I have already answered this question. Am i to presume you believe the Earth IS stationary?
Ask away.. I am willing to answer any question any about my biblical beliefs
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Well you know I never argue with scripture. Why dont you post a list of scripture that says the Earth does not move.
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Crossfire
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If this were true Grandpa then why do so many choose to ignore walking in love for people in exchange for the love of knowledge?
While I realize that it would be wrong of me to judge an entire category of people according to the words and actions of a minority, I can honestly say that of all the Calvinists / Reformed church members that I have met in real life and online (which have been several), I can count on one hand the number of them who acted in humility and seemed to possess genuine love and respect for others outside of their own gatherings. As for the rest, they seem to value knowledge more than anything else and have allowed that knowledge to make them prideful and arrogant. That's why I feel that Calvinism has become at best a form of intellectualism based entirley on cold hearted doctrine, not a heart that has truly been converted by the love of God.
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Crossfire
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You mean to tell me that in all of your studies that you fail to realize the importance of extending the grace that you have been so freely given by God to others?
"Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen," 2 Pet. 3:17-18
Google it...if your interested.
I've done the debate TO DEATH.
LINKS:
Yahoo News to Creationists : You Lose (Heliocentricity Vs Geocentricity Scientific Debate)
Biblical Geocentricity
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DiscipleWilliam
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Yea...I have a question, besides your self-evidenced ignorance of Holy Writ and lack of comprehension regarding the sovereignty of God, who makes the first move in salvation God or man?
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Crossfire
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Whether you all want to believe it or not, we are saved by grace through faith in Christ and by faith alone. Our salvation does not rest on whether or not we believe in Calvinism, Arminianism, amillennialism, premillennialism, once saved always saved, the baptism of the Holy Ghost or some other secondary doctrine.
Who are you to doubt the validity of another's salvation who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ just because they might disagree with you on several points? Those who are guilty of doing so need to repent and turn away from their foolish prideful behavior!
Who are you to doubt the validity of another's salvation who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ just because they might disagree with you on several points? Those who are guilty of doing so need to repent and turn away from their foolish prideful behavior!
If I may....
God did, when He raised Jesus Christ from the dead, and told us in His word what is required for salvation, that we confess Jesus Christ as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead.
God has moved. Now it's your move. By the freedom of your will, which God gave you, accept him or reject him.
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jimmydiggs
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Ad Hominem Fallacy much?
Yes. Let's move to a subject that doesn't kill pride.
They can post as well. They are not being blocked from the forum.
Yes. Actually, I do.
Do you believe the trinity?
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DiscipleWilliam
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Greetings,
I would disagree slightly with that. God made the first move in salvation before that, in His foreknowledge and predestination [Romans 8:29-30]. The atoning sacrifice that was committed on the cross was to expunge the debt account and bring the balance of the outstanding account to -0-. The Holy Spirit is the seal of our redemption. You say, "God has moved. Now it's your move." This isn't chess, we are not playing chess with our Holy Creator whose name is to forever be praised! Understand your situation and humble yourself friend. Before your were blessed with saving grace what were you free to do for God. Can someone who is dead in trespasses and sins [Eph. 2:1-5] make a 'free will' choice to chose God?
Better yet, can a corpse at a funeral do anything positive besides decompose? Can a condemned prisoner on death row pardon his own conviction without an external advocate (i.e. warden or Governor)?
The Unsaved don't seek the true God
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
Psalms 10:4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek [God]; God [is] in none of his thoughts.
Psalms 14:2-3 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. (3) They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.
Psalms 119:155 Salvation [is] far from the wicked, For they do not seek Your statutes.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 64:7 And [there is] none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
Isa 65:1 I am sought of [them that] asked not [for me]; I am found of [them that] sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation [that] was not called by my name.
Hos 7:10 And the pride of Israel testifieth to his face: and they do not return to the LORD their God, nor seek him for all this.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Matthew 18:12-14 "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? (13) "And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. (14) "Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
John 8:43-47 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. (44) You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (45) But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. (46) Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? (47) He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Romans 8:5-9 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (6) For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (8) So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (9) But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
{In verse 7, "nor indeed can be" means "for it is unable to do so".}
{Unregenerate man is unable to do what is "pleasing to God"; namely, repent & believe}
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DiscipleWilliam
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Crossfire
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4Runner,
You shouldn't have to defend your faith in Christ. Neither should any of these people question your faith.
For everyone else,
The bible tells us that when we believe that we have encountered someone who is in error and they refuse to accept "correction" then you are to walk away from them having nothing to do with them other than keeping them in prayer that God might reach them. You are not to argue with that person, call that person a heretic, or ridicule that person. By doing so you are every bit in error as the person who you claim is in error. I repeat:
YOU ALL ARE IN ERROR
If you do not like 4runner and his unwillingness to accept your point of view then you should ignore him and pray for him rather than causing an uproar. If you are unable to resist the flesh then maybe you should take some time away from this website. Your arguing, insults and the like are doing more to hurt the gospel than to help it. While you might think you are some kind of watchdog, in reality you have become a wolf in sheep's clothing.
This thread needs to end....
You shouldn't have to defend your faith in Christ. Neither should any of these people question your faith.
For everyone else,
The bible tells us that when we believe that we have encountered someone who is in error and they refuse to accept "correction" then you are to walk away from them having nothing to do with them other than keeping them in prayer that God might reach them. You are not to argue with that person, call that person a heretic, or ridicule that person. By doing so you are every bit in error as the person who you claim is in error. I repeat:
YOU ALL ARE IN ERROR
If you do not like 4runner and his unwillingness to accept your point of view then you should ignore him and pray for him rather than causing an uproar. If you are unable to resist the flesh then maybe you should take some time away from this website. Your arguing, insults and the like are doing more to hurt the gospel than to help it. While you might think you are some kind of watchdog, in reality you have become a wolf in sheep's clothing.
This thread needs to end....
There is nothing wrong with my statement. God made it available for all men to be saved. All He requires is faith in Christ.
Seek Him.
Yes. He has to, if he wants to be saved.
No, a corpse is dead. We were spiritually dead. When we act on Romans 10:9, we receive holy spirit, and are no longer spiritually dead.
No. Our advocate is Jesus Christ.
If they seek the God of the bible, the God and father of the Lord Jesus Christ, they do. That's how they become saved.
Those who hunger and thirst after righteousness shall be filled.
A quote from the OT. Due to the old man nature of sin, all men will sin.
Yes. The religious jews had Jesus crucified because of their unbelief in him.
We were ALL lost without Christ. He, through his sacrifice, made salvation available to all.
Yes. Due to the activity of devil spirits, and the willingness of man to participate, things were BAD.
But lets not forget Noah:
v8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
v9) ...Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
This is definitely true.
This is the verse quoted in Rom 3:11
And yet David, a man after God's own heart, did.
Yes. All men sin. Every single one. All our sin was laid on Christ.
But "unregenerate man" can know good from bad, and seek good. People who seek God will find Him. Natural man can ask questions like "why am I here", "is there a God". As he seeks, he will find.
Rom 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
God has done all He can to save mankind. The rest is up to each person, to accept or reject.
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King James Bible
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God
So Faith too is supplied
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God
So Faith too is supplied