Are You Rapture Ready?

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Lovette said:
No, the evil ones are left dead until the end of the millennial kingdom.
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Matthew 24:40
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left..../KJV

If all of the evil people are dead at this time, when does this happen, two in the field, one taken one left...? Left behind where? All alone since everyone else is dead? Taken? Taken where? When?

And will he respond this time or not? I'm guessing no beyond a change of subject and rabbit trails designed to confuse and distract from the truth.
 
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Lovette said:
instead of any legitimate biblical teaching.
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You post tribbers have never heard of Unification? WHy is it you post tribbers feel like it's ok to hijack a thread wherein the very first post said, this is not a debate thread about pre trib/post trib but speaking to fellow pre tribbers about being rapture ready. You freaking hijacked my thread and totally refuse to even respond to scripture....and only want to preach your post trib view and call people names.

That's very low brow.
 
Edify said:
Obviosly, there's no "absolutes" in pre or post. Who will be affected within christianity if they find out they're wrong? NO ONE.
God has promised to keep us against that day, so IDK why arguments ensue.
Come out of your corners, shake hands, & forgive one another.
Those not forgiving are in danger of judment.
It would be awful if someone would suffer this when so many are supporting the argument causing it, wouldn't it? I'll have no part of it. I'm outta here.
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Aren't you pre-trib? Nevertheless, are you building up your faith in the Lord to endure in the GT if you're wrong?

Because Jesus is Post-trib when He said plainly and clearly:

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."

There is no getting around Him saying that. If you belong to Him, build your faith up in Jesus to endure beginning now. Whatever happens to you in the GT, whether remaining alive or martyred, He will keep you from falling away from Him.


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Lovette said:
Rapture is post trib, resurrection first.
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Rapture is Pre-Trib ----according to scripture if you read and understand it RIGHT -----as the Saints come with Jesus when He comes the 2nd time to fight Satan and his tribe --the Saint witness Jesus defeat Satan ----

So the Rapture cannot be Post -Trib ----that makes no sense ----Jesus is coming to defeat Satan and He sets up His New Earth immediately after he separated the saved people from the tribulation from the unsaved ----the unsaved he sends away ---and the saved He keeps here with the other Saints and sets up the New Earth ------

AI ---Read Folks

Scripture indicates that Jesus will return with His saints (believers) at the Second Coming to judge the earth and establish His kingdom.

Key verses include 1 Thessalonians 3:13, which speaks of the Lord coming with all his saints,

and Jude 1:14-15, describing the Lord arriving with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment

I say ---------where is there time to have a Rapture in His Second Coming ----there isn't any-----the Saints come down to earth With Him Folks

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1 Thessalonians 3:13 (ESV): "...at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints".

Jude 1:14-15: "...Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment...".

Zechariah 14:5 (ESV): "...Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him".

Revelation 19:11-14 (ESV): Describes the armies of heaven following Jesus on white horses, often interpreted as the resurrected and raptured saints returning with Him.
  • Context: This event follows the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17), where believers are caught up to meet the Lord, subsequently returning with Him at His visible Second Coming.
 
studentoftheword said:
Rapture is Pre-Trib ----according to scripture if you read and understand it RIGHT -----as the Saints come with Jesus when He comes the 2nd time to fight Satan and his tribe --the Saint witness Jesus defeat Satan ----

So the Rapture cannot be Post -Trib ----that makes no sense ----Jesus is coming to defeat Satan and He sets up His New Earth immediately after he separated the saved people from the tribulation from the unsaved ----the unsaved he sends away ---and the saved He keeps here with the other Saints and sets up the New Earth ------

AI ---Read Folks

Scripture indicates that Jesus will return with His saints (believers) at the Second Coming to judge the earth and establish His kingdom.

Key verses include 1 Thessalonians 3:13, which speaks of the Lord coming with all his saints,

and Jude 1:14-15, describing the Lord arriving with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment

I say ---------where is there time to have a Rapture in His Second Coming ----there isn't any-----the Saints come down to earth With Him Folks

AI Continued

1 Thessalonians 3:13 (ESV): "...at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints".

Jude 1:14-15: "...Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment...".

Zechariah 14:5 (ESV): "...Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him".

Revelation 19:11-14 (ESV): Describes the armies of heaven following Jesus on white horses, often interpreted as the resurrected and raptured saints returning with Him.
  • Context: This event follows the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17), where believers are caught up to meet the Lord, subsequently returning with Him at His visible Second Coming.
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No. Jesus Himself simply said it is post-trib:

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."

He kapt it simple because He knew satan would send a complicated, confusing pre-trib doctrine that will fool only the people who don't belong to Him.

Don't be part of that group. Build up your faith in Christ to endure so that you withstand everything the GT will throw at you. Jesus will keep you from falling away!


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Lovette said:
Firstfruits are the 144,000.

Only because you're in denial of the verses I've posted repeatedly.
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SMH
Amazing your lack of knowledge.

1 cor 15
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


You need to learn.
Do a study on firstfruits and get back to me.

Psssst...the 144,000 are firstfruit Jews.
...a totally different study that must also be new to you.

Also research what denial is.
Denying your misinformation is a no brainer.
Your study being so lacking.
You don't even know what firstfruits is.
 
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Lovette said:
Read Rev. 20:5 and Jn. 5:28-29.
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Lol
Who is in denial?
Rev 14:14 is toxic to your deal.
That is why you ran from it.

That fact alone, a gathering prior to your displacement blows your entire deal away.

It is comical that your teachers are so inept.

They have you believing the dead in Christ rise after the gathering mid trib By JESUS SITTING ON A CLOUD.

Study before you take a position.
When you get your info from teachers, sooner or later they will make a fool out of you.
Rev 14:14.....you run from it huh?
Actually I don't blame you.
I would be embarrassed also.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
No. Jesus Himself simply said it is post-trib:

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."

He kapt it simple because He knew satan would send a complicated, confusing pre-trib doctrine that will fool only the people who don't belong to Him.

Don't be part of that group. Build up your faith in Christ to endure so that you withstand everything the GT will throw at you. Jesus will keep you from falling away!


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Amen.
The gathering of the last day is the general resurrection way way way after the trib.
1000 years later.

Yep a post trib gathering.
Super postrib.

But you run from the rapture verses.
 
Psalm1 said:
Nowhere in the bible is a resurrection postrib.

Read Rev 14:14.
(A gathering DURING THE TRIB)
SO, the dead in Christ of 1 thes 4, rise AFTER the gathering of the living, of rev 14:14.
The bible is confused?
The dead in Christ rise AFTER the living of rev 14:14?

Show me any postribber teaching that even touches rev 14:14 without changing it.
You must change it.
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Yep.
They have no clue as to the firstfruits, the rapture, or the 144k.
They can not unpack the virgin parable either.

I have looked at most every postrib teacher.
All of them, 100% , are trib centered, not Bride and groom centered.
 
Lovette said:
In fact, KJV, NKJV, NASB and other translations all read in Rev. 20:5, this (they lived and reigned) is the FIRST RESURRECTION. You're in denial.
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We all know they are part of the 1st resurrection.
we all know that.

What you have no knowledge of is the firstfruits OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
YOU don't know anything about it.

So you naturally misplace and corrupt what is said in rev 20.
It is a brand new concept to your teachers.

The twist was birthed in the corrupt NIV wording of rev 20.
 
Luke1813 said:
Just curious, at what point do all the dispensationalist pre trib rapture people throw in the towel and admit they were mistaken?
And when that moment comes, will you keep the faith and endure to the end?
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Jesus was not incorrect.
But you are.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
No. Jesus Himself simply said it is post-trib:

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."

He kapt it simple because He knew satan would send a complicated, confusing pre-trib doctrine that will fool only the people who don't belong to Him.

Don't be part of that group. Build up your faith in Christ to endure so that you withstand everything the GT will throw at you. Jesus will keep you from falling away!


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Well the AC kills all refusing the mark.

So if you accept the mark you will go through the gt.
Then you will be correct and be resurrected after the millineum...which is where the general resurrection is.

Which...as you say....is way way way postrib.
Even post mil

So yes you will be raptured at the last day.

In over a thousand years.
 
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Lovette said:
What meaning have I changed, friend? Preaching the gospel to every nation is one thing, making DISCIPLES of every nation is quite another. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." The Lord will return when his Great Commission is completed.
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With this I agree.
 
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Destination Difference:
During the Rapture of the Church, Jesus comes to take us to the Father's house in heaven. Our destination is in heaven.

"Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." (John 14:1-3)

The Lord Jesus spoke very clearly about the Rapture of the Church. He states that in heaven, He is preparing a place for the believers in the Father's house of God. When He is finished, He will return to take the believers with Him so that they will abide with Him. The Lord Jesus does not return to Earth; instead, He meets us in the air (1 Thessalonians 1:10). During the Rapture, believers ascend into the air and are taken up into heaven.

Isaiah 26:
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

During the Second Coming, the Lord Jesus does not take people to heaven, or return to the Father's house. The Lord Jesus sets His feet on Earth, and believers follow Him. For seven years, believers will be in heaven, and afterward, we all return to Earth to reign with the Lord Jesus..../KJV

During the Second Coming, the Lord Jesus returns to Earth and stands on the Mount of Olives. He then reigns for a thousand years from Jerusalem.
 
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Taken and Left Behind:

This difference can be divided into two aspects: who gathers or takes people from the Earth, and who is taken and who is left behind.

During the Rapture of the Church, the Lord Jesus will command all His followers to rise into the air to meet Him. This is not done by an angel or a messenger but by the Lord Jesus Himself.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

During the Second Coming, the Lord Jesus will not instruct the believers to be caught up in the air. Instead, He sends His angels to gather the chosen ones. It is not mentioned in the scripture that these followers are gathered in the air. They likely remain on Earth because the Lord Jesus is on Earth.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matthew 24:31)

"Then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of the earth to the farthest part of heaven." (Mark 13:27)

Moreover, there is a distinction between those who will be raptured and those who remain on Earth. During the Rapture, followers of Jesus will leave the Earth (John 14:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), while the ungodly remain. During the Second Coming, the ungodly nations and people will leave the Earth, and the righteous nations and people will remain. We discussed this in Chapter 11. The kingdom spoken about in the following Bible text is the Millennial Reign that takes place on Earth.

"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." (...) Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels."" (Matthew 25:31-41)
 
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