Are You Pro-Life?

[Mitspa]

I totally agree. However, there are many that feel execution is the only way to bring justice to possible killers/potentially innocent people. As if they are unable to see a different punishment which doesn't involve playing God and taking human life away.

So you feel called to defend those who have been charged with murder...but not really called to defend the children being murdered or the people being killed by these murderers? Very odd "calling"...do you think its from God?

 

[KimPetras]

Something very common we see on this forum ..folks who seem determined to defend and excuse evil..while they attempt to attack and accuse those who are godly. Very odd spirit, some folks seem to have?

If you feel a person is defending murder, call them out on it. Don't be passive aggressive and speak in a general sense. I could be wrong, but I've seen no one defend evil but rather protect the sanctity that is life of people who are possibly innocent.

 

[Mitspa]

Life in prison does not equate to releasing possible killers back into the streets. This is another straw man argument.

I'm not understanding the issue with using "pro-life". I agree, defend the lives of the unborn, but defend the possible innocent as well. Just because they are already born doesn't make them any less worthy of saving, nor is it misusing the term "pro-life".

Look young Lady...I have been a prison minister for many years now ...I have never seen a innocent man in prison ... If I do? I will take up his cause...until then, we have the best system in the world, a system approved by God in His Word.

 

[KimPetras]

So you feel called to defend those who have been charged with murder...but not really called to defend the children being murdered or the people being killed by these murderers? Very odd "calling"...do you think its from God?

Ah, so now you ask me directly. lol

I never said I was called to defend murders or even possibly innocent people condemned to death by the state. This is a discussion. An inquiry into the minds and hearts of people pro-life or pro capital punishment.

And why are you speaking for me in that I feel like I'm not called to defend the unborn? If you've read my sentiments of the unborn, you would know without a doubt I defend the innocent, born and unborn.

 

[Mitspa]

If you feel a person is defending murder, call them out on it. Don't be passive aggressive and speak in a general sense. I could be wrong, but I've seen no one defend evil but rather protect the sanctity that is life of people who are possibly innocent.

Clearly your defending killers as if they are all innocent ..and using some silly excuse that someone somewhere might be innocent... which only shows your own desire to defend evil and attack those that uphold justice.

 

[KimPetras]

Look young Lady...I have been a prison minister for many years now ...I have never seen a innocent man in prison ... If I do? I will take up his cause...until then, we have the best system in the world, a system approved by God in His Word.

Christ said to pay Caesar what is his. The same government that crucified Christ had the "authority" to do it. I disagree with the authority and I'm not convinced God was somehow cool with the execution. It was necessary so that we would be saved, but it doesn't mean the people were justified in killing Christ. If that was the case, Judas Iscariot should be vindicated of any wrong doing.

 

[KimPetras]

Clearly your defending killers as if they are all innocent ..and using some silly excuse that someone somewhere might be innocent... which only shows your own desire to defend evil and attack those that uphold justice.

Can you quote the "clear" posts that I defend killers.

Do you wish for me to quote where I defend the potentially innocent people?

 

[Mitspa]

Ah, so now you ask me directly. lol

I never said I was called to defend murders or even possibly innocent people condemned to death by the state. This is a discussion. An inquiry into the minds and hearts of people pro-life or pro capital punishment.

And why are you speaking for me in that I feel like I'm not called to defend the unborn? If you've read my sentiments of the unborn, you would know without a doubt I defend the innocent, born and unborn.

As I have said before as a prison minister for many years... I have never seen a innocent man in prison..if I do? I will try to help him as anyone else on this forum would... But that has little to do with capital punishment and the fact that God upholds it. Who can call God unfair?

 

[Mitspa]

Can you quote the "clear" posts that I defend killers.

Do you wish for me to quote where I defend the potentially innocent people?

I think your trying to make a general defense of killers against the punishment of law, based on the idea that someone "might" be innocent ... anyone can see that

 

[jennymae]

Look young Lady...I have been a prison minister for many years now ...I have never seen a innocent man in prison ... If I do? I will take up his cause...until then, we have the best system in the world, a system approved by God in His Word.

The best system in the world? Oh c'mon mitspa, surely you are joking. If you're telling me that ol' Sparky up yonder Tennessee ain't never taken an innocent life, then my beliefs are that the prison minister might should be giving the term "guilt" another think lolol.

 

[Blithe]

So you feel called to defend those who have been charged with murder...but not really called to defend the children being murdered or the people being killed by these murderers? Very odd "calling"...do you think its from God?

I've been reading this entire thread and I'm sorry, you appear to grossly misunderstand her. You might want to read what she is actually say instead of twisting and assuming things about her.

 

[Mitspa]

Christ said to pay Caesar what is his. The same government that crucified Christ had the "authority" to do it. I disagree with the authority and I'm not convinced God was somehow cool with the execution. It was necessary so that we would be saved, but it doesn't mean the people were justified in killing Christ. If that was the case, Judas Iscariot should be vindicated of any wrong doing.

I have already posted, in clear and evident words that Gods upholds the justice system and the use of the sword against criminals .... So not sure it really matters what "you" think?

 

[Blithe]

Can you quote the "clear" posts that I defend killers.

Do you wish for me to quote where I defend the potentially innocent people?

I'm not saying I entirely agree with your stance, but I apologize that you're being made to look like you don't care for the unborn but want to protect killers. That is very wrong.

 

[Mitspa]

I've been reading this entire thread and I'm sorry, you appear to grossly misunderstand her. You might want to read what she is actually say instead of twisting and assuming things about her.

So ..you have an opinion ..its "YOUR" opinion ..not mine.

 

[KimPetras]

I think your trying to make a general defense of killers against the punishment of law, based on the idea that someone "might" be innocent ... anyone can see that

No, I'm making a case against capital punishment on cases where there is doubt. Not to leave the possible killers go to their homes. Huge distinction.

If there is any possibility of innocence, one should be prudent and choose an alternative form of punishment. It would be no different if someone doesn't know for sure if the unborn is a child of God yet. Why not be cautious and assume it is a human child? Preserve life.

If got rid of capital punishment

Worst case scenario, the person was really a killer but spends the rest of his life behind bars.
Best case scenario, you saved an innocent (of the crime alleged) person's life.

If you executed a person

Worst case scenario,you killed an innocent (of the crime alleged) person.Best case scenario, you killed the right man.

 

[Mitspa]

The best system in the world? Oh c'mon mitspa, surely you are joking. If you're telling me that ol' Sparky up yonder Tennessee ain't never taken an innocent life, then my beliefs are that the prison minister might should be giving the term "guilt" another think lolol.

Where is your evidence ..that the people of Tn and our judicial process has put someone innocent to death? I don't know of any case? Do you? Even if you found one? Who are you or anyone else to decide what the people of Tn decide they want as part of their justice system?

 

[Mitspa]

No, I'm making a case against capital punishment on cases where there is doubt. Not to leave the possible killers go to their homes. Huge distinction.

Look... if there is real doubt? a capital punishment case is always over litigated ... I think a more reasonable position is that we have too much legal process in these situations.

 

[KimPetras]

I'm not saying I entirely agree with your stance, but I apologize that you're being made to look like you don't care for the unborn but want to protect killers. That is very wrong.

I appreciate you coming to my defense. I truly don't believe even he thinks this way about me... at least I would hope not. I'm not sure why he is acting this way but no harm no foul with me. God knows my heart.

 

[James47]

I like how this went from to the very first reply suggesting abortion was the topic due top the phrase "Pro Life" when it seems clear that the question were not related to that subject, how easy it is to go off of the course of the subject when we have preconcieved idea's on what a term must mean world wide when in if fact it doesnt, My thoughts are if there is any doubt then capital punishment should not be applied, if there is no doubt what soever then if its the law of what ever land it may be in then so be it. [h=2]

Are You Pro-Life?[/h]

Simple question: Are you for or against capital punishment? Does capital punishment reflect the old covenant or the new covenant?

Secondary question: If taking an innocent man's life is murder, what punishment do you give the state that executes an innocent man that would have been exonerated if he was still alive? Is the state consider to be "murderers"?​

 

[Mitspa]

No, I'm making a case against capital punishment on cases where there is doubt. Not to leave the possible killers go to their homes. Huge distinction.

If there is any possibility of innocence, one should be prudent and choose an alternative form of punishment. It would be no different if someone doesn't know for sure if the unborn is a child of God yet. Why not be cautious and assume it is a human child? Preserve life.

If got rid of capital punishment

Worst case scenario, the person was really a killer but spends the rest of his life behind bars.
Best case scenario, you saved an innocent (of the crime alleged) person's life.

If you executed a person

Worst case scenario,you killed an innocent (of the crime alleged) person.Best case scenario, you killed the right man.

Well the folks in each State, decide if they want capital punishment ... I think its more than fair and as a society we go out of our way to be fair ... I think folks that kill babies and rape children should receive the death penalty ...so you and me will never likely agree .... Im on Gods side ...your on Al (hands up) Sharpton side