Are You Rapture Ready?

[Luke1813]

Ok.
I understand.
All postribs at some point run away.
Jesus is dangerous to men's doctrine.

I'm not post trib. And I'm right here, not running away. Just patiently waiting for you to say something coherent and worthy of a response.

 

[Luke1813]

Were it possible for Satan to find any moments of joy in his miserable existence, these ridiculous threads would most certainly do the trick. What could be more entertaining for old hornhead than watching "christians" arguing about whether Christ is coming back before this or after that or whatever, when its obvious that neither side of the debate has any idea what they are talking about?

 

[Luke1813]

But no scripture to back it up? Typical.

LOL. I've made about four or five comments in this silly thread full of silly people making silly arguments, in neither of those comments have I even once stated my own personal opinion on the topic. So please, do tell, what kind of scriptures were you hoping for?

You have no idea what my thoughts are on the pre tribe post trib debate, because as of yet, I have not shared them. I did ask a couple of questions of the pre trib crowd, And so far, no one has attempted to answer them. But they have taken the time to tell me that I don't believe in Jesus or some such nonsense. What wacky places these "christian" forums.

 

[Edward429451]

Should I be upset that you don't like me? You're literally not believing what Jesus said which is in direct contradiction to your beloved false pre-trib doctrine. Who makes Jesus their Lord and Savior and then not believe what He says???

I'm staying on this thread to tell other people what Jesus clearly said. The people who were sent by God the Father to Jesus His Son for safekeeping will listen to Him.

I really hope and pray you will listen to Jesus about this too before it's too late.


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The Church is more than an institution it's a living body. Called to reflect the Love and Unity we see in Jesus. When we lose sight of that we lose our way. But when we return to that truth there is hope for renewal. It's not always easy to discuss controversial topics, but I believe that through openness and prayer we can be part of something truly transformative.

The Church's foundation is meant to be Love, Humility and Service. See nothing else compares or takes priority. When we lose sight of that the Church loses it's way and becomes vulnerable to Fear and Pride. which are like weeds choking out the life of faith.

Fear often drives people to protect themselves, to build walls instead of bridges. And to Judge rather than Embrace. Pride on the other hand can make us think we have all the answers, or that we're better than others. Both of these attitudes create division and keep the Church from being the United, Compassionate Family that God desires. Only through Unity rooted in Compassion can the Church regain it's strength and truly witness to the world.

Unity doesn't mean everyone has to agree on every detail or theology. But it means coming together in Love. Forgiving one another and focusing on what unites us rather than what divides us.

The world outside the Church is watching! They need to see a Church that reflects His Love in Action. One that welcomes the broken lost and hurting without Judgment. The Lord wants the CHurch to be a place where people find hope and healing, not condemnation or exclusion.

We all need to embrace this Transformation. We wouldn't want non-believers coming to the board for answers and find the Christians being rude to each other! Bad move!

Transformation begins with each individual person so each of us should examine our own hearts and let go of the Fear and Pride in our personal lives.

 

[Luke1813]

The Church is more than an institution it's a living body. Called to reflect the Love and Unity we see in Jesus. When we lose sight of that we lose our way. But when we return to that truth there is hope for renewal. It's not always easy to discuss controversial topics, but I believe that through openness and prayer we can be part of something truly transformative.

The Church's foundation is meant to be Love, Humility and Service. See nothing else compares or takes priority. When we lose sight of that the Church loses it's way and becomes vulnerable to Fear and Pride. which are like weeds choking out the life of faith.

Fear often drives people to protect themselves, to build walls instead of bridges. And to Judge rather than Embrace. Pride on the other hand can make us think we have all the answers, or that we're better than others. Both of these attitudes create division and keep the Church from being the United, Compassionate Family that God desires. Only through Unity rooted in Compassion can the Church regain it's strength and truly witness to the world.

Unity doesn't mean everyone has to agree on every detail or theology. But it means coming together in Love. Forgiving one another and focusing on what unites us rather than what divides us.

The world outside the Church is watching! They need to see a Church that reflects His Love in Action. One that welcomes the broken lost and hurting without Judgment. The Lord wants the CHurch to be a place where people find hope and healing, not condemnation or exclusion.

We all need to embrace this Transformation. We wouldn't want non-believers coming to the board for answers and find the Christians being rude to each other! Bad move!

Transformation begins with each individual person so each of us should examine our own hearts and let go of the Fear and Pride in our personal lives.

Whatever other disagreements you and I may have, I completely concur with your statement above.

 

[Edward429451]

Should I be upset that you don't like me? You're literally not believing what Jesus said which is in direct contradiction to your beloved false pre-trib doctrine. Who makes Jesus their Lord and Savior and then not believe what He says???

I'm staying on this thread to tell other people what Jesus clearly said. The people who were sent by God the Father to Jesus His Son for safekeeping will listen to Him.

I really hope and pray you will listen to Jesus about this too before it's too late.


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Cont.,

To embrace humility and to serve others with genuine Love. Only then could the Lord have a Church that He desires. To admit mistakes and to seek forgiveness requires honesty with self and courage. It may be hard to do for you but I assure you the process is worth it. Real Transformation. Real Relationship. Going through the process opens doors to deeper relationships with people and with the Lord.

I believe they call it living out the Gospel with Authenticity. Love isn't just a feeling or a nice idea, it is an Action. A Daily Choice to put others before your self. When we serve with humility and do these things, we are reflecting His heart and drawing others closer to Him...

You can be a good Christian without being mean & nasty to Brothers & Sisters! Try it some time! Today maybe! God bless you.

 

[Edward429451]

Whatever other disagreements you and I may have, I completely concur with your statement above.

Well, Thank You Brother! I must be having a good day today! Praise the Lord!

 

[WiselyWoven]

Matthew 24:40
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left..../KJV

If all of the evil people are dead at this time, when does this happen, two in the field, one taken one left...? Left behind where? All alone since everyone else is dead? Taken? Taken where? When?

It's an event spoken of in the New Testament when the LORD returns and "reckoneth" with his servants (Matthew 18:24). The word is associated with an accounting, or a numbering, and the event is described in Matthew 25 with the parable of the 10 virgins (Matthew 25:19).

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Cont.,

To embrace humility and to serve others with genuine Love. Only then could the Lord have a Church that He desires. To admit mistakes and to seek forgiveness requires honesty with self and courage. It may be hard to do for you but I assure you the process is worth it. Real Transformation. Real Relationship. Going through the process opens doors to deeper relationships with people and with the Lord.

I believe they call it living out the Gospel with Authenticity. Love isn't just a feeling or a nice idea, it is an Action. A Daily Choice to put others before your self. When we serve with humility and do these things, we are reflecting His heart and drawing others closer to Him...

You can be a good Christian without being mean & nasty to Brothers & Sisters! Try it some time! Today maybe! God bless you.

You just think I'm being nasty because I asked you why you couldn't accept something Jesus clearly said.

But I get now why you can't.

John 8:47 "Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

Now that God explained that to me, I won't ask you anymore.


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[BereanBride]

This is excellent understanding. But you don't believe it was 1st century?

Not sure about centuries. I believe the Age of Grace is just an interruption to Israel's time, and the focus will return to them in the 70th week, after Jesus faithful church is removed and God begins his Wrath period

 

[Lovette]

Sigh
Hello.
Firstfruits IS PART OF HARVEST.
You really are serious?
You have no understanding that FIRSTFRUITS is part of harvest????

SMH.

Says you who have no understanding on the difference between the SHEAF of the first fruits and the harvest of first fruits.

 

[Lovette]

I only hear "secret rapture" from postribbers.

But I understand you need to misinform people, since your main pillar of doctrine is omission, and reframing the scattered verses left, that survive your Bible editing are not even understood.

You seem to celebrate what you do in omitting verses.

Which verse have I omitted, friend? Whover preaches pre-trib seems to be omitting the "dead shall rise FIRST" part.

 

[Cameron143]

Not sure about centuries. I believe the Age of Grace is just an interruption to Israel's time, and the focus will return to them in the 70th week, after Jesus faithful church is removed and God begins his Wrath period

Hmm. Could you do a quick synopsis of the book of Revelation in a couple of sentences for me or give a brief outline of the book?

 

[Lovette]

I schooled you on firstfruits

You still trying to deflect?

Please do a study.
Pay particular attention, that denying that firstfruits POINTS to HARVEST, you will remain in a fog.

But you can just omit it.
It will serve you better, since your deal is dependant on omission.
Just pretend Jesus is not the firstfruits of the 1st resurrection.

Then go with thr NIV translation the says in Rev 20 " they came to life"

....which that error helps a supposed made up postrib rapture.

Poooof!!!!....problem solved.
A little change here and there....a few omissions...presto!....a postrib rapture is born!!!!!!

Please do a study on Lev. 23 where "firstfruits" are defined. Only will the problem be solved when you stop denying Rev. 20:5, in whatever translation you prefer.

 

[Snackersmom]

.. I asked you why you couldn't accept something Jesus clearly said. But I get now why you can't.

John 8:47 "Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

Now that God explained that to me, I won't ask you anymore.


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I'm curious if there are any doctrinal differences wherein you would NOT consider the person who disagrees with you to be unsaved or apostate?

I'm not being cheeky, I'm genuinely curious if there are any.

 

[Lovette]

You reaffirming your doctrine declares the dead in Christ are raised after the living of rev 14:14?

Paul was in error that the dead in Christ rise first?
Ahead of the living?????

Yes, ahead of the living, therefore I ask you again, where is this "zeroth" resurrection? Nobody dies or rises in Rev. 14, the 144,000 are sealed by God under his protection.

 

[Lovette]

Jesus said his coming is compared to "before the flood."
Then gave the setting.
Oooops, that setting IN JESUS WORDS , is OPPOSITE you postrib rapture setting error.

Jesus himself disproved your deal.

Not only that, he said one taken, one left,
AGAIN...BEFORE THE FLOOD.

Do you agree with Jesus?
No you do not.

Then, you are unaware that because the gathering in Rev 14:14 is During the gt,
.....and you say the dead in Christ are raised after the trib, you have now placed the rapture AFTER THE LIVING GATHERED.
SMH

Then I suppose you are unaware that power is given to the AC DURING THE TRIB, and all take the mark, or die.

Are you going through the trib by taking the mark?

The bible says you take it or die.

So there is 3 things your doctrine stands against the word of God.

Your postrib rapture has no verses sir.
It is made up.
100% made up .
I will stick eith God's word.
No some emotions that despise the rapture.
You guys just hate the rapture concept and made up a rapture postrib.

Ask yourself why postribbers change the virgin parable.
That alone should bring a hundred red flags.
But they celebrate changing the bible.

"Taken" as in being swept away by the flood? From you, out of all people, who persistently accuses me of "omitting verse" and weaponizes Matt.24:40-41, yet being guilty of your own accusation.

For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:38-39)

 

[Lovette]

I'm curious if there are any doctrinal differences wherein you would NOT consider the person who disagrees with you to be unsaved or apostate?

I'm not being cheeky, I'm genuinely curious if there are any.

Those who have different biblical interpretations are not necessarily unsaved or apostate, those who use cherrypicked bible verses to justify their own doctrines that don't exist in the bible are.

 

[Snackersmom]

Those who have different biblical interpretations are not necessarily unsaved or apostate, those who use cherrypicked bible verses to justify their own doctrines that don't exist in the bible are.

I was asking the question to a specific member for a specific reason, but your opinion on the matter has been noted.

 

[Omegatime]

Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.