Baptism should accompany confessions of faith

[Lamar]

So your salvation is not based on faith but on the fact that a second person baptized you.

Since John the Baptist did the baptizing was the baptisms of Mark 1:4 & Matthew 3:15 based on John the Baptist?

 

[SomeDisciple]

baptism is a "public" announcement that someone has gotten saved, a sort of confession.

The baptism isn't the announcement. You can do the announcement with the baptism; but it doesn't have to be that way. When Paul was baptized, there's no indication there was a cloud of witnesses- Ananias said "WHY TARRIEST THOU? ARISE AND BE BAPTIZED"

I used think it should be a public event too; but then I realized why some "pastors" et. al. might want to insist that it needs to be public.

 

[Lamar]

If water baptism is essential, why would God have made Paul not have it be an integral part of his message?

???

Since Paul's message was based on the Word of God, it was most certainly part of his message.

Your question is simply a deflection. Paul's message was the same as the rest of the apostles.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

???

Since Paul's message was based on the Word of God, it was most certainly part of his message.

Your question is simply a deflection. Paul's message was the same as the rest of the apostles.

Show me in Paul's writings where it was part of his message. I'm not saying it's not there, but if it is there it isn't much.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul said there is one baptism, but we all know there is a baptism of water and a baptism of holy spirit. Which one is he referring to, or do they both accomplish the same thing, ie immersion into Christ's death?

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-6​

 

[hornetguy]

Was not meant to be part of a argument but simply a direct answer to Post# 4.

Got it.... I didn't mean "argument" as if you were arguing.... just that it was not a good argument to excuse not baptizing...
No offense intended....

 

[Magenta]

Your personal belief that you were given the remission of sins in your bedroom
does not have authority in this discussion and this is what you are implying.

Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.

 

[hornetguy]

Some of the confusion may stem from Paul, who we have received most gospel revelation from. Apparently baptism was not a part of his ministry

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1 Corinthians 1:14-17​

Good grief, this is such a misunderstanding/misapplication of this scripture.... go back and read all of it, so you can have the context of what Paul was talking about..
He was NOT saying that baptism was not needed.... in fact, baptism is the FIRST thing he did, upon regaining his sight, after not eating or drinking for three days.... it was that important to him.....

What Paul is trying to say in this passage was "don't treat me like some kind of person to hold in reverence".... people there were arguing about who was a "better Christian"..... based on who they followed, and who baptized them... Paul was telling them that was silly, and wrong. THAT is why he was glad he didn't baptize any more of them than he did, so they would not set up some kind of exclusive club of "followers of Paul"...

 

[Magenta]

Paul said there is one baptism, but we all know there is a baptism of water and a baptism of holy spirit.
Which one is he referring to, or do they both accomplish the same thing, ie immersion into Christ's death?

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith,​

one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-6​

Ephesians 4:5-6

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Good grief, this is such a misunderstanding/misapplication of this scripture.... go back and read all of it, so you can have the context of what Paul was talking about..
He was NOT saying that baptism was not needed.... in fact, baptism is the FIRST thing he did, upon regaining his sight, after not eating or drinking for three days.... it was that important to him.....

What Paul is trying to say in this passage was "don't treat me like some kind of person to hold in reverence".... people there were arguing about who was a "better Christian"..... based on who they followed, and who baptized them... Paul was telling them that was silly, and wrong. THAT is why he was glad he didn't baptize any more of them than he did, so they would not set up some kind of exclusive club of "followers of Paul"...

Yeah I get that, but I think it's pretty evident from him saying that he was not sent to baptize in water that it wasn't the focus of his ministry, otherwise I think we would have heard more about it, like if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth and be baptized in water you shall be saved.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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Since Paul's message was based on the Word of God, it was most certainly part of his message.

Your question is simply a deflection. Paul's message was the same as the rest of the apostles.[/QUOTE

Paul said there is one baptism, but we all know there is a baptism of water and a baptism of holy spirit. Which one is he referring to, or do they both accomplish the same thing, ie immersion into Christ's death?

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-6​

one baptism look what happens

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭

Jesus gets baptized in water and then he receives the Holy Ghost

a then look at what he began preaching just after that

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now look what they did when baptizing and what was promised after Jesus ascended

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭

we get baptized in water for remission of sins in Jesus name

We receive from God the holy spirit it can even happen in the other order spirit and then water for remission it’s not two things it’s one baptism and the resulting gift of the spirit

the reason we get baptized in Jesus name is for the remission of sins in his death Jesus who died for our sins when we believe that we’re meant to get baptized for remission of sins in Jesus name

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭

We’re being baptized into his death for our sins it’s why we’re buried beneath the water then raised up in his name to a new existsnce having our sins remitted

“buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s based on our faith we only get baptized in Jesus name when we believe the gospel

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one baptism is the same thing Jesus did baptized in water and receiving the spirit from heaven it’s not two things it’s one and the result

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yeah I get that, but I think it's pretty evident from him saying that he was not sent to baptize in water that it wasn't the focus of his ministry, otherwise I think we would have heard more about it, like if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth and be baptized in water you shall be saved.

Paul taught a lot about baptism he explains the entire process n his epistles Roman’s 6 , Colossians 2 it fits perfectly with bekieving he died for our sins

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul taught a lot about baptism he explains the entire process n his epistles Roman’s 6 , Colossians 2 it fits perfectly with bekieving he died for our sins

Yes, but is he referring specifically to water baptism, or to baptism into Christ's death?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

baptism is the FIRST thing he did, upon regaining his sight

But it wasn't the first thing that the house of Cornelius did. They were baptized into the spirit first, then baptized with water. Which baptism immersed them into Christ's death?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, but is he referring specifically to water baptism, or to baptism into Christ's death?

Were they preaching the gospel and baptizing in water after Jesus died and rose ?

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My point is they weren’t practicing the wrong baptism and there’s only one baptism one spirit in one lord one name ect Peter wasn’t either here when he commanded gentile believers to get baptized in water even after they received the Holy Ghost

“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s just baptism Jesus partook of the right baptism after he died and rose he was able to baptize us from heaven with his spirit that’s not what we’re commanded to do it’s what he alone does from heaven we’re commanded to baptize in his name that does include water yes and Roman’s six will explain what it means for us who get baptized in Jesus name

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I encourage everyone to be baptized. There's really no reason not to and it will spare someone from having doubts about it in the future. But I'm starting to wonder if God wasn't sending a message with the house of Cornelius in Acts 10 that the Jewish ritual of water immersion was just that, a ritual. Rituals don't, can't save us. Only immersion into Christ's death can and does, and realistically, only God does that.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I think it's totally foolish not to get baptized. Not for theological reasons, but for conscience's sake. Why give the accuser an open door to create doubt about salvation? Get baptized and put the issue to rest forever. Then the accuser can never create doubt in your mind about the matter

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Once again, what happened in your bedroom on Wednesday night has no bearing on this issue. Regardless of what you think happened cannot change scripture, this is what you seem to not understand.

Eph. 2:8-9 does not negate the purpose of water baptism in scripture. Try again.

Nah - have it your way.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I encourage everyone to be baptized. There's really no reason not to and it will spare someone from having doubts about it in the future. But I'm starting to wonder if God wasn't sending a message with the house of Cornelius in Acts 10 that the Jewish ritual of water immersion was just that, a ritual. Rituals don't, can't save us. Only immersion into Christ's death can and does, and realistically, only God does that.

It has meaning consider this and it’s conformity think of the core foundations of our faith

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

and that he was buried,

and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now consider baptism , a man of God buries you beneath the water in Jesus name because you believe he died for your sins . Then you are raised up again from the water in Jesus name who rose again because you believe he rose again after he died for our sins which is the price for sin , death .

now listen to pauls doctine regarding those who were baptized into Jesus by his name

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? ( he died for our sins )

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( when we’re buried beneath the surface of the water in his name )

that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, ( buried beneath the surface in his name ) we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,( death ) but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”( resurrection or “new birth “ fresh start without your sin that was remitted in jesus name )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-6, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s an action of faith we do it only because we heard and believe the gospel and that’s part of the doctrine . If god tells us to do something and we do it because we believe what he told us will happen , it’s not ritual it’s an act of faith because and only because we believe jesus died for our sins was buried and rose again .

Paul writes more about baptism and those who were baptized on his name but the above there shows how what we believe jesus does and rose for us . And what we then do based on that belief get baptized into his name for remission of sins

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( what we do )


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( what God gives us )
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Magenta]

I think it's totally foolish not to get baptized. Not for theological reasons, but for conscience's sake. Why give the accuser an open door to create doubt about salvation? Get baptized and put the issue to rest forever. Then the accuser can never create doubt in your mind about the matter

Water baptism is explicitly called a pledge of a clear conscience toward God .