As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

[cv5]

Listened to this last night. Good stuff. He is very much like our pastor teacher.

Excellent.

There are none of these type of teachers around here. Like zero. Its a barren desert of hopelessness and ignorance.

Imagine having to go to Alaska of all places to find an oasis of knowledge.

 

[cv5]

But yet only for males.

The sign of circumcision was also anticipating the fact of the Last Adam who would undo the effects of the first Adam.
A male kinsman redeemer. Male being the salient fact.

 

[Wansvic]

Yes she was. But she is "inherently" a sinner because she inherited it from the father.

Nowhere in all the Bible, no passage, verse, type, metaphor or parable declares or insinuates in any way
that sin is inherited from the woman.

Only men are commanded to be circumcised. A sign. Of something that only applies to the man.

Something interesting that pertains to the topic. Sin is inherited from the father via the blood. And that is how Jesus was sin free even though He had a human mother. Jesus had the blood of God flowing through His veins. And it was that cleansing blood that was poured out in order to save mankind.

"One of the placenta’s main functions is to serve as the interface between the mother's and fetus's bloodstreams.
Nutrients and oxygen from the mother's blood pass into the baby's bloodstream through the placenta. Meanwhile, the baby excretes carbon dioxide and waste products through the umbilical blood vessels. BUT THE BLOOD OF THE FETUS AND THE BLOOD OF THE MOTHER NEVER MEET. The placenta handles the exchange."
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/discoveries/placenta.html

 

[ZNP]

Something interesting that pertains to the topic. Sin is inherited from the father via the blood. And that is how Jesus was sin free even though He had a human mother. Jesus had the blood of God flowing through His veins. And it was that cleansing blood that was poured out in order to save mankind.

"One of the placenta’s main functions is to serve as the interface between the mother's and fetus's bloodstreams.
Nutrients and oxygen from the mother's blood pass into the baby's bloodstream through the placenta. Meanwhile, the baby excretes carbon dioxide and waste products through the umbilical blood vessels. BUT THE BLOOD OF THE FETUS AND THE BLOOD OF THE MOTHER NEVER MEET. The placenta handles the exchange."
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/discoveries/placenta.html

Is that true only if the baby is a boy or does that also include girls?

 

[Kroogz]

This lecture will certainly answer your immediate questions. And more than that, answer questions that you have not (nor will likely ever) begun to so much as ask.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/21611322382/

I am auditioning this lecture as of today. And believe me.....it is EPIC in scope and devastating in terms of impact.

One key point in this sermon that I have a tendency to forget or overlook......God was sorry........He was weeping. As a perfect judge He has to carry out the sentence. He is angry, yet weeping as He has to carry out judgement. Our God cares deeply, and isn't some unfeeling tyrant in the sky.

Genesis 6:6
6 And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

 

[cv5]

One key point in this sermon that I have a tendency to forget or overlook......God was sorry........He was weeping. As a perfect judge He has to carry out the sentence. He is angry, yet weeping as He has to carry out judgement. Our God cares deeply, and isn't some unfeeling tyrant in the sky.

Genesis 6:6
6 And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

The "type" of David weeping and lamenting over the death of Absalom makes this abundantly clear.

David a type of Christ
Absalom a type of Satan/Judas/the AC

Another point: Jesus gives the sop of honor to Judas in a last ditch effort to have him repent. Sort of.
Jesus loves Judas the son of perdition.
The kiss in the garden is a kiss of goodby forever IMO.

 

[Wansvic]

Is that true only if the baby is a boy or does that also include girls?

Both. That is why the entire human race is born with sin.

Jesus is the exception because He did not have an earthly father.

That is why being born again is required of all those living in the NT.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The Jews have yet to have circumcision of the heart because they have not yet become a Hebrew they refuse to welcome the lord.

They have not yet been saved.

Only the Hebrew has circumcision of the heart. And the Jews are still under a covenant that is separate to the Hebrew 😂

 

[BEB1956]

Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The text plainly says the children of the fallen angels and human women are the Nephilim. They were endowed with massive size and power. I believe the Greek Legends derive from these guys. Although I am not saying all that the Greek Legends say is accurate.

But it does mention "AND ALSO AFTWERWARD"...

So what comes also afterward? The text says the Giants, or Nephilim come after. After what? The flood.

Does this mean MORE fallen angels mate with women after the flood? I don't think so. Seems very unlikely, although possible. It appears not ALL the angels that fell with Satan committed this sin that Jude and Peter talk about. But they would have seen the immediate, incredibly harsh judgement, and place where those that did are kept. Tartarus!

The word is used only ONE time in Scripture, and in most translations is usually rendered as "hell". It's unfortunate because this confuses people. Most of the western world think of hell as the lake of fire. That word is Gehenna in the NT.

2 Peter 2:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell (TARTARUS) and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

So what do we know about "Tartarus"? Really not too much. This from Wikipedia of all places:

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tártaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night, and Time.

This definition is not totally accurate. There is no Biblical proof that any humans went to Tartarus, Tartarus is not Hades/Sheol, but it's does paint an awful picture of where these particular fallen angels currently are.


The point is, the rest of the angels wouldn't want any part of that place.

The True God who is the author of the scriptures, has never
taught that false gods and the things false gods teach is true. What I'm saying is that when the scriptures use the word tartarus God wasn't saying that the titans really existed so he was saying that a place like tartarus actually existed. The word tartaroo twas used at 2 Peter 2:4 and it doesn't mean that the angels that sinned were actually thrown into some mythological place called tartarus because it didn't actually exist. 2 Peter 2:4 instead indicates that the angels that sinned were abased by God from their heavenly positions which they held before they sinned, losing their privileges and then they were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God's spiritual light concerning his purposes. These angels that sinned are forever bound to not ever be able to materialize flesh and blood bodies again or receive God's spiritual enlightenment.

 

[PennEd]

The True God who is the author of the scriptures, has never
taught that false gods and the things false gods teach is true. What I'm saying is that when the scriptures use the word tartarus God wasn't saying that the titans really existed so he was saying that a place like tartarus actually existed. The word tartaroo twas used at 2 Peter 2:4 and it doesn't mean that the angels that sinned were actually thrown into some mythological place called tartarus because it didn't actually exist. 2 Peter 2:4 instead indicates that the angels that sinned were abased by God from their heavenly positions which they held before they sinned, losing their privileges and then they were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God's spiritual light concerning his purposes. These angels that sinned are forever bound to not ever be able to materialize flesh and blood bodies again or receive God's spiritual enlightenment.

No.

Complete private interpretation ya got there.

 

[cv5]

The True God who is the author of the scriptures, has never
taught that false gods and the things false gods teach is true. What I'm saying is that when the scriptures use the word tartarus God wasn't saying that the titans really existed so he was saying that a place like tartarus actually existed. The word tartaroo twas used at 2 Peter 2:4 and it doesn't mean that the angels that sinned were actually thrown into some mythological place called tartarus because it didn't actually exist. 2 Peter 2:4 instead indicates that the angels that sinned were abased by God from their heavenly positions which they held before they sinned, losing their privileges and then they were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God's spiritual light concerning his purposes. These angels that sinned are forever bound to not ever be able to materialize flesh and blood bodies again or receive God's spiritual enlightenment.

See Isaiah 24:21-22.

First punished by imprisonment and then punished AGAIN after many days.
Tartarus then lake of fire.

 

[BEB1956]

See Isaiah 24:21-22.

First punished by imprisonment and then punished AGAIN after many days.
Tartarus then lake of fire.

I'm not going to take what belongs to false God's and say that a place like tartarus actually exists because just as the titans don't actually exist neither does tartarus. Tartarus was just used as symbolism to help us understand that the angels that sinned will forever be in spiritual darkness and have forever lost their positions of authority they had before they sinned and their future is eternal destruction by the lake of fire.

 

[BEB1956]

No.

Complete private interpretation ya got there.

If you want to believe false gods like the titans or any other false god the scriptures speak about actually exist then go for it. I know false gods don't actually exist. Any false god the scriptures speak about is just a deception that Satan and his demons have deceived people into believing they actually exist. That's why God doesn't want us having anything to do with idols that represent false gods, because you're worshipping Satan and his demons when you believe these false gods actually exist and you worship them. So I know that words like tartarus are symbolic, because such a place doesn't actually exist just as those false gods the Greeks called titans don't actually exist. God doesn't teach anyone that false gods actually exist, so such places as tartarus actually exist, either. The word tartarus is to be used symbolically for utter darkness. The angels that sinned are in a condition of greatest spiritual darkness and abasement. Their future is the lake of fire.

 

[cv5]

I'm not going to take what belongs to false God's and say that a place like tartarus actually exists because just as the titans don't actually exist neither does tartarus. Tartarus was just used as symbolism

Its simply Greek jargon that happens to fit reasonably well to the fact of the matter.

The idea is PRISON. Nothing about false gods is there.

 

[BEB1956]

Its simply Greek jargon that happens to fit reasonably well to the fact of the matter.

The idea is PRISON. Nothing about false gods is there.

Its simply Greek jargon that happens to fit reasonably well to the fact of the matter.

The idea is PRISON. Nothing about false gods is there.

I understand what you believe. It's just that I understand that tartarus comes from Greek mythology, that it was a prison like place that when the Greek gods Zeus, Ares, etc defeated the mythology Greek titans, they punished them by throwing them and imprisoning them in tartarus. Like I said Tartarus comes from Greek mythology. So just as I don't believe the Greek gods zeus, Ares and so forth truly ever existed and I never believed that the titans ever existed so I don't believe that tartarus ever really existed. Tartarus is from Greek mythology, it from false gods. So just because the scriptures used the word tartarus, doesn't mean in any way that God was saying by using the word tartarus that it was a real place that actually existed just like the Greek gods, Zeus, Ares, Apollo, or that the titans, Oceans Coeus, Hyperion, ever actually existed. So of course there was never an actual place called tartarus that actually ever existed. If others want to believe these false gods from Greek mythology truly actually existed and that tartarus was a real actual place that exists that's their choice. I wil! Continue to believe false gods don't actually exist. So I will continue to believe that when the scriptures use the word tartarus, it doesn't mean that the True God was teaching us that it's actual real place where the Greek titans are at. I will continue to believe that God simply used the word symbolically to help us understand that these angels that sinned are in a condition of dense spiritual darkness. So these angels are put under restraint and deprived of any divine enlightenment

 

[cv5]

I understand what you believe. It's just that I understand that tartarus comes from Greek mythology, that it was a prison like place that when the Greek gods Zeus, Ares, etc defeated the mythology Greek titans, they punished them by throwing them and imprisoning them in tartarus. Like I said Tartarus comes from Greek mythology. So just as I don't believe the Greek gods zeus, Ares and so forth truly ever existed and I never believed that the titans ever existed so I don't believe that tartarus ever really existed. Tartarus is from Greek mythology, it from false gods. So just because the scriptures used the word tartarus, doesn't mean in any way that God was saying by using the word tartarus that it was a real place that actually existed just like the Greek gods, Zeus, Ares, Apollo, or that the titans, Oceans Coeus, Hyperion, ever actually existed. So of course there was never an actual place called tartarus that actually ever existed. If others want to believe these false gods from Greek mythology truly actually existed and that tartarus was a real actual place that exists that's their choice. I wil! Continue to believe false gods don't actually exist. So I will continue to believe that when the scriptures use the word tartarus, it doesn't mean that the True God was teaching us that it's actual real place where the Greek titans are at. I will continue to believe that God simply used the word symbolically to help us understand that these angels that sinned are in a condition of dense spiritual darkness. So these angels are put under restraint and deprived of any divine enlightenment

Nobody in their right mind thinks that using the word tartarus also invokes the notion of believing in false Greek gods. Ridiculous. Peter was not an idiot.

 

[BEB1956]

Nobody in their right mind thinks that using the word tartarus also invokes the notion of believing in false Greek gods. Ridiculous. Peter was not an idiot.

Which is why I was saying Peter wasn't saying these wicked angels were in a actual real place called tartarus, because just as these Greek gods and the titans don't really exist, how could the Greek gods throw the titans in a real place that was a prison. Since the Greek gods and the titans don't really exist neither does tartarus really exist as a prison. So what I was saying is that Peter used the Greek word tartarus, not to teach that it was a real place but he used it to teach that God has placed these wicked angels in a condition because of the wickedness they did, during Noah's day. God has put these wicked angels in divine spiritual darkness because God no longer gives them any kind of divine spiritual enlightenment, plus God has kept these wicked angels under restraint so that they can no longer materialize bodies that looked human like they could before, during the days of Noah, and the only future these wicked angels have is eternal destruction in the lake of fire.

 

[PennEd]

Which is why I was saying Peter wasn't saying these wicked angels were in a actual real place called tartarus,

Says who? This is YOUR private interpretation. The Word says after they sinned they were tossed into Tartarus. Who are you to alter that?

because just as these Greek gods and the titans don't really exist, how could the Greek gods throw the titans in a real place that was a prison. Since the Greek gods and the titans don't really exist neither does tartarus really exist as a prison.

Virtually EVERY ancient religion or cult, from the Babylonians to the Mayans, believed in a place of torment that the damned dead went called some form of Hell. So because they believed that it means that there is NO place called Hell?

So what I was saying is that Peter used the Greek word tartarus, not to teach that it was a real place but he used it to teach that God has placed these wicked angels in a condition

Back to, SAYS WHO?! You reasoned that in your own mind, with no Scriptural support, and then just say "Make It So!".

 

[Kroogz]

I understand what you believe. It's just that I understand that tartarus comes from Greek mythology, that it was a prison like place that when the Greek gods Zeus, Ares, etc defeated the mythology Greek titans, they punished them by throwing them and imprisoning them in tartarus. Like I said Tartarus comes from Greek mythology. So just as I don't believe the Greek gods zeus, Ares and so forth truly ever existed and I never believed that the titans ever existed so I don't believe that tartarus ever really existed. Tartarus is from Greek mythology, it from false gods. So just because the scriptures used the word tartarus, doesn't mean in any way that God was saying by using the word tartarus that it was a real place that actually existed just like the Greek gods, Zeus, Ares, Apollo, or that the titans, Oceans Coeus, Hyperion, ever actually existed. So of course there was never an actual place called tartarus that actually ever existed. If others want to believe these false gods from Greek mythology truly actually existed and that tartarus was a real actual place that exists that's their choice. I wil! Continue to believe false gods don't actually exist. So I will continue to believe that when the scriptures use the word tartarus, it doesn't mean that the True God was teaching us that it's actual real place where the Greek titans are at. I will continue to believe that God simply used the word symbolically to help us understand that these angels that sinned are in a condition of dense spiritual darkness. So these angels are put under restraint and deprived of any divine enlightenment

tartaroó: to cast into hell
Original Word: ταρταρόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: tartaroó
Phonetic Spelling: (tar-tar-o'-o)
Definition: to cast into hell
Usage: I thrust down to Tartarus or Gehenna.

Jewish apocalyptic literature described Tártaros as the place where fallen angels were sent as the lowest, darkest, gloomiest hell, the deepest pit and the most terrible place of torture and suffering. This term came later to refer to the region of the lost dead. It is found only once in the NT in its verbal form in this verse.

https://www.preceptaustin.org/2_peter_24-11#2:4

 

[BEB1956]

Says who? This is YOUR private interpretation. The Word says after they sinned they were tossed into Tartarus. Who are you to alter that?


Virtually EVERY ancient religion or cult, from the Babylonians to the Mayans, believed in a place of torment that the damned dead went called some form of Hell. So because they believed that it means that there is NO place called Hell?

Back to, SAYS WHO?! You reasoned that in your own mind, with no Scriptural support, and then just say "Make It So!".

If you or anyone want to believe that every religion, from the Babylonians to the Mayans, taught the truth that's your right. Myself I believe that the religions from the Babylonians to the Mayans were people who believed in false gods. So these gods from the Babylonians to the Mayans believed in, didn't really exist. Satan and his demons have deceived all these people that these false gods from the Babylonians to the Mayans believed in, are real, and so the things these people believed in such as human beings having a living soul that separated from the human body and went to a place of happiness or misery are false. Genesis 2:7 teaches that human beings are living souls not that human beings have living souls. So at death a human being is no longer a living soul or living person. So from the research of the scriptures concerning a human beings death that I have made, since a human being is no longer a living soul when a human being dies it's impossible to feel anything such as happiness or misery because when you're dead you're dead. Death is the opposite of life, meaning death is the cessation of all functions of life. I know most people don't believe this. Most people, agree with what you stated, "Virtually EVERY ancient religion or cult, from the Babylonians to the Mayans, believed in a place of torment that the damned dead went called some form of Hell." But like I said, from the Babylonians to the Mayans, these were people who believed in false gods. False gods didn't and don't really exist. I don't believe what the people from the Babylonians to the Mayans believed in because I believe when I listen and believe what these people from the Babylonians to the Mayans teach to be true, they're actually believing and teaching what Satan and his demons want me to believe is true. I honestly believe these people from the Babylonians to the Mayans were believing and worshipping false gods so they were listening and believing what Satan and his demons were saying was true.