Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?
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Your "beliefs " are Man's attempt to reframe the bible because of the limitations of the human mind.
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jaybird88
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I'm thinking of one as in the definition of one. One is gonna remain one no matter if you're sitting in math biology or physics class. It's always one.
You are thinking of God as material. Where three pieces of matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time.
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jaybird88
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It's like your saying it's one but it's not one. Either way it conflict with what scripture says.
Why do Jews not have the Trinity in their doctrine?
Did you try to spot the trinity? https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/can-you-spot-the-trinity.192226/ Only true believers can see it so far. Take a swing at it and see how you do.
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jaybird88
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I don't know, a lot of those verses are just three things in a passage and your calling it The Trinity.
Why do the Jews not have a Trinity in their theology?
Because they do not follow the distorted KJV Bible. In the Hebrew text, Elohim is always singular, so there was no need to believe God is more than ONE!
- Elohim in Hebrew script: the letters are, right-to-left:, aleph-lamed-he-yud-mem. Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים [ʔɛloːˈhim]) is a word in the Hebrew Bible, which refers to a single deity, particularly the Jewish God.
But ENGLISH speaking people have turned Elohim to mean plural.
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So my question then:
Why has the ENGLISH speaking people rejected the Hebrew/Jews Biblical meaning?
These people, like Moses, Abraham literally dealt with God in person.
In Exodus, the Burning Bush where Yeshua reveals He is I AM, He tells Moses:
6 And He said, "I am ELOHIM of your father, ELOHIM of Abraham, ELOHIM of Isaac, and ELOHIM of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward ELOHIM.
ווַיֹּ֗אמֶר אָֽנֹכִי֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י אָבִ֔יךָ אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֑ב וַיַּסְתֵּ֤ר משֶׁה֙ פָּנָ֔יו כִּ֣י יָרֵ֔א מֵֽהַבִּ֖יט אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:
Is Jesus saying He is triune here by saying He is THE GOD of...your father, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
And is Moses afraid of God being 3 when he was afraid to look at ELOHIM?
No, of course not!
It means the ONE PERSON GOD = ELOHIM!
And please, I am not trying to be disrespectful. Most who interact with me know I follow the Church Fathers view of the Trinity, which is way diverse and different in all meaning than what I read in the KJV Bible/is preached TODAY.
But, only one of those views can be correct and the other has to be wrong.
So explain to me why the Church Fathers views are wrong if you believe today's version of the trinity?
But, only one of those views can be correct and the other has to be wrong.
So explain to me why the Church Fathers views are wrong if you believe today's version of the trinity?
I believe in the trinity like John the Beloved taught his own Disciples who taught others that we now call our "CHURCH FATHERS.":
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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What this is literally saying, that the WORD and WISDOM (Spirit) are not separate on their own, because they come from within God Himself and remain as Him.
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bowels,
........... begat Him, emitting Him
........... along with His own wisdom before all things.
but the wisdom [Spirit in this instance is Sophia] of God which was in Him, and
........... His holy Word which was always present with Him.
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What this is literally saying, that the WORD and WISDOM (Spirit) are not separate on their own, because they come from within God Himself and remain as Him.
I wonder if this sheds new light?
THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN HEBREW | Research ...
researchsupportsthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/07/...
Jul 03, 2013 · THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN HEBREW and NOT Greek or Aramaic .....Are there any proofs that the original language of the New Testament was Hebrew, and not Greek or Aramaic?" The answer is "Yes!
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This revelation means the Greek translation has it wrong, or is misleading. And to compound that even further, is the English version. No wonder the trinity view from the Hebrew New Testament that the "Church Fathers" have given is much different than the Greek to English version. No wonder the Nicene Creed of 325 AD is more on terms to the "Oneness" view than today's modern "Trinity" view.
And that more than ever leads to this question:
I still want to know why the Trinity belief of 2020 (TODAY) is not the same as the Church Fathers and Bishops of 325 AD?
By all logic, one view is correct and the other is BLASPHEMOUS!
So then, which view is correct and which view is BLASPHEMOUS?
THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN HEBREW | Research ...
researchsupportsthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/07/...
Jul 03, 2013 · THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN HEBREW and NOT Greek or Aramaic .....Are there any proofs that the original language of the New Testament was Hebrew, and not Greek or Aramaic?" The answer is "Yes!
^
This revelation means the Greek translation has it wrong, or is misleading. And to compound that even further, is the English version. No wonder the trinity view from the Hebrew New Testament that the "Church Fathers" have given is much different than the Greek to English version. No wonder the Nicene Creed of 325 AD is more on terms to the "Oneness" view than today's modern "Trinity" view.
And that more than ever leads to this question:
I still want to know why the Trinity belief of 2020 (TODAY) is not the same as the Church Fathers and Bishops of 325 AD?
By all logic, one view is correct and the other is BLASPHEMOUS!
So then, which view is correct and which view is BLASPHEMOUS?
Genesis opens with the words In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. In Hebrew the word there for God is Elohim
which is a plural word. It goes on to say let US make man in our own image. There is more than one person involved. Johns Gospel
calls Christ the word and states that all things were made by him. He tells us who the other person was You appear to be confusing nature with rank. The trinity share the same nature but they are not of the same rank just as Humanity shares the same nature but there are many people who are of higher and lower ranks to ourselves. I could say my Father was greater than I was but we shared the same nature. I cant understand why you find this so difficult to understand
There are three persons who can claim to have always been and when the Apostles taught about God they mention these three.
No other's know what it is to have no beginning or end.
We know Jesus is an only son of the Father.
If they were not distinct in that regard the familial titles would be inaccurate.
The distinctions although unknowable by human reason, is why God is three persons and they are one in being having always been.
No other's know what it is to have no beginning or end.
We know Jesus is an only son of the Father.
If they were not distinct in that regard the familial titles would be inaccurate.
The distinctions although unknowable by human reason, is why God is three persons and they are one in being having always been.
Jesus claims God is a Spirit and refers to Him, which indicates One Spirit Being:
John 4:
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.