BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH
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are you a Jehova witness, they are the cult and believe in the 144.000 and no more. ARe you Jehovah witness.?
your wrong Israel will not lose, God intervenes in that. ARe you Jehovah Witness writing and trying to teach wrong information here?
what are you writing here, Jesus is not going to take any body to his throne for the deeds and judgments done in the flesh.
If someone was to be at the Throne then they would not need to be judged, God isn't going to throw people out of heaven once they are with him.
Hi,
The Pentecost Kingdom, is what I call the church sometimes.
I call it that because it started on the Day of Pentecost, and it's a kingdom.
It has nothing to do with any man made group.
Some times the word "church" has different meanings to different people, like a building or local congregation.
That's why I sometimes call the church the Pentecost Kingdom.
No.
(If I was, I wouldn't be here very long, ha ha, there are many great Bible believers here who know the scriptures!)
It didn't start at penticost. Jesus was preaching before that and the followers were the early Christian Churches, they were the Original marterys, any way good you have a hunger for the Lord, but your things are off the word, letting go of your ideas. God Bless. ARe you Jehovah Witness. There teachings are not biblically right.
I'm not sure what the JW's teach on that.
I would guess that they say that Israel will win.
But I think that they will lose and be destroyed.
I think that people here would disagree with you, on me being a JW, ha ha.
Hang around this Bible forum for awhile, there are a lot of great and learned people here.
I've learned a lot.
Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. God chooses these 144,000 individuals, the process began with the first century Christians and was completed in the year 1935. Of course from 1879 (the year the Watchtower started) till 1935 only faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses were chosen for this special role. All faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses not chosen to be among the 144,000 elite that go to heaven (those joining the Watchtower after 1935) will spend eternity on earth. All other people on the earth will be destroyed at war of Armageddon here on earth. This would also include any Jehovah's Witnesses who has been disfellowshipped or is otherwise unfaithful to the Watchtower and has not worked his or her way back into the good graces of the Watchtower by the time of Armageddon.
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your talk is about like that taken from the Jehovah W. article. Don't worry if your a born again believer good, I didn't say you were a JW I asked. They take that scripture and do what they want with it. Sorry God bless.
Nope I believe you have your events out of order. Armageddon happens at the second coming. The worlds armies
gather together to destroy the remnant of righteous Jews and in a futile attempt to prevent Christ from returning to earth Any attack on Israel before then would just be another war like those of 1948, 67 and 73, whether Iran will be involved is likely but not definite
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yep,true.
When Jesus gathers his church pretrib we meet him in the air.
Also another "rapture" in rev 14. probably Jews. In either of those, Jesus returns to gather,not to invade.
Armageddon
The description is centered on Rev 16:1-21, vs 12-16.
The battle takes place between Israel and the Gentile nations. (assumed)
In order for this to happen, Israel MUST be restored. As it is NOW.
The effect of the vial being poured out (the withdrawing of God's blessings), is felt directly on the Euphrates River.
The waters represent the strength and power of the people in that area, not the literal drying of the river.
Since this battle has not happened yet, and we now have modern armies and air forces, the river is not an obstacle as it was in the past.
What prevented the armies of the kings of the east from attacking Israel was Iraq and Saddam.
Now that power is gone, "dried up", Iran can attack restored Israel.
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V 16, The armies of the kings of the east are lied to by the Dragon iron 4th beast nation leader (v 13).
He brings them to battle in the valley. The direction of the armies is seen.
The armies come across the Euphrates, they must pass through Syria (assumed), to get to the valley, as they are NOW.
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V 14, The battle involves the whole world armies (of the gentile nations), Russia?, Syria?, etc.?
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V 15, This event, is linked to the coming of Jesus by v 15. The resurrection/rapture coming, not the coming with clouds of armies at the dest. of Jerusalem in 70 ad..
The reason that it is the resur/rapt coming, is because of the hail in the 7th vial. All the events described can be symbolized to explain how it could be 70 ad, except for the hail (also see Rev 11:19 hail)
(also, after the 7th plague, men will enter the temple of God in heaven Rev 15:8)
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The event that happens before the 6 vial, is the 5th.
The darkness is poured out on the seat of the beast. The seat of the beast, dragon iron 4th beast nation, where the beast has his throne, Rome.
The darkness represents the withdrawing of blessings on that place, Rome.
Since Rome was blessed before the blessings were withdrawn, something must have happened to cause the withdrawing of God's blessings.
But what event would cause God to withdraw His blessings on Rome? (the opening of the abyss, and the REappearance of the dragon iron beast nation 1929) (5th trumpet).
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1929, darkness on Rome, when the Vatican becomes a nation again, 5th vial.
The forces of darkness drive Israel back to Jerusalem.
1967, Israel restored to Jerusalem, trib ends
9/11, the beginning of events that lead to the battle and the 7th vial.
The people of the Euphrates River region lose their power, dries up. (G.Bush and Saddam)
Iran, the kings of the east, brings their forces, along with the gentile nations of the world to destroy Israel restored to Jerusalem. (happening NOW)
The battle takes place.
The 7th vial.
The narrative ends and switches to a description of the harlot.
Brother Popeye,
Revelation is not one time line.
There are several places that tell the same story different ways.
The same story of Israel during the times of the gentiles and the restoration of Jerusalem, mainly.
Rev 14:14-15, shows that same story, by the view of the resurrection of Jesus.
Then vs 16-20, show the ToGs until Israel is restored to Jerusalem. The winepress is "outside of the city"
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popeye
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Why do you think the bible goes to the trouble of defining the 144k by tribes?
To bring home a point. They are purely Jewish. First fruit Jews. Rev 14 has the 144k in heaven,then IMMEDIATELY the "ripe fruits" gathered. DURING the Gt.
And rev is a tmeline,with a few exceptions. Babylon being one of the few.
It is one time line. Why do you think that God listed the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments 1 thru 7?
You can expect to see seals 1 thru 7, followed by Trumpets 1 thru 7 and completing God's wrath will be the bowl judgments 1 thru 7, with Jesus returning to the earth to end the age shortly after the 7 bowl has been poured out.
God gives us the order of events and everybody wants to take them out of order. Go figure!
Brother Ahwatukee,
I'm going to agree that the seals and trumpets are one consecutive time line.
But the 7 vials run parallel to the 7 trumpets.
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Think....The 6th head "is".
The 7th "yet to come".
The 8th "goes to perdition".
Yet, "he is one of the 7".
All, are the iron legs/etc., the 4th beast, the dragon, the nation of Rome.
The beast is Rome. The mark of the dragon iron beast nation is Rome.
Caesar is the Antichrist, revealed at the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
The Bishop of Rome is the image of Caesar. Caesar worship is the key element (holy father).
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Now we see this battle in the Rev. raging between Rome with the gentile nations, and Israel, wild and natural branches.
The end of the conflict is seen in several places.
1. The 7th trumpet, Jesus takes possession of the kingdom Rev 11:13 (Dan. 2:35 & 45)
2. The 7th Vial, Rev 16:17-21, Men can enter the temple in heaven after the 7th vial Rev 15:1 & 8.
3. The fire from heaven, Rev 20:9
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In the same narratives we see the abyss opened.
1. The 5th trumpet, The abyss is opened and Satan comes out.
2. The 5th vial, God withdraws His blessings on Rome, the seat of the Roman dragon iron beast nation.
3. The dragon v 2, comes out of the abyss and surrounds Jerusalem.
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The gentile nations attack Israel and Jerusalem restored to Israel.
1. 6th trumpet, the armies across the Euphrates River attack Jerusalem and kill the 2Ws.
2. 6th vial, the armies across the Euphrates River come to Armageddon to do battle.
3. the armies of Magog, the gentile nations, surround Jerusalem. (the last event that takes place on this earth before the great judgement)
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You are waiting for the Rev to begin.......But we are at the END, just before the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven.
When Iran attacks Israel, will you understand then? (it's already happening, beginning)
When the battle is raging in the valley of Armageddon, will you understand then?
When Israel loses the battle and they are going through the streets of Jerusalem killing Israel, will you understand then?
When Israel lies dead in the streets, and they do not bury them, will you understand then?
When the enemies of Israel and Jesus God, celebrate and send gifts to one another, will you understand then?
When they stand, 3 1/2 days later waiting, will you know then?
Well, after that, I'll meet you in the air.
Because they a Israel from the OT. who were resurrected with Jesus.
Except that the events you are showing are separated by the declarations of the angels.
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What are some of the other exceptions to the time line?
With all due respect I find your interpretation rather imaginative. To begin with Israel has not been fully restored and wont be until the Millennium. Why you choose 1967 as the date when Israels tribulation ends is a mystery. They had another war in 1973 and have had difficulies since then. To accept that the kings of the East are anything to do with Iran you need to believe that Iran has a population of 200 million because that is the number John was told there were. The only Country with that kind of population is China which is in the East. The idea that 1929 was the date that darkness covered Rome because the Vatican became a Country is stretching the imagination. In 1812 Napoleon forced Pope Pius VII into exile at Fountainblue.
I( would have thought this date would be more groundbreaking than 1929. Apart from that the Catholic Church didn't exist when John received Revelation.