Back up hold up let’s get back to Basics

[Anchorite]

Amen, but for many Scripture seems to be an inkblot/parable by which they sift themselves into various camps of confusion.

Only certain scriptures are confusing to some people.

Scriptures are in general so simple a child can understand them, but so deep scholars can discuss them endlessly.

It is a good practice to ponder the clear scriptures and examine how consistently we apply them in our lives.

 

[Waden21]

Most of the teachings of Jesus are very clear, simple, and understandable.

1. Do not worry about anything.
Matthew 6:25-34

2. Be kind, not vindictive, to your enemies.
Matthew 5:43-45

3. Do unto others what you would want them to do unto you.
Matt 7:12

4. Love God more than anything else.
Matthew 22:37-38

5. Love your neighbor.
Mark 12:31

6. Forgive those who wrong you.
Matt 6:14-15

7. Do not let your wealth distract you from preparing yourself for heaven.
Mark 10:25

8. Leaders must be servants.
Mark 9:35

9. Peacemakers are blessed.
Matthew 5:9

10. Let your the crowds exclusively in parables.

Most of the teachings of Jesus are very clear, simple, and understandable.

1. Do not worry about anything.
Matthew 6:25-34

2. Be kind, not vindictive, to your enemies.
Matthew 5:43-45

3. Do unto others what you would want them to do unto you.
Matt 7:12

4. Love God more than anything else.
Matthew 22:37-38

5. Love your neighbor.
Mark 12:31

6. Forgive those who wrong you.
Matt 6:14-15

7. Do not let your wealth distract you from preparing yourself for heaven.
Mark 10:25

8. Leaders must be servants.
Mark 9:35

9. Peacemakers are blessed.
Matthew 5:9

10. Let your light shine before others.
Matthew 5:16

Most of the teachings of Jesus are very clear, simple, and understandable.

1. Do not worry about anything.
Matthew 6:25-34

2. Be kind, not vindictive, to your enemies.
Matthew 5:43-45

3. Do unto others what you would want them to do unto you.
Matt 7:12

4. Love God more than anything else.
Matthew 22:37-38

5. Love your neighbor.
Mark 12:31

6. Forgive those who wrong you.
Matt 6:14-15

7. Do not let your wealth distract you from preparing yourself for heaven.
Mark 10:25

8. Leaders must be servants.
Mark 9:35

9. Peacemakers are blessed.
Matthew 5:9

10. Let your light shine before others.
Matthew 5:16

The Old Testament positions parables not as simple, decorative sermon illustrations, but as serious spiritual tests. [1, 2]

1. To Reveal Deep, Hidden Truths (Psalm 78:2)
The Old Testament demonstrates that God utilizes parables as a divine tool to unlock complex historical and spiritual lessons that are not immediately obvious on the surface. [1]

"I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter hidden things, things from of old." — Psalm 78:2

The author of this Psalm, Asaph, explains that the true spiritual meaning of Israel’s history must be extracted via parabolic teaching so it can be preserved and understood by future generations. Centures later, Jesus quoted this exact verse to justify why he spoke to the public exclusively in parables. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

2. To Blind and Deafen the Hardened Heart (Isaiah 6:9–10)
When Jesus explained why he used parables, he did not introduce a new New Testament concept; he quoted a foundational rule of prophecy explicitly detailed by God in the Old Testament: [1]

"He said, 'Go and tell this people: "Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving." Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes...'" — Isaiah 6:9–10

Through Isaiah, God declares that when a society repeatedly rebels against clear, direct commands, God shifts His communication to heavily symbolic, parabolic language. For those who love the truth, the symbols provoke searching; for those who reject God, the symbols allow them to walk away completely blind to the message. [1, 2]

3. As an Indicator of Spiritual Rebellion (Ezekiel 20:49)
The Old Testament directly records the tragedy of what happens when people refuse to seek the meaning behind a prophet's parable. God told Ezekiel to preach a fiery parable about a forest fire. Instead of repenting, the people dismissed the warning as telling parables?"'" — Ezekiel 20:49

Most of the teachings of Jesus are very clear, simple, and understandable.

1. Do not worry about anything.
Matthew 6:25-34

2. Be kind, not vindictive, to your enemies.
Matthew 5:43-45

3. Do unto others what you would want them to do unto you.
Matt 7:12

4. Love God more than anything else.
Matthew 22:37-38

5. Love your neighbor.
Mark 12:31

6. Forgive those who wrong you.
Matt 6:14-15

7. Do not let your wealth distract you from preparing yourself for heaven.
Mark 10:25

8. Leaders must be servants.
Mark 9:35

9. Peacemakers are blessed.
Matthew 5:9

10. Let your light shine before others.
Matthew 5:16

The Old Testament positions parables not as simple, decorative sermon illustrations, but as serious spiritual tests.

1. To Reveal Deep, Hidden Truths (Psalm 78:2)
The Old Testament demonstrates that God utilizes parables as a divine tool to unlock complex historical and spiritual lessons that are not immediately obvious on the surface.

"I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter hidden things, things from of old." — Psalm 78:2

The author of this Psalm, Asaph, explains that the true spiritual meaning of Israel’s history must be extracted via parabolic teaching so it can be preserved and understood by future generations. Centures later, Jesus quoted this exact verse to justify why he spoke to the public exclusively in parables.

2. To Blind and Deafen the Hardened Heart (Isaiah 6:9–10)
When Jesus explained why he used parables, he did not introduce a new New Testament concept; he quoted a foundational rule of prophecy explicitly detailed by God in the Old Testament:

"He said, 'Go and tell this people: "Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving." Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes...'" — Isaiah 6:9–10

Through Isaiah, God declares that when a society repeatedly rebels against clear, direct commands, God shifts His communication to heavily symbolic, parabolic language. For those who love the truth, the symbols provoke searching; for those who reject God, the symbols allow them to walk away completely blind to the message.

3. As an Indicator of Spiritual Rebellion (Ezekiel 20:49)
The Old Testament directly records the tragedy of what happens when people refuse to seek the meaning behind a prophet's parable. God told Ezekiel to preach a fiery parable about a forest fire. Instead of repenting, the people dismissed the warning as merely a story:

"Then I said, 'Ah, Lord God! They are saying of me, "Is he not just telling parables?"'" — Ezekiel 20:49

 

[Waden21]

I don’t know what I did to mess that up so bad sorry the info is still there

 

[Waden21]

I did not know that, but it makes sense.
I will add that insight to the TOJ thread.
Thanks!

I did not know that, but it makes sense.
I will add that insight to the TOJ thread.
Thanks!

The Aramaic word that is used in the Aramaic Bible for generation is sharbatha.

Sharbatha (also spelled sharbta or sharbtha, ܫربܬܐ) literally means a race, tribe, family, nation — and on rare occasions, it can be used for generation.

In other words, the most common usage of the Aramaic word sharbatha is a race of people, which is the least common usage for the Greek word.

If we plug in the Aramaic rendering, we find that Jesus taught that this particular race of people, the Jews, would not pass away, cease to exist, or be exterminated before His return.

For over two thousand years, people have tried to commit genocide against the Jewish people, and had Hitler won WW2, he might have succeeded.

Yet, the promise of Jesus stood firm that this Jewish race that gave birth to Him would not pass away until His return. All the attempts at genocide for over two thousand years have not been successful, and will continue to

Aramaic was Yeshuas language The original Scriptures were written in Hebrew. Which is a very similar language and Yeshua spoke both . Eventually made into a Bible by Koine Greek. To get to your conclusion, you have to reverse translate Greek version Hebrew version and then assume that the profit that wrote the scripture made a mistake in his translation. If he even had to translate.


The Original Koine Greek Text
In the earliest available manuscripts of the New Testament, Matthew 24:34 reads:

ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι οὐ μὴ παρέλθῃ ἡ γενεὰ αὕτη ἕως ἂν πάντα ταῦτα γένηται. [1]

• Transliteration: Amēn legō hymin hoti ou mē parelthē hē genea hautē heōs an panta tauta genētai.
• Literal Meaning: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."
• The Translation Twist: The Greek words οὐ μὴ (ou mē) represent a double negative. In Koine Greek, this is an incredibly intense, emphatic rule of grammar used to state that something is absolutely impossible. A completely literal, raw translation is: "This generation will in no way whatsoever pass away..."

The Hebrew Translations
Because Matthew wrote primarily to a Jewish audience, scholars frequently translate this verse back into Hebrew to see how it flows in Jesus' native tongue.
1. Franz Delitzsch’s Hebrew New Testament (19th Century Standard):

אָמֵן אֹמֵר אֲנִי לָכֶם כִּי לֹא תַעֲבֹר הַדּוֹר הַזֶּה עַד אֲשֶׁר יִהְיוּ כָל־אֵלֶּה׃

• Transliteration: Amên omêr aní lachém kí lo ta’avór hadór hazéh ad ashér yihyú chol-êlleh.
• Key Hebrew Word: The word used for generation is הַדּוֹר (ha-dor). In ancient Hebrew, dor can mean a contemporary generation of living people, but it can also mean a specific "era," a "class of people," or a "lineage."

2. Shem Tob’s Hebrew Matthew (A 14th-century text preserved by Jewish scholars):

אמן אני אומר לכם שלא יעבור זה הדור עד שכל אלה הדברים יהיו.

• Transliteration: Amên aní omêr lachém sheló ya’avór zéh hadór ad shechól êlleh hadvารím yihyú.
• Translation: "Amen, I say to you that this generation will not pass until all these words/things will be.

 

[Anchorite]

Got Questions:

Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” The things that Jesus had been speaking of—the rise of the Antichrist, the desolation of the Holy Place, and the darkening of the sun—did not happen during the lifespan of people alive in Jesus’ day.

Obviously, Jesus meant something different when He spoke of “this generation.”

Jesus is clearly giving a prophecy; He is speaking of future events. Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43).

Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24–25 be seen as dealing with a future time. The generation that Jesus speaks of “not passing” until He returns is a future generation, namely, the people living when the predicted events occur. The word generation refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24–25 take place.

Therefore, it is better to understand “this generation” as referring to the generation alive when the end times events are actually occurring.

Essentially, Jesus is saying that, once the events of the end times begin, they will happen quickly. The age of grace has continued for a very long time. But when the time for judgment finally arrives, things will be wrapped up posthaste. This concept of God’s drawing things to a rapid close is echoed in many other passages of Scripture (Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20).

 

[Waden21]

Statement 2: "Not Tasting Death" (Matthew 16:28)
The Aramaic Peshitta Text:

אמין אמר אנא לכון דאית אנשא דקיימין תנן דלא נטעמון מותא עד דנחזון לברה דאנשא דאתא במלכותܗ

• Transliteration: Amên amár aná lachón d’íth enashá d’qaymín tnan d’lá nith’amún máwthá ad d’nehzún l’vréh d’enashá d’athá b’malkuthéh.
• Literal Translation: "Amen, I say to you, there are people standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

The Linguistic Shift: Tima Mauta (To Taste Death) [1]
Western readers interpret "taste death" as a biological expiration date—meaning physical bodies dying. However, in first-century Aramaic, טעמון מותא (tima mauta) is a highly specific idiom.

• To "taste death" did not mean physical cessation of breath. It meant to experience ultimate spiritual separation from God, permanent spiritual exile, or the decay of one's spiritual legacy.
• Yeshua was telling his listeners that some of them would achieve spiritual awakening (seeing the inner kingdom) right then and there, completely bypassing spiritual death altogether.

The Ultimate Parabolic Meaning
When looked at together through an ancient Eastern lens, Yeshua’s specific statements mean that the inner kingdom is immediately accessible to the awakened soul.
He was letting his disciples know that they did not have to wait for the physical end of the world to experience the Messiah. The unawakened mind (sharbtha) will always suffer tribulation, but the true seeker standing before him would experience the unveiling of the divine presence within themselves without ever "tasting" spiritual darkness.

 

[Waden21]

Like Pilate said, "What is truth?"

Really good!

 

[Anchorite]

Like Pilate said, "What is truth?"

Pilate asked this question while standing next to Jesus, who said He was the way, the truth, and the life!

 

[Waden21]

Yeshua answered: "For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.

 

[GWH]

Got Questions:

Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” The things that Jesus had been speaking of—the rise of the Antichrist, the desolation of the Holy Place, and the darkening of the sun—did not happen during the lifespan of people alive in Jesus’ day.

Obviously, Jesus meant something different when He spoke of “this generation.”

Jesus is clearly giving a prophecy; He is speaking of future events. Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43).

Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24–25 be seen as dealing with a future time. The generation that Jesus speaks of “not passing” until He returns is a future generation, namely, the people living when the predicted events occur. The word generation refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24–25 take place.

Therefore, it is better to understand “this generation” as referring to the generation alive when the end times events are actually occurring.

Essentially, Jesus is saying that, once the events of the end times begin, they will happen quickly. The age of grace has continued for a very long time. But when the time for judgment finally arrives, things will be wrapped up posthaste. This concept of God’s drawing things to a rapid close is echoed in many other passages of Scripture (Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20).

Yes, that is why I opined that "race" makes good sense.

 

[Inquisitor]

such as tulipists and mfwers.

I hope that is not saying what I think it says?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Back up hold up let’s get back to Basics

Amen.

 

[GWH]

Amen.

Ditto amen, and here are the basics:

The normative way of stating the basic kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6) or “Love Jesus as Messiah and Lord” (John 8:42). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in these statements can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey (Phil. 3:12, 1John 1:8) His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).
6. This creed summarizes revelation of the NT Gospel/Truth (Matt. 26:13, John 14:6), which fulfilled the OT revelation (Matt. 5:17, John 19:30, Heb. 7:11-10:10) and culminates the search for salvation by souls who know only general revelation (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, Matt. 7:12). Seeking begins when souls love truth/repent of false beliefs (2Thes. 2:10&13, Matt. 4:17, 7:7), which is the Way to eternal life God wills, who is the Lord Jesus (Matt. 7:14, John 1:14, 4:24, 14:6). Lacking this love leads to believing lies and debauchery (Matt. 7:6, Rom. 1:18&25-26, 2Thes. 2:11-12).