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May I suggest this isn't an all inclusive list. We have to remember this is written to Christians who have already been converted.
When Paul says "you believed", it's all inclusive. He doesn't mention repentance either but we know one must repent. He doesn't include confession but we know one must confess. He doesn't need to include baptism because they know what they did to be added.
For example, of the multitude on Pentecost, notice who were the ones who believed so as to be added.
Acts 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
When Paul says "you believed", it's all inclusive. He doesn't mention repentance either but we know one must repent. He doesn't include confession but we know one must confess. He doesn't need to include baptism because they know what they did to be added.
For example, of the multitude on Pentecost, notice who were the ones who believed so as to be added.
Acts 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
I'm not a Greek scholar but I'm curious so I will look into it. I went to Bible Hub but I didn't notice any difference.
We can look at other verses to see how baptism and the spirit are related. There are many. At my current understanding, they support the English version of 2:38. Here is one.
When Paul finds out these believers hadn't received the Holy Spirit, he goes straight to the problem. He doesn't question their belief or what they were taught about Jesus. He only questions their baptism.
2 And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”
We can look at other verses to see how baptism and the spirit are related. There are many. At my current understanding, they support the English version of 2:38. Here is one.
When Paul finds out these believers hadn't received the Holy Spirit, he goes straight to the problem. He doesn't question their belief or what they were taught about Jesus. He only questions their baptism.
2 And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”
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Think about Ephesians 1:13:
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”
Ephesians 1:13 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV
We were sealed in him by the Holy Spirit when we believed. It’s not something we do. We are immersed/baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.
Whoever believes and is baptized/immersed will be saved. When we believe we are immersed into Christ. Mark 16:16, 1 John 5:1, and Ephesians 1:13 all are in complete agreement.
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”
Ephesians 1:13 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV
We were sealed in him by the Holy Spirit when we believed. It’s not something we do. We are immersed/baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.
Whoever believes and is baptized/immersed will be saved. When we believe we are immersed into Christ. Mark 16:16, 1 John 5:1, and Ephesians 1:13 all are in complete agreement.
Acts 2:38 says exactly the same thing as well. Consider this version:
“Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!”
Acts of Emissaries of Yeshua (Act) 2:38 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/act.2.38.CJB
The Greek word for repent is metanoesate. It means to have a change of mind or to think differently. In order to believe a persons mind is changed. So, belief represents the change in thinking.
What does it mean to be immersed into forgiveness of sins? Consider this verse.
“In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,”
Ephesians 1:7 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.7.ESV
Immersion into forgiveness of sins is immersion into Christ.
So, Acts 2:38 says this:
Change your mind, or believe if you will, and be immersed on the authority of Jesus Christ into forgiveness of sins, or into Christ.
The gift of the Holy Spirit is our immersion into Christ and the forgiveness that brings.
Total agreement with 1 John 5:1, Mark 16:16, Ephesians 1:13
So, if we understand that metanoesate means to have a change of mind, that Baptistheto means to immerse, and that the primary meaning of eis is into, we can see Acts 2:38 very differently.
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John 17:
20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.
24Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me. 26And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”
20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.
24Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me. 26And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”
Here's my problem with this line of thinking. In John 3 where Jesus is looking forward to His church He says, unless one is born of water and Spirit. Then when He sends out the apostles, He tells them to make disciples baptizing them in the name of Father, Son and HS. That baptism is clearly water. In the same conversation He says, whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. There is zero evidence to suggest this is a different type of baptism and plenty to know it's water. Therefore it stands to reason that water baptizing them in the name of Jesus, absolutely by His authority, is how they are baptized into Christ.
We see exactly that on Pentecost. Acts 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. We know this is water baptism because that is exactly what Jesus instructed the apostles to do days earlier.
I find it interesting that when people want to prove one becomes a Christian without water baptism, they never go to Jesus's instructions to the apostles on how to convert the sinner. Shouldn't that be the starting point. Nor do they want to look at the multiple conversions where the apostles did exactly as Jesus instructed.
Like here. Where there is zero question this is water.
Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized. Just as Jesus said, believes and is baptized will be saved.
We see exactly that on Pentecost. Acts 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. We know this is water baptism because that is exactly what Jesus instructed the apostles to do days earlier.
I find it interesting that when people want to prove one becomes a Christian without water baptism, they never go to Jesus's instructions to the apostles on how to convert the sinner. Shouldn't that be the starting point. Nor do they want to look at the multiple conversions where the apostles did exactly as Jesus instructed.
Like here. Where there is zero question this is water.
Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized. Just as Jesus said, believes and is baptized will be saved.
Here's my problem with this. In the first version you changed in the name of to on the authority of. I don't disagree that in the name of means by the authority of, but by changing the words it makes it easier to change the meaning. Being baptized in the name of Jesus is without question water baptism.
Here is the problem: baptism of the Holy Spirit is being equated with salvation.
So those who believe in baptism for salvation can easily bring up verses that show baptism.. and it gets mixed up between the two sides discussing this.
1 co 12:13 is not Holy Spirit baptism... that is water baptism by immersion..after salvation.
Why?
Because the subject is the church of already saved believers at Corinth!
They were baptised by immersion in reference to the local body at Corinth.
Paul would have been baptised in reference to the local body at Antioch.
So they were all baptised in reference to a body. For the believers at Corinth..to that local body.
For Paul, to the Antioch body.
Holy Spirit baptism happened as a one time event at Pentecost.
The Holy Spirit doesn't baptise people now. He saves and regenerates them ..washing them by His blood thru Jesus. But he does not baptise them.
Gotta get this distinction.. other wise both baptism by immersion and baptism by the Holy Spirit discussion is confused and unscriptural imo.
A body of believers ... already saved does not get baptised by immersion or the Holy Spirit to be properly saved.
End.
So those who believe in baptism for salvation can easily bring up verses that show baptism.. and it gets mixed up between the two sides discussing this.
1 co 12:13 is not Holy Spirit baptism... that is water baptism by immersion..after salvation.
Why?
Because the subject is the church of already saved believers at Corinth!
They were baptised by immersion in reference to the local body at Corinth.
Paul would have been baptised in reference to the local body at Antioch.
So they were all baptised in reference to a body. For the believers at Corinth..to that local body.
For Paul, to the Antioch body.
Holy Spirit baptism happened as a one time event at Pentecost.
The Holy Spirit doesn't baptise people now. He saves and regenerates them ..washing them by His blood thru Jesus. But he does not baptise them.
Gotta get this distinction.. other wise both baptism by immersion and baptism by the Holy Spirit discussion is confused and unscriptural imo.
A body of believers ... already saved does not get baptised by immersion or the Holy Spirit to be properly saved.
End.
That is correct, 1 Cor. 12:13 is NOT Holy Spirit baptism.
I suggest that baptism with the Holy Spirit happened twice. Pentecost and Cornelius.
I suggest water baptism and salvation happen together. We are baptized into Christ where our sins are forgiven.
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
I suggest that baptism with the Holy Spirit happened twice. Pentecost and Cornelius.
I suggest water baptism and salvation happen together. We are baptized into Christ where our sins are forgiven.
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
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So you went to bible hub and did not notice a difference?
I went to bible hub. I did not see any greek references as to how the words were used.
repent - verb aorist, active, imperative, second person, plural
be baptized - verb, aorist, passive, imperative, third person, singular
shall recieve the gift - verb, future, middle, indicative, second person, plural
can you be honest and tell me why there is a difference here, and what it means?
I went to bible hub. I did not see any greek references as to how the words were used.
repent - verb aorist, active, imperative, second person, plural
be baptized - verb, aorist, passive, imperative, third person, singular
shall recieve the gift - verb, future, middle, indicative, second person, plural
can you be honest and tell me why there is a difference here, and what it means?