Attack on Moscow!

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HealthAndHappiness

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The US, aren't these the same ones who thought Russia blew up their own pipeline?
When you say the "US", I don't think it wise to throw everyone in the states into the same collective bag of culpability.
We learned about the crimes from the news, but took no part in them.

I think that someone has interest in escalating the war with LOT$$$$$$$$$
of $$$$$$$$. Not only is he not playing with a full deck, but he's not playing with his own monopoly money.
 

ZNP

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When you say the "US", I don't think it wise to throw everyone in the states into the same collective bag of culpability.
We learned about the crimes from the news, but took no part in them.

I think that someone has interest in escalating the war with LOT$$$$$$$$$
of $$$$$$$$. Not only is he not playing with a full deck, but he's not playing with his own monopoly money.
In a democracy you get the government you deserve. This is not simply the result of people being asleep for one election, this has been 50-70 years in the making.
 

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In a democracy you get the government you deserve. This is not simply the result of people being asleep for one election, this has been 50-70 years in the making.
A while back I decided to divorce myself from the collective guilt way of thinking.

I see those who captured power and committed those crimes as enemies. They see Christians as enemies too.
They are led by principalities and powers, spiritual wickedness in high places.
I serve the Lord in His spiritual kingdom .
The people of the USA have been slowly conquered from within, I think you agree, since WW2+/-.
In many ways they are a reflection of much of the collective population.
I just don't identify with them. They don't identify with me either.
 
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What did I ask Nehemiah earlier?




Who is on your list for motives, Charlie?
I don't think this attack had anything to do with money. It was a revenge attack on Russians by Islamic extremists. Russians have a very bad relationship with Muslims.
 

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I used to get all worked up about this stuff like you guys. I was talking about it with my pastor and he made the point that there is so much evil on the front stage to deal with you don’t need to drive yourself crazy trying to figure out all the evil going on backstage.
 

ZNP

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A while back I decided to divorce myself from the collective guilt way of thinking.

I see those who captured power and committed those crimes as enemies. They see Christians as enemies too.
They are led by principalities and powers, spiritual wickedness in high places.
I serve the Lord in His spiritual kingdom .
The people of the USA have been slowly conquered from within, I think you agree, since WW2+/-.
In many ways they are a reflection of much of the collective population.
I just don't identify with them. They don't identify with me either.
All believers are supposed to be ambassadors of the kingdom of the heavens. An ambassador lives in a country but is not part of that country. However, like Paul we have dual status, we can claim our status as citizens and we can also claim our status as ambassadors.

The restrainer refers to the Holy Spirit and those who are filled with the Spirit and are one with Him. We are not restraining one political party or the other, we are restraining evil.

No one can wash their hands of the sin, either you are one with the Holy Spirit in restraining evil or you aren't.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I don't think this attack had anything to do with money. It was a revenge attack on Russians by Islamic extremists. Russians have a very bad relationship with Muslims.
They weren't trying to capture territory, so you may be right. Looking from the outcome, it seems like they were attempting a provocation. There were other ways to kill more than that, but they chose a peculiar way to attack.

I thought Russia was preoccupied with Ukraine. Are they attacking any mid eastern nations too?
 

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All believers are supposed to be ambassadors of the kingdom of the heavens. An ambassador lives in a country but is not part of that country. However, like Paul we have dual status, we can claim our status as citizens and we can also claim our status as ambassadors.

The restrainer refers to the Holy Spirit and those who are filled with the Spirit and are one with Him. We are not restraining one political party or the other, we are restraining evil.

No one can wash their hands of the sin, either you are one with the Holy Spirit in restraining evil or you aren't.
But what about the constitution and the Separation of powers? Trump is running on the Consolidation of powers. As citizens of the United States, and especially those of us that are sons of the Revolution shouldn’t we rise against Trump to prevent him from changing The very fabric of our country?

He posted this on his Truth Social. It Lays out a plan to bypass the constitution in order to establish consolidation of powers.

https://www.project2025.org/
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I used to get all worked up about this stuff like you guys. I was talking about it with my pastor and he made the point that there is so much evil on the front stage to deal with you don’t need to drive yourself crazy trying to figure out all the evil going on backstage.
Lol. Who's getting "worked up "?
I think we're pretty calm considering an attack happened on the biggest conventional military power's capital AND they might blame it on America. I can't speak for others, but I'm looking forward to a good night sleep shortly.

I do agree with you are getting at the point that we shouldn't live in fear of the unknown.
What I'm doing with this is to put it on our prayer list tomorrow and do something constructive regarding it.
The world will sit back in their recliners and believe CNN, drink a beer while rooting for their favorite team, probably team Zelinsky.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I used to get all worked up about this stuff like you guys. I was talking about it with my pastor and he made the point that there is so much evil on the front stage to deal with you don’t need to drive yourself crazy trying to figure out all the evil going on backstage.
It's not even WW3 yet I'm reminded of what Jesus said to the disciples.

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
 
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I used to get all worked up about this stuff like you guys. I was talking about it with my pastor and he made the point that there is so much evil on the front stage to deal with you don’t need to drive yourself crazy trying to figure out all the evil going on backstage.
Your pastor is right, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes so there's no point in loosing sleep over things we have no knowledge or control over.
But we do have a responsibility to stand against evil, when we can identify the evildoers. It may be the case that the only way we can oppose them is by not voting for them, or by spreading the word and making others aware of what we found.
 

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But what about the constitution and the Separation of powers? Trump is running on the Consolidation of powers. As citizens of the United States, and especially those of us that are sons of the Revolution shouldn’t we rise against Trump to prevent him from changing The very fabric of our country?

He posted this on his Truth Social. It Lays out a plan to bypass the constitution in order to establish consolidation of powers.

https://www.project2025.org/
If you are a Christian you should be following Jesus. He is the captain.
 
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They weren't trying to capture territory, so you may be right. Looking from the outcome, it seems like they were attempting a provocation. There were other ways to kill more than that, but they chose a peculiar way to attack.

I thought Russia was preoccupied with Ukraine. Are they attacking any mid eastern nations too?
Russia has been at war with many Islamic countries, since they invaded Afghanistan and committed atrocities in the early 1980's or late 70's not exactly sure. But they also invaded Chechnya in the 1990's and committed atrocities there, and more recently they killed countless Muslims in Syria.
That's not to mention all the other invasions and atrocities committed against their neighboring countries from the former USSR.
They have certainly made a lot of enemies, so when one strikes back with an attack on Russia they don't know who to blame as there are so many enemies to chose from.
 

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If you are a Christian you should be following Jesus. He is the captain.
Unbelievable. I can’t believe I’m talking to the same group of people that talked about how much they loved the constitution and didn’t want it changed a few years ago.

Truly a sad day for my country.
 

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Russia has been at war with many Islamic countries, since they invaded Afghanistan and committed atrocities in the early 1980's or late 70's not exactly sure.
That has nothing to do with this attack in Moscow. All the perps have been arrested and are being interrogated. Not one of them is ISIS.

‘This Is Not ISIS’: Rossiya Segodnya Editor-in-Chief on Moscow Concert Hall Attack
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this...ditor-in-chief-on-moscow-concert-hall-attack/

"Ukraine and the West have resorted to false flag operations to persuade everyone that ISIS* was behind the terror attack in the Crocus City Hall concert venue near Moscow, said Margarita Simonyan, the editor-in-chief of Sputnik’s parent media group Rossiya Segodnya... “It immediately became obvious why US media were claiming in unison that it was ISIS,” she said... She added that the enthusiasm displayed by Western media when they tried to persuade everyone that ISIS was responsible even before arrests were made gave them away completely."

The only plausible reason for the West trying to mislead the world is that Ukraine and the West may have planned this some time back. Victoria Nuland the architect of the conflict also hinted at this. NATO is desperate to go to war with Russia, so why not provoke Putin? The truth will be coming out sooner than later.
 
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That has nothing to do with this attack in Moscow. All the perps have been arrested and are being interrogated. Not one of them is ISIS.

‘This Is Not ISIS’: Rossiya Segodnya Editor-in-Chief on Moscow Concert Hall Attack
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this...ditor-in-chief-on-moscow-concert-hall-attack/

"Ukraine and the West have resorted to false flag operations to persuade everyone that ISIS* was behind the terror attack in the Crocus City Hall concert venue near Moscow, said Margarita Simonyan, the editor-in-chief of Sputnik’s parent media group Rossiya Segodnya... “It immediately became obvious why US media were claiming in unison that it was ISIS,” she said... She added that the enthusiasm displayed by Western media when they tried to persuade everyone that ISIS was responsible even before arrests were made gave them away completely."

The only plausible reason for the West trying to mislead the world is that Ukraine and the West may have planned this some time back. Victoria Nuland the architect of the conflict also hinted at this. NATO is desperate to go to war with Russia, so why not provoke Putin? The truth will be coming out sooner than later.
All of that is the opinion of one person, who obviously doesn't agree with what most of the world has concluded. Why would ISIS claim responsibility if they didn't do it. What would they gain.

My other concern is the source of this conflicting information, is "infowars" Alex Jones was exposed as a controlled opposition agent. So he will make all kinds of claims about anything as long as the price is right.

Claiming that none of the accused are ISIS, cannot be verified. We know Russians use torture to fabricate false confessions, they are the masters of propaganda so I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them
 

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Unbelievable. I can’t believe I’m talking to the same group of people that talked about how much they loved the constitution and didn’t want it changed a few years ago.

Truly a sad day for my country.
That is hypocritical seeing as this is the same country that outlaws prayers, legalizes the killing of 60 million babies, and terrorizes the whole world with the CIA, NSA, and all their other alphabet groups. They force feed the filth of Hollywood down their throat, and they are profligate spenders.

Trying to guilt Christians into being submissive to evil men is pathetic, but already been done and recorded in Jeremiah, Daniel, Acts, and other books of the Bible.

What is unbelievable is that people would claim that Jesus is King, Lord of Lords and yet would follow the dictates of evil and adulterous men rather than their Lord and King.
 

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That is hypocritical seeing as this is the same country that outlaws prayers, legalizes the killing of 60 million babies, and terrorizes the whole world with the CIA, NSA, and all their other alphabet groups. They force feed the filth of Hollywood down their throat, and they are profligate spenders.

Trying to guilt Christians into being submissive to evil men is pathetic, but already been done and recorded in Jeremiah, Daniel, Acts, and other books of the Bible.

What is unbelievable is that people would claim that Jesus is King, Lord of Lords and yet would follow the dictates of evil and adulterous men rather than their Lord and King.
You have betrayed your country for the hatred of those you disagree with.

Unbelievable.
 

ZNP

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You have betrayed your country for the hatred of those you disagree with.

Unbelievable.
That is funny. I am standing for the word of God, all authority is from God. If you betray God you have violated any authority you have. Your whiny complaint is like a woman caught in adultery complaining that her husband's divorcing her violates their covenant. Sorry, when these crooks and evil people violated the US constitution I am no longer obligated to recognize them.

Joe Biden sells himself to the highest bidder with foreign countries, his family is a crime family, he steals an election, he is an illegitimate president. I am not betraying any oath to the US constitution by recognizing that he is illegitimate.

He throws open the border, brings in 10 million involved in a drug trade that is killing 100,000 Americans a year and is involved in human trafficking in the sex trade and other crimes against humanity and you say "I have betrayed my country". We will all have to stand before God to make account for the things we have done. Anyone who continues to submit to this illegitimate regime will have to answer for that as well.

He cuts off our oil production over this phony baloney "green new deal" knowing full well that this will replace the cleanest production of energy with the dirtiest and will give China and Russia and Iran a windfall while the US and the rest of the world sees double digit inflation. The pandemic was a bioweapon and the vaccine was also a bioweapon forced down the throats of billions of people. This is like a viper biting billions all under the oversight of Biden. I have never pledged to submit to a brood of vipers.

He hands over a fully functioning military to the Taliban and gets us into WW3 with Russia. You want to complain that I am the one betraying this country, no you are.
 

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That is funny. I am standing for the word of God, all authority is from God. If you betray God you have violated any authority you have. Your whiny complaint is like a woman caught in adultery complaining that her husband's divorcing her violates their covenant. Sorry, when these crooks and evil people violated the US constitution I am no longer obligated to recognize them.

Joe Biden sells himself to the highest bidder with foreign countries, his family is a crime family, he steals an election, he is an illegitimate president. I am not betraying any oath to the US constitution by recognizing that he is illegitimate.

He throws open the border, brings in 10 million involved in a drug trade that is killing 100,000 Americans a year and is involved in human trafficking in the sex trade and other crimes against humanity and you say "I have betrayed my country". We will all have to stand before God to make account for the things we have done. Anyone who continues to submit to this illegitimate regime will have to answer for that as well.
Why do you expect to change a evil world without the love of Christ? Do you really believe forcing people to act like Christian’s instead of proclaiming the gospel and allowing them to make up their own minds in there own time, is what we should do as Christian’s?