Ask me anything.

[I_am_Canadian]

really - no one was forced to stay on reserves? What, they just made themselves? Entire populations were relocated to reserves!

huh we talk about whats happening it all the time...yes people are victims because alcohol and things like guns were brought because of the white man anyway. Before they came, there were no alcohol and no guns. The Maori fought each other, yes, but with spears and clubs.

Alcohol is still a problem everywhere it knows no race! We definitely talk about that. And we have an entire Ministry dedicated to housing and child welfare. i.e Kainga Ora, Oranga Tamariki. It's the basic necessities.

The grievances are being resolved, but it takes time, even decades to put right...people are patient, they aren't even asking for that much, what they want is original precious lands back or at least restored, it's not about the money. Money really is just a pay off, or hush money to forget it ever happened.

well you can't forget a thing like that - that's affecting generations of families.

So yea, I think it should be talked about and not glossed over.

Have you ever read the treaties?

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In exchange for the land they were given 160 acres per family of 5, as well as a school and school master, lad for farming, We think of reserves as a bad thing, and the truth is the reserve based on the treaties are land that was resereved expressly for the natives, where they could hunt, and continue to live the way they always lived, as well as receiving education and farm land.

In Treaty 3 for the building of a road they wanted $10.00 per man, woman and child as long as the sun shines.... and certain supplies for celebration
"The Saulteaux also wanted rations of pork, tea, tobacco and flour to be used in celebrations conducted when the government distributed the annual payments. (See also Treaty Day.)"

For the settlement of white settlers the government had to buy the land, how ever they didn't use the current cash and carry system we have today, back then they could trade land for land, land for cash, land for goods and services.

They sold their land under the barter system, x number of acres per person, medicine, annual payments, honorary salaries for chiefs, schools and teachers, etc...
In Return they got to keep land where they could hunt, fish, farm, log, and continue their way of life with out our interference. Yes some deals were made under the honour system and settled with a handshake.

I don't think their is anything to put right, they had their say and representation in all negotiations, they sold the land for a fair trade.

If you don't understand the barter system, then yes it does look like the got ripped off unfairly. I think they are taking advantage of our ignorance to get back land they sold off and has become much more valuable and profitable since the trade/sale.

 

[I_am_Canadian]

Yeah that is what is happening my own life right now actually, out of nowhere too so I get it.

christian heritage party of canada, i will have to check that out.

And yeah it is a flop with my generation, but that is okay. whoever God chooses to save will still be saved no matter what I/we see.

Understandable

Here is the link.

Christian Heritage Party | CHP Canada

The Christian Heritage Party of Canada (CHP Canada) is Canada's only Pro-life political party. We are both fiscally and socially conservative.

www.chp.ca

that is true amen.

 

[Lanolin]

Have you ever read the treaties?

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In exchange for the land they were given 160 acres per family of 5, as well as a school and school master, lad for farming, We think of reserves as a bad thing, and the truth is the reserve based on the treaties are land that was resereved expressly for the natives, where they could hunt, and continue to live the way they always lived, as well as receiving education and farm land.

In Treaty 3 for the building of a road they wanted $10.00 per man, woman and child as long as the sun shines.... and certain supplies for celebration
"The Saulteaux also wanted rations of pork, tea, tobacco and flour to be used in celebrations conducted when the government distributed the annual payments. (See also Treaty Day.)"

For the settlement of white settlers the government had to buy the land, how ever they didn't use the current cash and carry system we have today, back then they could trade land for land, land for cash, land for goods and services.

They sold their land under the barter system, x number of acres per person, medicine, annual payments, honorary salaries for chiefs, schools and teachers, etc...
In Return they got to keep land where they could hunt, fish, farm, log, and continue their way of life with out our interference. Yes some deals were made under the honour system and settled with a handshake.

I don't think their is anything to put right, they had their say and representation in all negotiations, they sold the land for a fair trade.

If you don't understand the barter system, then yes it does look like the got ripped off unfairly. I think they are taking advantage of our ignorance to get back land they sold off and has become much more valuable and profitable since the trade/sale.

We had treaties too - Treaty of Waitangi. But what happened after the treaty was the New Zealand Wars.

Also land was traded not bought or sold. But land was also confiscated and fought over. There were two specific instances of where it was unfair - King Country and Parihaka. There was also Gate Pa and Bastion Point. (I don't expect you to know about these)

That was the injustice in New Zealand.

I don't know if it was just the Inuit in Canada that was forcibly moved up North or whether they got the raw deal in one of their treaties, but I do know that actually happened to that tribe. There are lots of different tribes.

Of course that may be glossed over in the history that you know or were told.

 

[Lanolin]

Looks like govt has since apologised, hallelujah!

I remember reading about it, must have been before they did that. It might have been because of that book I read (it was written by a investigative journalist) If I can remember the name of the book ----! It was several years ago now.

Anyway google AI tells me this ----

Forcible removal of Inuit has occurred primarily through state-sponsored relocations for territorial sovereignty, assimilationist child-welfare systems, and forced contraception programs. [1, 2, 3]

1. High Arctic Relocations (Canada)
In the 1930s and 1950s, the Canadian government forcibly or coercively relocated dozens of Inuit families from northern Quebec and Baffin Island to the barren High Arctic (such as Grise Fiord and Resolute Bay). The government promised better living conditions and abundant wildlife, but relocatees faced starvation, extreme isolation, and were separated from their home communities. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The government used these Inuit families to establish and solidify Canada's sovereignty in the far north. Canada formally apologized for this program, delivering settlements to affected families and descendants. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

[Lanolin]

IN New Zealand, the only 'reserve' that sort of operates under sole Maori jurisdiction and where anyone not Maori is not allowed to go or interfere is the Uruwera Ranges.

This is from the DOC (Department of Conservation) website -
Remote, rugged, immense, Te Urewera is the home of the Tūhoe people and is famous for its lakes and forested beauty.
Te Urewera is recognised in New Zealand law as a living person. Te Urewera is spoken for and governed by a board. Care for Te Urewera, including the tracks and facilities, is carried out by Te Uru Taumatua – Ngāi Tūhoe’s operational entity.
Te Uru Taumatua are working to develop a new kind of visitor experience – one that is rich with culture, appreciation of Papatūānuku, and care for nature and people. Manuhiri (visitors) are welcome in Te Urewera and are encouraged to experience this unique and special place.

Te Uru Taumatua are making changes to visitor infrastructure and huts are being removed.

Note - The 'living person' thing is a legal personhood law thats designed to protect or conserve a natural area.

I haven't been to this area of course but if I did I would need to be invited to go or go on the tribes terms because it's their home, I'm not from their tribe (no Maori in my family at all)

The Maori who have lost jobs and livelihood in rural areas left to them and needed to migrate to urban areas don't have much capital and had to adjust living to a Pakeha way of life which is now a money based system. It hasn't been easy for them.

So anyway there has been a great deal of poverty, some have been successful, others not so much. Because they live tribally or communally, it's not the thing for them to have individual careers like Pakeha are used to make their own way in life and own property etc.

Just some background. I'm not resentful of govt prioritising their voting rights or healthcare needs or education opportunities...they really need it. Some it is really a band aid to cover deeper issues though.

 

[Lanolin]

Sorry for all the long posts it's just there's a lot of misconceptions I want to clear up, and as Canada has an indigenous population like New Zealand I kind of want to know what's happening with them and how it affects everyone in Canada.

 

[Lanolin]

It was this book - the Long Exile by Melanie McGrath.

there's this blog about it

A long goodbye to The Long Exile

It is time – past time! – for me to bid farewell to The Long Exile by Melanie McGrath. I’ve already written about this remarkable book, in conjunction with a discussion of this …

robertarood.wordpress.com

I remember reading it at the time and being quietly horrified.
People go on about the Holocaust and what happened to the Jews (they were also exiled from their homeland) and then expelled from the lands they went to, until they were given Israel back only to find the Brits hoodwinked them and people already living in 'Zion' didn't want their Jewish majority govt imposed on the land they had been living on for centuries.

But yea thats another political minefield.

The thing about the Holocaust is the Jewish people made sure nobody forgot it, and there's memorials and such like and accounts about it to ensure it never happens again. But it's not the only genocide thats happened (and still happening) around the world.

 

[I_am_Canadian]

We had treaties too - Treaty of Waitangi. But what happened after the treaty was the New Zealand Wars.

Also land was traded not bought or sold. But land was also confiscated and fought over. There were two specific instances of where it was unfair - King Country and Parihaka. There was also Gate Pa and Bastion Point. (I don't expect you to know about these)

That was the injustice in New Zealand.

I don't know if it was just the Inuit in Canada that was forcibly moved up North or whether they got the raw deal in one of their treaties, but I do know that actually happened to that tribe. There are lots of different tribes.

Of course that may be glossed over in the history that you know or were told.

Thanks for sharing,
no that is the first I have ever heard of it.

 

[Lanolin]

Ok yea
In NZ children aren't even taught their own history of our nation, I grew up with stories about the Treaty but knew nothing about the New Zealand Wars that came after it.
I've been to the Treaty grounds up at Waitangi, I get in for discount, international visitors have to pay double.

Basically it's all about land, who can use it and what for. There's many sides to the story.
The land I live on now, used to be a former apple orchard, and that parcel of land originally was lowland forest as I live near a creek/estuary. The town I live in was traded by the tribe Te Kawerau a Maki to a pakeha settler and is named after him. He established a mill to cut down all the Kauri trees and other natives to sell for timber, some of it exported back to England or to make houses and ship masts. Later when that ran out, it was gum from the trees that was dug out of the ground. And then the lad got turned into vineyards and orchards by Dalmatian settlers

ANYWAY I recall it was traded from the chief of the Maori tribe for some guns, tobacco, clothing, some nails and a boat.

I don't really know much about the history of Canada, except that settlers used it for hunting fur because that was a popular and profitable commodity at the time. Not sure what kind of fur. Was it beavers?

 

[I_am_Canadian]

Ok yea
In NZ children aren't even taught their own history of our nation, I grew up with stories about the Treaty but knew nothing about the New Zealand Wars that came after it.
I've been to the Treaty grounds up at Waitangi, I get in for discount, international visitors have to pay double.

Basically it's all about land, who can use it and what for. There's many sides to the story.
The land I live on now, used to be a former apple orchard, and that parcel of land originally was lowland forest as I live near a creek/estuary. The town I live in was traded by the tribe Te Kawerau a Maki to a pakeha settler and is named after him. He established a mill to cut down all the Kauri trees and other natives to sell for timber, some of it exported back to England or to make houses and ship masts. Later when that ran out, it was gum from the trees that was dug out of the ground. And then the lad got turned into vineyards and orchards by Dalmatian settlers

ANYWAY I recall it was traded from the chief of the Maori tribe for some guns, tobacco, clothing, some nails and a boat.

I don't really know much about the history of Canada, except that settlers used it for hunting fur because that was a popular and profitable commodity at the time. Not sure what kind of fur. Was it beavers?

Interesting,
I really don't know what kind of furs, I never really had the heart to learn or care.

 

[Lanolin]

Well nobody wears furs much these days except for sheepskins.
So what do you wear to keep warm up Canada ways? Merino? Polypropylene? Oodies?

 

[Lanolin]

Down feathers?

 

[I_am_Canadian]

Well nobody wears furs much these days except for sheepskins.
So what do you wear to keep warm up Canada ways? Merino? Polypropylene? Oodies?

Fat lol

 

[I_am_Canadian]

Down feathers?

Are they better than Up feathers?

 

[Lanolin]

Are they better than Up feathers?

Yea they are fluffier.

The up feathers are waterproof though.

 

[Lanolin]

Do you put maple syrup in your hair? It's sticky and looks like it would condition it well.

Or are there other uses for it aside from pouring over pancakes?

 

[I_am_Canadian]

Yea they are fluffier.

The up feathers are waterproof though.

I didn't know up or down feathers existed. What are they?

 

[Lanolin]

I didn't know up or down feathers existed. What are they?

Down feathers are a bird's undercoat, they are fluffy, small, and designed to keep them warm.
Up feathers are a bird's overcoat, waterproof, smooth, maybe oily and whatever colour that makes them distinctive. They help a bird fly.

Down feathers can fill pillows, duvets, sleeping bags and puffy jackets. Mostly from geese or ducks.

??OMG you have Canada geese and you don't know about feathers?? And you have a picture of them in your avatar? That would be like me not knowing what wool is!

 

[Lanolin]

Were you joking that you didn't know what it was so I'd reply and have to mansplain it?

 

[I_am_Canadian]

Down feathers are a bird's undercoat, they are fluffy, small, and designed to keep them warm.
Up feathers are a bird's overcoat, waterproof, smooth, maybe oily and whatever colour that makes them distinctive. They help a bird fly.

Down feathers can fill pillows, duvets, sleeping bags and puffy jackets. Mostly from geese or ducks.

??OMG you have Canada geese and you don't know about feathers?? And you have a picture of them in your avatar? That would be like me not knowing what wool is!

Oh, lol
interesting,
Gotta admit that is funny though lol.
I never studied ornothology.

Birds have feathers, that is all I know.