Being raped better than letting women have gun to shoot rapist with?:India and rape

[PoxEclipse]

How to Avoid Rape

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[sanglina]

The national values comment was only aimed at correcting the view that the Bible can be used to support one's national values. If that's what was originally implied. But I don't believe the Bible says anything about guns, so if we argue for or against guns we'll have to ultimately use something else to back up our arguments such as you have done with "look at all the mass-shootings in America" and such as I have done with "look at the violent crime avoided in Washington, D.C. after the ban on gun ownership was repealed." Neither of these have anything to do with the Bible, but they're still valid arguments.

I would argue that gun ownership is more intelligent than lack of gun ownership because it deprives one of a facet of self-defense. And there's no guarantee that guns would be off the streets of America if America banned ownership of all guns. You could still get them from military stockpiles on military bases, you could get them from manufacturing plants, they could be smuggled in from Mexico, and they could be assembled privately, etc. And you can bet that any serious criminal organization would do its best to take advantage of this opportunity. So what ordinary citizens would not do in their attempts to manufacture or otherwise smuggle in a gun - organized crime would certainly do. And all of those law-abiding citizens who don't own a gun would be easy prey to criminals.

When I say "gun culture" I don't just mean anything and everything that is pro-gun. I mean a culture that deals with guns on a daily basis. In fact my estimate would be that about 40% of Americans are anti-gun. And our laws reflect that. You cannot carry a gun onto school campuses. This is why criminals know it is an easy target for gun-related violence.

The krux of the matter is this: guns are the great equalizer. The more guns you have the less it matters how big you are or how many people you need, especially if they are automatic weapons such as were used in Columbine. This means one criminal can wield great power over many who do not own a gun. And it also means a law-abiding citizen who owns a gun can wield great power over many criminals who do not own a gun. In America those who have committed federal offenses are already outlawed from owning guns. But law-abiding citizens are still allowed the legal right to own a gun. In most cases. We don't have the big federal government that other countries have, so each state has separate laws and our government is less centralized. Which I'm also comfortable and happy with.

And I'd like to mention to anyone here who has gotten the wrong impression that America is the Wild West that you've only been hearing one side of the story about guns. That is that guns are evil. Why? Because the media in America is largely liberal, and liberals hate guns. Also, probably because it fits your own politicians' anti-gun agendas. But there are websites you can find online that record gun self-defense stories. And usually what happens when a law-abiding citizen pulls a gun on a criminal who is about to attack them, the criminal runs away. And no one gets hurt. If anyone does get hurt, then it's usually 1-2 people injured or dead instead of 20 people injured or killed. You see, in public schools in America there are no security guards and no one is allowed to have a gun. So the criminals who have guns there have all the power. And they shoot anyone they want. This is an example of how anti-gun laws have killed more people than they have saved. And why? Because criminals will commit criminal acts. A lot of them are smart enough to know how to abuse America's laws. And if there were absolutely no guns in America criminals would use bombs or knives and gangs. And anyone a gang approached would be helpless against that gang.

So getting rid of guns is pointless and will increase the rate of violent crime - especially against women. Because men will have greater physical strength and power over women. They can rape them at their leisure without fear of being confronted by a gun. Also, the increase in anti-gun laws without immediately doing away with guns will cause many more incidents like these school shootings. So why not stop focusing on guns and focus on how to prevent crime or reduce it within the society we already have? For one, you could put security guards in schools. Because our schools are defenseless against gun crime right now. But I'm sure no liberal politician will do that, because then we could live a lot more safely with guns and it'd probably stop most gun-related violence in schools. And it would invalidate the illogical disdain of guns liberals hold.

I am quite sure I have done my basic homework about the use of gun before taking my position. So, I would say all that you have stated here is not something new to me or something that I am not unaware of it. So, let's just agree to disagree.

 

[cipher]

The national values comment was only aimed at correcting the view that the Bible can be used to support one's national values. If that's what was originally implied. But I don't believe the Bible says anything about guns, so if we argue for or against guns we'll have to ultimately use something else to back up our arguments such as you have done with "look at all the mass-shootings in America" and such as I have done with "look at the violent crime avoided in Washington, D.C. after the ban on gun ownership was repealed." Neither of these have anything to do with the Bible, but they're still valid arguments.

I agree with you totally on this.

This thread is getting weirder and weirder for a Christian forum. A lot of unChristian behaviour is shown here like Bible thumping and/or making national/racial comments just to prove a point instead of putting forth intellectual arguments for/against gun ownership.

My view: Gun ownership is just like growing muscles. No guy would dare try to rape a Christina Hammer or a Layla Mccarter. Guns give women power. Yes, everything can be used/abused including this forum/thread If you can't fault a woman for learning boxing, the same applies to Gun ownership as well.

 

[Praus]

Well. I follow JESUS, not GANDHI. Don't worry about it.

Ahimsa is one of the yamas of raja yoga (Yamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)--is practicing ahimsa a sign of following Jesus Christ?

If dharmic/karmic philosophies such as ahimsa are so wonderful then why not just convert to Hinduism?

-> Ahimsa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ahimsa (Sanskrit: अहिंसा; IAST: ahiṃsā, Pāli:[1] avihiṃsā) is a term meaning do not injure. The word is derived from the Sanskrit root hiṃs – to strike; hiṃsā is injury or harm, a-hiṃsā is the opposite of this, i.e. cause no injury, do no harm. ...

Ahimsa is one of the cardinal virtues and an important tenet of major Indian religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism). Ahimsa is a multidimensional concept, inspired by the premise that all living beings have the spark of the divine spiritual energy, to hurt another being is to hurt oneself. Ahimsa has also been related to the notion that any violence has karmic consequences. While ancient scholars of Hinduism pioneered and over time perfected the principles of Ahimsa, the concept reached an extraordinary status in the ethical philosophy of Jainism. Most popularly, Mahatma Gandhi strongly believed in the principle of ahimsa."

That can be under ahimsa only. I would, therefore, stand for ahimsa as the only means for obtaining India’s freedom even if I were alone."

Our culture and our birth as a nation was founded on ahimsa and satyagraha.

If the caste system is an issue then there are some nice Buddhist monasteries at Sarnath just outside of Varanasi, they reject caste and one can meditate in the forest while pretending (ahimsa you know) that that the Republic of India isn't really armed with nuclear weapons like so many others.

 

[Rachel20]

If dharmic/karmic philosophies such as ahimsa are so wonderful then why not just convert to Hinduism?

Thanks you.

However I have no one to turn to but Jesus Christ. He has the words of eternal life.

And I think you should keep in mind this --->


Matthew 18:6

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[Rachel20]

-is practicing ahimsa a sign of following Jesus Christ?.....

Ahimsa (Sanskrit: अहिंसा; IAST: ahiṃsā, Pāli:[1] avihiṃsā) is a term meaning do not injure. The word is derived from the Sanskrit root hiṃs – to strike; hiṃsā is injury or harm, a-hiṃsā is the opposite of this, i.e. cause no injury, do no harm. ...

Galations 5:22-23

[SUP]2 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.


Proverbs 3:27

Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due,[SUP][a][/SUP]
when it is in your power to do it.

I am proud of my country and our culture. (Indian culture places a lot of importance on modesty for their women )

This is where God put me.
AND I trust God for my protection.

Psalm 18:2-3

The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer,
my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge,
my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]I call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised,
and I am saved from my enemies.

 

[Praus]

I am proud of my country and our culture. (Indian culture places a lot of importance on modesty for their women )

You better run fast, before the Bengal Tiger arrives.
Rawr! .....

They told me, don't go walkin' slow, the devil's on the loose
Better run through the jungle

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[Rachel20]

They told me, don't go walkin' slow, the devil's on the loose
Better run through the jungle

Oh.......

 

[Rachel20]

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[Praus]

"At any rate, I'll never go THERE again!" said Alice, as she picked her way through the wood. "It's the stupidest tea-party I ever was at in all my life!"
--Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, (1865)

 

[TheAristocat]

I just can't get over the selective application of verses.

If everything is a matter of simply not loving your life, being a slave to all, and seeking refuge in God, then why should anyone stand up for anyone's interests?

Why be against human trafficking?
Why be against slavery?
Why be against sexism?

Instead of fighting all of those things, we should simply say ...."Well this life is temporal, quit loving your life, find refuge in God, you don't need anyone to advocate for you, and well we're all slaves anyways."

Honestly if we're going to apply verses about not loving life, finding refuge in God, and being slaves to all to guns for personal protection, then we need to apply it to every scenario where some sort of protecting or advocating is needed. We can't be selective.

Of course we all see the absurdity of carrying those verses to such a back breaking extent.

Well said.

 

[Bud]

I am sorta new in this culture,but I feel if your a responsible person you 1st know you don't have to kill just because you have a Gun. But if my life is in danger I will act accordingly, with equal force,and i expect any lady to do so with vigilance.vengeance is Gods so go with a vigilance,but be EFFECTIVE.

 

[Tintin]

I'm seriously disturbed by the title of this thread. Every time it comes up, I feel nauseous. But that's probably a good thing given the seriousness of this topic.

 

[TheAristocat]

I am sorta new in this culture,but I feel if your a responsible person you 1st know you don't have to kill just because you have a Gun. But if my life is in danger I will act accordingly, with equal force,and i expect any lady to do so with vigilance.vengeance is Gods so go with a vigilance,but be EFFECTIVE.

Also very well-said.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

I vote for the pee on yourself option.

 

[jurez]

Women are fragile my nature, we should protect them, at least society should know women are equally same as men, also true women should also think she is not above men

 

[savedNblessed]

India is on the other side now of a very public case of a woman being gang raped. In reply a gun manufacturer has designed a gun for women to defend themselves against a potential rapist.



I'm still trying to get my mind around an apparent attitude that views allowing a woman to be armed, as worse than actually being raped.

Shouldn't women be allowed all options to protect themselves from this violence?

How can someone claim to be pro-women, but then favor a policy that views a woman being raped as less severe than letting a woman carry a gun to actually protect herself from being raped?

Policy seems to be based more on emotions, than what makes sense. If policy is being made mostly on emotions, then it's truly sad that people have MORE emotional outrage over an armed woman, than they do over a woman being raped. Please, someone, tell me, how is that pro-woman?

If a woman can prove she can handle a gun responsibly, and prove she has the mental senses to own, carry, use, then who in their right mind would deny a woman this self-defense option?

Yes I get it, a woman carrying a gun doesn't make one feel all nice. But you know what, a woman being raped should make you feel worse than the prospects of a capable woman owning a gun to protect herself.

So what's it going to be folks?

Are we going to deny capable women a self defense option, simply because it makes us feel bad? Are we going to passively enable their rapist, simply because we have a stigma, and phobia over guns? Or are we going to say no to rapists, and yes to women, and enable capable women another option to protect themselves?



India's Women-Friendly Gun Renews Debate Over Self-Defense Against Rape

Well, I'll just ask one question to ponder upon, how many of the Indian women will be able to afford these??!! They will probably be taken advantage of just to obtain one of these. It's a NEVER ending cycle!