Being Blotted Out Of The Book Of Life

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Another proof that you don't listen......Was John saved...YES and he said clearly that if we say that we have no sin we are deceived and the truth is not in us.....your views are flawed.....everyone...including the ones who are genuinely saved still fail the Lord and sin...this is not to say that they wilfully live in sin....you really should wake up and trust Jesus in a biblical manner instead of relying on your own self righteousness.......serious!

In 1 John 1:8, John is warning the brethren against the false believer's who think they have no sin spiritually. This is like the OSAS proponent today who believes their sin debt is paid for: past, present, and future. So they can say they have no sin. So there is no need for them to confess their sin as per 1 John 1:9 so as to be forgiven (as it says). In their mind, 1 John 1:9 is only dealing with a break of fellowship and not salvation. But they ignore 1 John 3:15, though. For they do not believe confessing sin to be necessary for salvation because they are forgiven of all sin, past, present, and future. The only difference between the false believers John was warning us about and the OSAS proponent today is that they will say they believe they sin physically in the flesh while spiritually they are not sinning because it was forgiven them.

The true believer will acknowledge their sin if sin does arise, and they will confess their sin as per 1 John 1:9. Thereby they admit that sin is very real and can potentially effect and harm the believer. So they confess it and they do not act like it is paid for automatically as if it does not exist for them. However, the true believer will not make excuses for sin and think they will forever be a slave to it.


 
MANY is NOT MOST....see you cannot even get your facts straight....nor do you understand many English words and how to apply them in sentences......get your facts straight and quit misrepresenting the truth about what people believe!

Look, he isn't speaking for everybody nor is he claiming to. He is just saying that there are people who believe the once saved always saved doctrine. I was raised by one. I have met more people who live like that than real Christians and I have traveled a lot so that's saying something. It's a ridiculous doctrine that has nothing what so ever to do with the Word itself.
 
why not? rcc heretics get away with it every day, all the time !
and
they NEVER present Scripture to back themselves up.. never.. they aren't able to.

they HAVE to present what the pope says, not Scripture, in order to remain in the heresy church.

(as Yahweh says, since most visitors and several members are deceived and remaining deceived and unsaved by the rcc)

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z k 2 thread > a group believes that some names cannot be blotted out of the BOOK of LIFE.

however, since Scripture shows that some names are blotted out,

that means , .... what ?

1) some names are blotted out.

2) some names are not blotted out.

3) people who think their name cannot be blotted out might already be blotted out ---

if their name is already blotted out, it cannot be blotted out again, right ?

4) people whose names are STILL IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, have not been blotted out, yet.

5) since some names are blotted out, people in (4), might still be blotted out, simply because

other names already have been blotted out, and who can know theirs will never be blotted out?

(the ones whose names are already BLOTTED OUT, once thought perhaps that they also could NEVER BE BLOTTED OUT, yet they are BLOTTED OUT. so THINKING SO DON'T MAKE IT SO.)

What? You lost me.
 
Another proof that you don't listen......Was John saved...YES and he said clearly that if we say that we have no sin we are deceived and the truth is not in us.....your views are flawed.....everyone...including the ones who are genuinely saved still fail the Lord and sin...this is not to say that they wilfully live in sin....you really should wake up and trust Jesus in a biblical manner instead of relying on your own self righteousness.......serious!

That's not what Jason0047 is saying, bro. He is saying that you have to admit to your sin and repent of it to be forgiven as Paul also said. Why are you getting so angry? It is causing you to blow what Jason0047 is saying way out of proportion.
 

John 3:15-16
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 6:37-39 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise [never] cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. [Luke 11:13, 1 Corinthians 12]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

2 Corinthians 1:22 And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? [the devil, deceivers] It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1 John 5:10-13 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began.

Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Psalm 34:22 The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.

Hebrews 7:24-25 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Jude 24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 
What? You lost me.

first of all, i forget not everyone has read the bible through and through, though i often see others posts
showing that they haven't read it or understand it at all (rcc, 2 commands, etc) .....

referring to the Lambs book of life - i 'thought' everyone knew the unbelievers names are not in there and never were... whether little or big, every word of God is important and true.

again referring to the oasis crowd, it's not necessarily the oasis beliefs but it's the other beliefs and lives associated with it that contaminate it all, that show corruption.

they all claim something is true (rcc is the most demonic of all doing this, destroying billions of souls all over the earth, .... rcc is the direct evil wicked enemy of life and of the Lord Jesus)....

and cannot back it up with Scripture ---- then, if they do 'claim' some Scripture, they misuse it, just like when the TORAH is misused, to deceive others, being deceived themselves.

when a roman catholic says "Jesus is Lord", it rarely ever is the truth. it is deception, as

Jesus points out in HIS WORD, and on Judgmen Day He tells them "begone from Me, I NEVER KNEW YOU"....

but getting through to the oasis crowd, or the roman's , is not possible unless the Father in Heaven grants it .... no amount of discussion, preaching, rhetoric, or study can help them otherwise....
 
first of all, i forget not everyone has read the bible through and through, though i often see others posts
showing that they haven't read it or understand it at all (rcc, 2 commands, etc) .....

referring to the Lambs book of life - i 'thought' everyone knew the unbelievers names are not in there and never were... whether little or big, every word of God is important and true.

again referring to the oasis crowd, it's not necessarily the oasis beliefs but it's the other beliefs and lives associated with it that contaminate it all, that show corruption.

they all claim something is true (rcc is the most demonic of all doing this, destroying billions of souls all over the earth, .... rcc is the direct evil wicked enemy of life and of the Lord Jesus)....

and cannot back it up with Scripture ---- then, if they do 'claim' some Scripture, they misuse it, just like when the TORAH is misused, to deceive others, being deceived themselves.

when a roman catholic says "Jesus is Lord", it rarely ever is the truth. it is deception, as

Jesus points out in HIS WORD, and on Judgmen Day He tells them "begone from Me, I NEVER KNEW YOU"....

but getting through to the oasis crowd, or the roman's , is not possible unless the Father in Heaven grants it .... no amount of discussion, preaching, rhetoric, or study can help them otherwise....

No need to be rude. I just didn't understand what you said is all. The way you wrote your first post got me a little confused. I understood this one, though.
 
Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):



  • Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.


  • Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.


  • Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.


  • Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.




  • Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.


  • Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.


  • Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.




  • Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).


  • Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?


  • Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.


  • John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).


  • John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.


  • John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.


  • John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?


  • Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.


  • Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.


  • Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.


  • Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.


  • Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.


  • Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.


  • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.


  • 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.


  • 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.


  • 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.


  • Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.


  • Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.


  • Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


  • Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.


  • Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.


  • Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.


  • Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
    … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.


  • Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.


  • Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.


  • Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.


  • 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.


  • 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.


  • 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.


  • 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).


  • 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.


  • Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.


  • Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?


  • Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.


  • Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.


  • Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).


  • Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).


  • Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.


  • Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.


  • Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.


  • Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.


  • Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.


  • Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.


  • Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.


  • James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.


  • 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.


  • 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.


  • 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.


  • 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.


  • 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


  • 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.


  • 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.


  • 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.


  • Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality


  • Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.




  • Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).


  • Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.


  • Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.


  • Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.


  • Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.


  • Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.


  • Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.


  • Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.



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Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com
 
No need to be rude. I just didn't understand what you said is all. The way you wrote your first post got me a little confused. I understood this one, though.

nothing rude. just straight and true. that's rare on this site, thankfully not as rare as on other forums who accept wickedness as truth.

a lot of visitors think wickedness is okay- without even ever thinking of repentance nor of salvation - they just want to be entertained and comfortable where they are, and accepted by others.

Jesus came to set us all free from humanism, socialism, catholicism and all the other ism's....

not politely. directly. straight and true. gently with the gentle. yes. uncompromisingly true and uncompromisingly righteous all the time.
 

John 3:15-16
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 6:37-39 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise [never] cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. [Luke 11:13, 1 Corinthians 12]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

2 Corinthians 1:22 And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? [the devil, deceivers] It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1 John 5:10-13 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began.

Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Psalm 34:22 The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.

Hebrews 7:24-25 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

2 Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Jude 24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Amen to that.....people who deny eternal security also deny the very meaning of the words....

Eternal
Everlasting
Whatsoever
Justified
Sealed
Day of Redemption
Will complete it unto the day of redemption
Forgiven
Aorist Tense Verbs
Is having
and On and ON and ON.......

Blows my mind how they also reject the dual nature of a saved child of God, the fact that the spirit is what has been born again and is eternally saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ while being bound in a weak dead body of sin that is contrary to truth...etc......
 
None of the following verses in context teach that a born again child of God can lose salvation......

Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):



  • Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.


  • Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.


  • Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.


  • Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.




  • Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.


  • Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.


  • Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.




  • Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).


  • Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?


  • Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.


  • John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).


  • John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.


  • John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.


  • John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?


  • Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.


  • Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.


  • Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.


  • Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.


  • Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.


  • Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.


  • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.


  • 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.


  • 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.


  • 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.


  • Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.


  • Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.


  • Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


  • Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.


  • Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.


  • Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.


  • Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
    … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.


  • Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.


  • Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.


  • Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.


  • 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.


  • 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.


  • 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.


  • 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).


  • 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.


  • Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.


  • Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?


  • Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.


  • Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.


  • Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).


  • Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).


  • Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.


  • Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.


  • Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.


  • Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.


  • Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.


  • Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.


  • Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.


  • James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.


  • 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.


  • 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.


  • 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.


  • 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.


  • 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


  • 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.


  • 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.


  • 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.


  • Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality


  • Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.




  • Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).


  • Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.


  • Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.


  • Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.


  • Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.


  • Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.


  • Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.


  • Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.



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Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com
 
"eternal security" is real for those who remain endure to the end alive in Yahshua Hamashiach.

for those who are not in Him, or who do not endure to the end, that's another thing.

many ("MANY") of those who believe they are His, find out on Judgement Day they aren't and NEVER WERE. so what good does believing in eternal security do for them ?
 
"eternal security" is real for those who remain endure to the end alive in Yahshua Hamashiach.

for those who are not in Him, or who do not endure to the end, that's another thing.

many ("MANY") of those who believe they are His, find out on Judgement Day they aren't and NEVER WERE. so what good does believing in eternal security do for them ?

Those who never were in him did the following...

1. Trusted in themselves and their own righteous works
2. Believed they could prophesy in the name of Christ
3. Believed they had the ability to cast out devils in the name of Christ

Doesn't say anything about them actually trusting into Jesus and acknowledging him as Lord and savior.....nay...instead they trusted in themselves like all workers for salvation do!
 
nothing rude. just straight and true. that's rare on this site, thankfully not as rare as on other forums who accept wickedness as truth.

a lot of visitors think wickedness is okay- without even ever thinking of repentance nor of salvation - they just want to be entertained and comfortable where they are, and accepted by others.

Jesus came to set us all free from humanism, socialism, catholicism and all the other ism's....

not politely. directly. straight and true. gently with the gentle. yes. uncompromisingly true and uncompromisingly righteous all the time.

I was talking about the way you were talking, dear. I'm naturally a blunt person so I know the difference.
 
Those who never were in him did the following...

1. Trusted in themselves and their own righteous works
2. Believed they could prophesy in the name of Christ
3. Believed they had the ability to cast out devils in the name of Christ

Doesn't say anything about them actually trusting into Jesus and acknowledging him as Lord and savior.....nay...instead they trusted in themselves like all workers for salvation do!

Oil in the lamp, the Holy Spirit life of Christ, and clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ, and Christ alone, or dead, in filthy rags. As they say, lots of luck with the latter. And lots of luck, explaining how doubt is faith.
 
John 3:15-16 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And you have to read the "Condemnation" in relation to that verse to get the context. John 3:19-21 says,

"
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." (John 3:19-21).

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
His sheep that will not be plucked out his hand are the type of sheep that follow Him. These are not sheep being dragged about their necks against their wills.

John 6:37-39 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise [never] cast out.

It is talking about coming to the Lord and it is not talking about continuing with Him. For there is a difference between me going to your house versus say.... staying for a couple of weeks. You may never cast out anyone who may come to your house to visit you.... but will you let them stay indefinitely if they started to have large parties and put peanut butter on your walls and shaved their names into your pets?

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Key word here is..... "should." He should lose nothing. Should is not a word that is a definite maybe. For I can say... I should make it to your house Friday. You could be like.... what do you mean... should? You are going to be there, right?
Remember, in John 17, the Father gave the disciples to Jesus but he kept them all except one. One he had lost. In other words, you cannot lose something you never had. For example: If I let you borrow my book, you can then lose it. But if you never borrowed my book and it was never in your possession, you cannot say you lost it.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

And the context says...

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:29).

In other words, one has to do good in order to be a part of the resurrection of life. If one does evil they will be a part of the resurrection of damnation.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

This is spoken to usaved Israel (But it can apply to all). So the context here is not to saved believers. It does not mean Israel will be saved even if they remain in unbelief.

[Luke 11:13,

Not sure how this helps Eternal Security. It is just saying that God does good unto those who are his. It does not say God saves a believer despite his wickedness or if they adide in one or two unrepentant sins.

1 Corinthians 12

When you read 1 Corinthians 12, you also have to read 1 Corinthians 10:1-12.

1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.11Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

I can receive a free car as a gift, but that does not mean I can run red lights, run over pedestrians, and drink and drive with that free gift. Gifts come with responsibitlies in keeping them properly. Also, read the beginning of Ephesians 2. It says we used to be sinners but we are not that way anymore.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Salvation was never not by grace. Salvation has always been by God's grace. The Pharisees made the Law of Moses into a rulebook to be saved instead of having a relationship with the Lord. Yes, we are to obey God's commands, but first one must be circumcised in heart (i.e. Old Testament term for born again) or one must be born again (New Testament term). Works are merely the result of the believer yielding to the Lord and the good work He wants to do in you. Works was never for salvation. Works is just the fruit of salvation. Works is just the proof in the pudding God lives within a person.

But there are commands that do have conditions if a believer does not follow them, though. For example: If you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15). If one hates their brother they are a murderer and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15). So we are commanded not to hate our brother, otherwise eternal life will not abide in us. It is a Condition that refutes Once Saved Always Saved.

I will address your other verses at another time.
 
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Jason,
I am confused as to what you are saying, especially with Galatians 5:1-4
You stated "Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace." You have said that we have to be justified by the law in order to be saved....Isn't that what you just said makes us fall from God and grace? please explain
Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):



  • Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.


  • Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.


  • Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.


  • Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.




  • Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.


  • Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.


  • Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.




  • Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).


  • Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?


  • Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.


  • John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).


  • John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.


  • John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.


  • John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?


  • Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.


  • Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.


  • Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.


  • Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.


  • Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.


  • Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.


  • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.


  • 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.


  • 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.


  • 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.


  • Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.


  • Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.


  • Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


  • Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.


  • Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.


  • Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.


  • Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
    … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.


  • Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.


  • Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.


  • Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.


  • 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.


  • 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.


  • 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.


  • 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).


  • 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.


  • Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.


  • Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?


  • Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.


  • Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.


  • Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).


  • Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).


  • Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.


  • Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.


  • Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.


  • Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.


  • Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.


  • Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.


  • Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.


  • James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.


  • 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.


  • 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.


  • 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.


  • 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.


  • 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


  • 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.


  • 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.


  • 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.


  • Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality


  • Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.




  • Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).


  • Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.


  • Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.


  • Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.


  • Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.


  • Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.


  • Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.


  • Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.



Source Used:
Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com
 
The question for me is which direction are you facing not where you have got to.

Imagine the kingdom of heaven is very simple, very very simple. It is a game, either you want to play or you do not.
You can dabble at the edges, but is you are not serious, times up.

I am not sure any of us really know in someone else how well they have bought into the reality, because it is something in your soul that only the individual feels, and if you do not feel you do not know that is the a problem.

But be encouraged, if you are in a garage and you behave like a car, you are a car. So if you have the joy of the Lord, love from the heart and grow in the gifts of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience etc. then you have got it.

Jesus talked about building a tower and counting the cost. It takes time effort and resources. If you do not complete it it was not worth it. But this is the point, the finished article, but we are always on a walk, where we go from one state of glory to the next.

So the intellectual concepts are just that, it is the carrying on and seeing the beauty of it that matters. Unfortunately few seem to catch the real fire of what love is, but then that is why Jesus died so we could.

Does this help at all?