The GT is not the wrath of God, ie, the 7 bowls of wrath.
Are You Rapture Ready?
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The GT is not the wrath of God, ie, the 7 bowls of wrath.
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Correct. The GT is NOT the wrath of God on unrepentant souls & the fallen away church. We will all go through it because:
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."
Lord Jesus Himself said that He will return on the last day which is after the end of the GT.
Build up your faith in the Lord and He will help you endure to the end whether alive or dead.
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Are you rapture ready?
Yes, Certainly am; thanks for asking.
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Amen.
Yes, Certainly am; thanks for asking.
And enjoy, and Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified:
Are you Rapture Ready? Part 1
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Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
Are you ready for the GT? Are you building up your faith in Christ so you don't fall away from Him? That's important.
John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."
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Something to think about
The 7-year period we refer to as the 'Tribulation period' is really Daniel's 70th week, per scripture.
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, ........................................
The 69 weeks before, and the 70th week to come, concern the Jewish People and Jerusalem only. The weeks have nothing to do with anything or anybody outside of Israel. If we check Revelation, we will find that the Chapters 10-15 pertain to Israel only. These are the chapters that define the 70th week of Daniel. There will not be a gathering of the world's Christians, who are outside of Judaism, during this period of time. Chapters 8 & 9 pertain to the world events, and their people, of God's Wrath. Chapter 7 presents Jesus's Bride before his throne, confirming that Jesus will keep his bride from the time of their Wrath (Chapters 8 & 9) as identified in,
Revelation 6:17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
The Sickle Harvests of Chapter 14 are within Daniel's 70th week, so it cannot be a world rapture event. I suspect it is the fulfillment of Jesus's parable of the Wheat and Tares. The wheat being Jewish people who have come to accept Jesus as their Messiah via the witnessing of the 144,000 given at the beginning of Chapter 7. Notice that Jesus and the 144,000 witnesses open Chapter 14 standing on Mount Zion. The Grapes that Jesus trampled in the great wine press of God's wrath are the followers of the Antichrist with the Mark of the Beast. These are the Tares that grew up amongst the plantings of the 144,000. Note: I am not advocating a second Rapture. Where the 1st sickle harvest ends up, the scripture is silent about.
Settings described in scriptutre matter as well as careful reading of the words and what they are saying.
The 7-year period we refer to as the 'Tribulation period' is really Daniel's 70th week, per scripture.
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, ........................................
The 69 weeks before, and the 70th week to come, concern the Jewish People and Jerusalem only. The weeks have nothing to do with anything or anybody outside of Israel. If we check Revelation, we will find that the Chapters 10-15 pertain to Israel only. These are the chapters that define the 70th week of Daniel. There will not be a gathering of the world's Christians, who are outside of Judaism, during this period of time. Chapters 8 & 9 pertain to the world events, and their people, of God's Wrath. Chapter 7 presents Jesus's Bride before his throne, confirming that Jesus will keep his bride from the time of their Wrath (Chapters 8 & 9) as identified in,
Revelation 6:17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
The Sickle Harvests of Chapter 14 are within Daniel's 70th week, so it cannot be a world rapture event. I suspect it is the fulfillment of Jesus's parable of the Wheat and Tares. The wheat being Jewish people who have come to accept Jesus as their Messiah via the witnessing of the 144,000 given at the beginning of Chapter 7. Notice that Jesus and the 144,000 witnesses open Chapter 14 standing on Mount Zion. The Grapes that Jesus trampled in the great wine press of God's wrath are the followers of the Antichrist with the Mark of the Beast. These are the Tares that grew up amongst the plantings of the 144,000. Note: I am not advocating a second Rapture. Where the 1st sickle harvest ends up, the scripture is silent about.
Settings described in scriptutre matter as well as careful reading of the words and what they are saying.
What do I do with the Great Multitude, positively and unambiguously identified as sains who "come out of the great tribulation"?
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands ...
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Rev. 7:9-14)
Not much, when you realize that there're SEVEN churches, this is only for the church of Philadelphia - "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write ... " Where's the money-back guarantee of your and my membership of that church? What if we end up in one of the other six? What if we end up in Smyrna subject to persecution?
Your "rapture of the bride" is made up. It is written, "the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom." If the church is supposed to be identified as the ten virgins and Jesus the bridegroom, how is that pretrib, when the bridegroom is schedule to return posttrib?
Also, the Bride is the great city of New Jerusalem, last time I check, not only is that post-trib, but post-mil. This is not my spinning, but what the bible explicitly states. It is your deal that's impossible, not mine.
“Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. (Rev. 21:9-10)
Who's "torturing" the bible by spinning out of a pre-trib resurrection that doesn't exist?
Our salvation pattern has three parts - justification, sanctification, glorification. First is the Lord's crucification on the cross, second is our baptism in the Holy Spirit, third is our resurrection. Isaiah 26:19-21 is a prophecy of RESURRECTION in Rev. 20:1-5, which takes place upon the Lord's arrival, which is POST-TRIB, Matt. 24:29.
Daniel's 70 weeks were already fulfilled by Christ, such 2000+ year gap is purely imaginary.
Post-trib RESURRECTION is our "blessed hope", rapture is the gathering of God's elect from all the earth. Both are post-trib, says the Lord himself, not me.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matt. 24:29-31)
Wrath of God only targets at the unrepentant "inhabitants of the earth", meanwhile there's wrath of Satan that targets the church. If Rev. 3:10 were applicable to all of God's people, then why will God's people be delivered to tribulation? The church of Philadelphia held the word of God, so do these saints mentioned below, why aren't they spared?
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. (Matt. 24:9-13)
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” (Rev. 6:9-10)
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev. 12:17)
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. (Rev. 13:7)
It is plain bizarre to me that you can't acknowledge God's grand schedule of resurrection, our real blessed hope, POST trib, upon the return of the Lord, indicated multiple times in various ways in the bible.
It's the wrath of Satan, three and a half years of the Antichrist's ministry, as a counterfeit of Lord Jesus's ministry, the deadly wound and the healing from it is his counterfeit resurrection, the earth beast the counterfeit Holy Spirit, the harlot of Babylon the counterfeit church.
So, do you really think God is going to let His children stay and experience His wrath? Those that have accepted Jesus after the Rapture will be here and suffer persecution but not the wrath of God, or do you think God will punish them also?
And btw, who do you say the 'Restrainer' is that is holding back the antichrist?
There's no point to continue this discussion as long as you conflate God's wrath with Satan's wrath, even though in the bible those two are the polar opposites, God's wrath specifically targets all who've taken the mark of the Beast, Satan's wrath specifically targets all who don't take it.