How Is Baptism and Born Again related?
We were born here on earth physically and then we are born again spiritually which Is by GODs Grace.
Baptism, Born again, how are they connected?
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We were born here on earth physically and then we are born again spiritually which Is by GODs Grace.
Remember Christ said must be born of water and the spirit!
John 3:5 Iesus answered, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdome of God.
So when was the first time we were born of water? It wasn’t at birth it was before birth.
Mothers should know this answer. Waiting for replies : )
John 3:5 Iesus answered, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdome of God.
So when was the first time we were born of water? It wasn’t at birth it was before birth.
Mothers should know this answer. Waiting for replies : )
Before we came out of our mothers we came out of the WATER in the womb first!
We say “someone’s water broke” which means someone was just born of water and now the mother can give birth.
Afterwards We experience our senses for the first time because we’re brand new beings.
So baptism is going back into the WATER that we were in in the womb to come out of it again to be made new again “born again”.
Matthew 3:16 And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therfore if any man be in Christ, hee is a new creature: old things are past away, behold, al things are become new.
Mark 16:16 He that beleeueth and is baptized, shalbe saued, but he that beleeueth not, shall be damned.
Water Baptism is being born again and is a requirement for the kingdom!
We say “someone’s water broke” which means someone was just born of water and now the mother can give birth.
Afterwards We experience our senses for the first time because we’re brand new beings.
So baptism is going back into the WATER that we were in in the womb to come out of it again to be made new again “born again”.
Matthew 3:16 And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therfore if any man be in Christ, hee is a new creature: old things are past away, behold, al things are become new.
Mark 16:16 He that beleeueth and is baptized, shalbe saued, but he that beleeueth not, shall be damned.
Water Baptism is being born again and is a requirement for the kingdom!
Born again.... is the end results of; Repentance, baptism and begin living a righteous life according to the many commandments G-d has given us.
By G-d's grace we are given this opportunity to receive eternal salvation.
He that believes has already been baptized as his source of belief (faith) working in us. . Water (h20) is not in view in Mark 16 . No sign gifts or what some call confirmation, self edifying gifts.. We walk by faith the unseen eternal. and edify God not seen.
Water like blood and used together as one represent the unseen work of God pouring out his Holy Spirit (Christ) as if it was blood or water. God is not a man as. . He is eternal Spirit like no other
Water is not a source of birth .God must give the breath of life as the beginning. Children as living creatures is of the lord.
Flesh gives birth to flesh. But the Spirit of God give birth and rebirth if any, to our new spirit.
Garee,
The Holy Spirit explained this with such simplicity that a child can understand it and see the connection.
Many people I explain this to all respond the same with gladness because they see that connection. Especially mothers!
Christ said:
John 3:7 Marueile not that I saide vnto thee, Ye must be borne againe.
John 3:3 Iesus answered, and said vnto him, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne againe, he cannot see the kingdome of God.
John 3:5 Iesus answered, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdome of God.
Was Christ baptized in water by John?
Matthew 3:16 And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him.
We’re the disciples baptized in water?
John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Iesus made and baptized moe disciples then John
Did the disciples baptize many in water?
Acts 2:41 ¶ Then they that gladly receiued his word, were baptized: and the same day there were added vnto them about three thousand soules.
Garee, Are you denying being born again by water baptism in that Christ said must be done?
Also where in scripture does Christ call Himself the Holy Spirit as you put in parentheses?
Scriptures will confirm the truth and also destroy lies!
I love learning and teaching the truth of scripture. People can’t make it mean what they want it to mean.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any priuate Interpretation:
Blessings!
Jesus said, "born of water and the Spirit" He did not say born of baptism and the Spirit. To automatically read baptism into this verse simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Notice in John 7:38-39, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of LIVING WATER. But this He spoke concerning the SPIRIT. *Did you see that? The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing. If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. *Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. *Living water is not water baptism. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit. Water baptism is the picture or symbol of the new birth, but not the means of securing it.
False.
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
That does not represent scripture;
Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."
Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".
Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Matt.3;11...
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.
Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation
Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably.
Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."
Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".
Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Matt.3;11...
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.
Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ
Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation
Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably.
Scripture is not false.
Scripture is not false but your interpretation of scripture is false. I see that you ignored post #129 from the link below.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ver-earn-salvation.186271/page-7#post-3982985
Show one scripture where “Christ” said being born again baptized by water is not a must to see the kingdom heaven?
Let’s read scripture again:
John 3:3 Iesus answered, and said vnto him, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne againe, he cannot see the kingdome of God.
John 3:5 Iesus answered, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdome of God.
Both believing and baptism shall be saved:
Mark 16:16 He that beleeueth and is baptized, shalbe saued, but he that beleeueth not, shall be damned.
Christ said it is done by Water and the spirit.
By water how?
By Baptism as He showed!
Straightway out of the water!
Matthew 3:16 And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him.
After baptism we recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit! Also called the Comforter
by Christ!
Let’s read scripture again:
John 3:3 Iesus answered, and said vnto him, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne againe, he cannot see the kingdome of God.
John 3:5 Iesus answered, Uerily, verily I say vnto thee, except a man be borne of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdome of God.
Both believing and baptism shall be saved:
Mark 16:16 He that beleeueth and is baptized, shalbe saued, but he that beleeueth not, shall be damned.
Christ said it is done by Water and the spirit.
By water how?
By Baptism as He showed!
Straightway out of the water!
Matthew 3:16 And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him.
After baptism we recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit! Also called the Comforter
by Christ!
"The kingdom of the heavens" is on the earth (rather than "UP IN Heaven"), for one...
[it pertains to the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom]
Well, the word "born" in that verse (Jn3:5) is used like this:
"[G1080] Usage: I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to."
He was just pfishing (phishing). He just did not want to come out and say (right at the start) that water baptism causes the New Birth. But later on it became obvious.
ANOTHER FALSE TEACHING which some others have also been trying to promote. But the Catholic Church already had this false doctrine worked out long ago, in their dogma of baptismal regeneration. Nothing new here, and false teachings keep getting recycled over and over again.
When Jesus said that we must be born of water, that was a metaphor for the Word of God (the Gospel) which is the incorruptible seed of the New Birth (1 Peter 1:23-25).
Christ spoke in parables many times and that conversation with Nicodemus was not one of them.
Then why did not Christ tell Nicodemus plainly that He was metaphorically speaking?
Because He showed it had to be a physical act that people would have to do once the age of accountability is reached.
Blessings
Then why did not Christ tell Nicodemus plainly that He was metaphorically speaking?
Because He showed it had to be a physical act that people would have to do once the age of accountability is reached.
Blessings
Also see John 15:3 and Ephesians 5:26.
