Are you a body with a soul, or a soul with a body?
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I still would certainly hope that it's understood that the soul is that which is saved. Not the body or spirit.
James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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Justice without an offense? There will be no offender in that age.
"Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all."
"All" even includes the Son in this age to come. Since nothing was made apart from being made through Him (the Son) I believe that "all" means "all".
Consider eternal conscious torment of a 19 year old who never received Christ. Instead of quoting "His ways are mysterious" what rationale can we give for tormenting that girl in hellfire for eternity? We make all kinds of mythos about "Well, God works in mysterious ways" and "God's eternal character demands an equally eternal consequence", etc. Those stories were created to keep people in pews and scare people into conversion (which is no conversion at all).
No, they are destroyed. Along with the enemy and the demons.
"Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all."
"All" even includes the Son in this age to come. Since nothing was made apart from being made through Him (the Son) I believe that "all" means "all".
Consider eternal conscious torment of a 19 year old who never received Christ. Instead of quoting "His ways are mysterious" what rationale can we give for tormenting that girl in hellfire for eternity? We make all kinds of mythos about "Well, God works in mysterious ways" and "God's eternal character demands an equally eternal consequence", etc. Those stories were created to keep people in pews and scare people into conversion (which is no conversion at all).
No, they are destroyed. Along with the enemy and the demons.
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You are a tri-part being ----First your a Spirit Being ----you Possess a Soul and your Spirit and Soul are housed in a Temporal physical body which is needed to live in this Physical world -----
Many use the Spirit and soul interchangeably but the Scripture separated them ---Hebrews 4:12
We are made in God's image ---which is a Spirit being ----then God breathed life into us ---Soul and the body of dust houses these till we pass from this world ----
Many use the Spirit and soul interchangeably but the Scripture separated them ---Hebrews 4:12
We are made in God's image ---which is a Spirit being ----then God breathed life into us ---Soul and the body of dust houses these till we pass from this world ----
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7
“And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.”
Exodus 1:5
“All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons' wives, all the souls were threescore and six;”
Genesis 46:26
a living soul , is a living being. A body formed of the dust by God , in which God then breathed from within himself the spirit of life the mind and heart thoughts and identity of who we actually are inside character , personality , emotions and feelings ect . The part of us that is the “driver of the boat. “ the actual person inside
procreation then a design of God , Carrie’s on the process
the Bible also uses it to refer to the life or existence of the person.
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22
“Save your souls “
isn’t saying save a possession you have and can lose and still exist ,
it’s saying “ save you “
“receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”
1 Peter 1:9 KJV
“The saving of yourselves “ or your being. Your self or existence “ you “ are a living soul
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Upon our translation to heaven, Paul says in 1CR 15:35-54 that the earthly body will be changed into an immortal body. Presumably this also applies to the earthly human spirit (1THS 5:23), which is associated with the mind on PHP 2:2 and apparently substituted for the spirit in such verses as MT 22:37 & ACTS 4:32.
I appreciate the explanation, but your answer doesn't address God's purpose. If His purpose in eternity remains His glory, how does limiting the display of His justice accomplish this?
And what exactly is the appropriate punishment for an offense against a God who is eternal? We find in His forgiveness of sin eternal life. This certainly reflects the nature and glory of God. An equal and opposite response for unforgiveness seems to be the parallel response that would equally reflect and glory God.
You obviously disagree, but I'm struggling to understand why? I understand you believe it to be a different dispensation. I just don't see how the logic follows.
If you disregard the original offense, is it equally suitable to disregard the original forgiveness?
And what exactly is the appropriate punishment for an offense against a God who is eternal? We find in His forgiveness of sin eternal life. This certainly reflects the nature and glory of God. An equal and opposite response for unforgiveness seems to be the parallel response that would equally reflect and glory God.
You obviously disagree, but I'm struggling to understand why? I understand you believe it to be a different dispensation. I just don't see how the logic follows.
If you disregard the original offense, is it equally suitable to disregard the original forgiveness?
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O.K. I thought about it - didn't have TO PRAY, SINCE NONE OF IT MATTERS AT ALL. I'm a human being indwelled by the Holy Spirit who bears witness to MY spirit that I'm a child of GOD. Pretty soon I'll be Physically DEAD, but spiritually alive in God's Presence. What all of that means, I don't know, and neither do you.
So I'll just ignore the whole thing, and find out for myself shortly.
So I'll just ignore the whole thing, and find out for myself shortly.
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Adam was an adult when God created Him and so was eve ----God Breathed into their souls ---so they became a living soul
Today that is not the case ----a fetus is formed from an egg and sperm ----then during the pregnancy the Baby develops a soul ----so a baby will possess a Soul at some point ---
there are different views on when the soul is formed in the fetus
From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensou...ious views are that,of the uterus (viability).
In the time of Aristotle, it was widely believed that the human soul entered the forming body at 40 days (male embryos) or 90 days (female embryos), and quickening was an indication of the presence of a soul. Other religious views are that ensoulment happens at the moment of conception; or when the child takes the first breath after being born;[1][2] at the formation of the nervous system and brain; at the first detectable sign of brain activity; or when the fetus is able to survive independently of the uterus (viability).[
Today that is not the case ----a fetus is formed from an egg and sperm ----then during the pregnancy the Baby develops a soul ----so a baby will possess a Soul at some point ---
there are different views on when the soul is formed in the fetus
From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensou...ious views are that,of the uterus (viability).
In the time of Aristotle, it was widely believed that the human soul entered the forming body at 40 days (male embryos) or 90 days (female embryos), and quickening was an indication of the presence of a soul. Other religious views are that ensoulment happens at the moment of conception; or when the child takes the first breath after being born;[1][2] at the formation of the nervous system and brain; at the first detectable sign of brain activity; or when the fetus is able to survive independently of the uterus (viability).[
Good questions.
Assuming that His glory is apart from justice (which it is) justice would be served when the ultimate wage of sin is completed: death. Justice ultimately makes both sides whole after judgement. So, in the case of theft, the offender often receives a fine for what was stolen and a certain amount of time in jail. The fine satisfies the injustice done to the victim and the time served satisfies the burden on the community. Once both are fulfilled, justice is served.
In an exchange like this in the eternal, God does not lose anything: the spirits that were given return to Him. So, He remains whole. In fact, sticking with the OP, God's spirit in us is simply an endowment of Himself to us. We do not own Him. That's part of the gospel: we are given life by the same power that raised Christ from the dead.
We were not created to be saved. We were created to represent Him. If we do not receive forgiveness of sin through Christ, then we will not represent Him.
It's the same dispensation that attended creation: everything that existed was made by Him (Christ) BUT His sacrifice for us was given before people were made. Because of this, our bodies and our souls are not eternal (that is why we are given new bodies and why the soul must be ruled by the spirit) but the spirit that God gave us is eternal because it is an endowment of Him. Once it returns to God who gave it, the body and soul can be destroyed. Or, we must be given new bodies that can live forever.
Assuming that His glory is apart from justice (which it is) justice would be served when the ultimate wage of sin is completed: death. Justice ultimately makes both sides whole after judgement. So, in the case of theft, the offender often receives a fine for what was stolen and a certain amount of time in jail. The fine satisfies the injustice done to the victim and the time served satisfies the burden on the community. Once both are fulfilled, justice is served.
In an exchange like this in the eternal, God does not lose anything: the spirits that were given return to Him. So, He remains whole. In fact, sticking with the OP, God's spirit in us is simply an endowment of Himself to us. We do not own Him. That's part of the gospel: we are given life by the same power that raised Christ from the dead.
We were not created to be saved. We were created to represent Him. If we do not receive forgiveness of sin through Christ, then we will not represent Him.
It's the same dispensation that attended creation: everything that existed was made by Him (Christ) BUT His sacrifice for us was given before people were made. Because of this, our bodies and our souls are not eternal (that is why we are given new bodies and why the soul must be ruled by the spirit) but the spirit that God gave us is eternal because it is an endowment of Him. Once it returns to God who gave it, the body and soul can be destroyed. Or, we must be given new bodies that can live forever.
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It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. The Spirit is the One who gives life. John 6:63
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7
For you are dust, and to dust you shall return. Genesis 3:19 (Referring to the human flesh, Adam was cut off from the tree of life.)
Also, you can see in revelation 20 and 21 the eternal home of ungodly spirits day and night they worship God the Father and Son without rest.
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7
For you are dust, and to dust you shall return. Genesis 3:19 (Referring to the human flesh, Adam was cut off from the tree of life.)
Also, you can see in revelation 20 and 21 the eternal home of ungodly spirits day and night they worship God the Father and Son without rest.
God breathed into their souls? Eh??? No translation says that... because it makes no sense.
New International Version
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
New Living Translation
Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed
the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person.
English Standard Version
then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
Berean Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed
the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
New King James Version
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
New American Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living person.
NASB 1995
Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
NASB 1977
Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Legacy Standard Bible
Then Yahweh God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and so the man became a living being.
Amplified Bible
then the LORD God formed [that is, created the body of] man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being [an individual complete in body and spirit].
Christian Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and
breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed
the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
American Standard Version
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Contemporary English Version
The LORD God took some soil from the ground and made a man.
God breathed life into the man, and the man started breathing.
English Revised Version
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the earth and blew
the breath of life into his nostrils. The man became a living being.
Good News Translation
Then the LORD God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it;
he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.
International Standard Version
So the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground,
breathed life into his lungs, and the man became a living being.
Majority Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed
the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
NET Bible
The LORD God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
New Heart English Bible
And God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Webster's Bible Translation
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
World English Bible
Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
New International Version
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
New Living Translation
Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed
the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person.
English Standard Version
then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
Berean Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed
the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
New King James Version
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
New American Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living person.
NASB 1995
Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
NASB 1977
Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Legacy Standard Bible
Then Yahweh God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and so the man became a living being.
Amplified Bible
then the LORD God formed [that is, created the body of] man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being [an individual complete in body and spirit].
Christian Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and
breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed
the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
American Standard Version
And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Contemporary English Version
The LORD God took some soil from the ground and made a man.
God breathed life into the man, and the man started breathing.
English Revised Version
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the earth and blew
the breath of life into his nostrils. The man became a living being.
Good News Translation
Then the LORD God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it;
he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.
International Standard Version
So the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground,
breathed life into his lungs, and the man became a living being.
Majority Standard Bible
Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed
the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
NET Bible
The LORD God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
New Heart English Bible
And God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Webster's Bible Translation
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
World English Bible
Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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