anytime. You've as much right to post as anyone else.
no thanks.
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Thank you but I gather you guys came to an end here and now I’m jumping in to start it again?
no thanks.
This is the BDF, there is no end to arguments. Just pauses.