Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues
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So would we be spiritual beings we would not sin. But we are not spiritual beings so long we are not compleat changed in a new heavenly body! This will be in Future, but it is nother yet!
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
This is why we speak in tongues. One reason...we are refreshed. How many times do we feel weak and weary in this world? Because of the world spirit, and the enemy working against us?
This is why we speak in tongues. One reason...we are refreshed. How many times do we feel weak and weary in this world? Because of the world spirit, and the enemy working against us?
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Umm... he is not speaking about tongues...he talking about converting ..meaning becoming a believer.
When we are born again into eternal life we are refreshed.
When we are born again into eternal life we are refreshed.
No wolf. Are you not a new creation in Christ Jesus? How did Jesus walk? The anointing came on Jesus in the form of a dove at His baptism. This is what we are calling giftings wolf. The anointing. If we say we live in Him, then walk as He walked. That is scripture. This is how He walked. In union with Father, moving in Spirit.
And He sent His Spirit into the world that we would have His power. Dunamis. Power to live, power to do.
You think? Times of refreshing will come from the Lord. Times. More than one time.
Who all? Well pentecostals and also i think the most charismatics outside acts 2, 8, 10 and 19 as an proof that every Christian will get the speaking in tongues. Other Christians outside acts as coming of the Holy Spirit with flame and speaking in real tongues understandable for the Jews from the sourounding countrys. Acts 8 as an one time example for the Jews that the Gospel ist also for the hatet Samaritians. Acts 10 as an one time example for the Jews that the Gospel is for the Gentiles too. Before that God prepared Peter with an special lesson! And Acts 19 is an one time example for the followers of John the Baptist, that the Gospel is for them. This 4 examples Shows that the Gospel is really for all mankind! So what is right? Because this is not again repeatet in the acts when others turn to Christ! So it is an assumption to teach from this 4 events that every believer makes this expierience! And the history proofes it. Paul said clear that not all getting the gift of speaking in tongues and he discern this gifT not in one for the church andoes one for privat. He said if you use it in the church someone should be there to translate it, if is nobody there he should use it for privat.
SO If someone claim it is for all, then he has to proof it with the scripture. And this means what says the scripture and not what I want could the scripture say.Exegese and no Eisegese!
Since nearly 30 years in got refreshing and encouragement from the word of God. Where it is said, that for get refreshing we have to speak in tongues?
The Holy Spirit was sent to show the World their sin. Yes he enables for the tasks he given us. But he gave us not the Power for to live as superheros! And also you are not find in the epistles ore in acts that the Christians lived as superheros. They were recocnized from the folks not because of their power but because of their love.
If you read 1. COR. you must wonder that these flesh mindet brothers and sisters got all this gifts. I cant see that spirituall maturity is the condition to get a spiritual gift. Not after reading 1. Corinthians!
The Ethiopian Eunuch didn't.
The Samaritans that Philip was preaching the things of the kingdom of heaven and the name of Jesus Christ to, didn't.
Not every one that believed and got saved spoke in tongues.
You guys are advocating for receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation in order to get this tongue that never comes with interpretation which is why you cannot use Acts as a reference for how you guys are claiming to get that tongue.
See the difference? I hope you can by His grace & by His help. If not, I suggest you pray to Jesus normally for this wisdom.
One question to consider in how you are applying that verse.
Are you constantly being saved?
Then the refreshing is not a continual event when your salvation is not.
The refreshing:
Isa 28:9 To whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message? To children just weaned from milk? To those just taken from the breast?
Isa 28:10 For it is: "Do this and do that, do this and do that, Line upon line, line upon line, a little here, a little there."
Isa 28:11 Very well, then, by strange lips and foreign tongues the LORD will speak to this people
Isa 28:12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, so give rest to the weary"' and "This is the place of repose"—but they would not listen.
Isa 28:13 So, then, the message from the LORD to them will become: "Do this and do that, do this and do that, line upon line, line upon line, a little here, a little there," so that they will go, but fall backward, and be injured, snared, and captured.
enow
How did Paul know that the people he laid hands on to receive Holy Spirit, actually received Him?
Why resist? I do not understand why anyone would resist the power of Holy Spirit and His gifts.
And why not trust the Lord to give good things from Himself?
Kundilini belongs to the world spirit. Is an imitation of what is truth.
Isa 28:9 To whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message? To children just weaned from milk? To those just taken from the breast?
Isa 28:10 For it is: "Do this and do that, do this and do that, Line upon line, line upon line, a little here, a little there."
Isa 28:11 Very well, then, by strange lips and foreign tongues the LORD will speak to this people
Isa 28:12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, so give rest to the weary"' and "This is the place of repose"—but they would not listen.
Isa 28:13 So, then, the message from the LORD to them will become: "Do this and do that, do this and do that, line upon line, line upon line, a little here, a little there," so that they will go, but fall backward, and be injured, snared, and captured.
enow
How did Paul know that the people he laid hands on to receive Holy Spirit, actually received Him?
Why resist? I do not understand why anyone would resist the power of Holy Spirit and His gifts.
And why not trust the Lord to give good things from Himself?
Kundilini belongs to the world spirit. Is an imitation of what is truth.
No you are misunderstanding. The purpose of the baptism of Holy Spirit is to live out of His Resurrection life.
A life of the Supernatural power of God Almighty, just as Jesus did.
I've had tastes of it...but yet to experience tabernacles. These feasts are pictures, symbols of the truth for His body. If you are of His body...they all are for you.
We do not speak in tongues as a language unknown to the speaker. When God was still brining new prophecy God He interpreted prophecy into what ever language he chose.At times more than ten different all at the same time.
Tongue is a sign to those who have no faith, the rebellious... they reject the authority of scripure making it to no effect. Big difference between tongues for those who belive not and prophecy for those who do belive.
No matter how many times or how often we feel weak and weary in this world.... speaking into the air will not refresh anything save the imaginations of ones own heart , Babel yes, refreshment no
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
14) For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
Paul did not lay hands on all of them any more than Paul water baptized every one he had preached to.
Look at how Paul had received the promise;
Acts 9:[SUP]15 [/SUP]But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:[SUP] 16 [/SUP]For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.[SUP]20 [/SUP]And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Paul did not speak in tongues when he had gotten saved.
So... how did Paul know that they had received the Holy Spirit? The same way he did, by faith in Jesus Christ.
Because you guys are not asking Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for that gift of tongue, but seeking to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation in bringing this tongue which never comes with interpretation.
Not when Khundalini was in the world BEFORE Pentecost. That makes God imitating the devil's tongue and not the other way around, which He isn't because that is not God's gift of tongues of vain & profane babbling.
Sat Nam: The Secret History of Kundalini Yoga
Quoted from the link above:
The Holy Spirit is not our connection to the Divine. The Son, Jesus Christ is. That is why all invitations points to the Bridegroom in how we are "intimate" with God as the bride of Christ. Jesus as the Good Shepherd, speaks to us through the Holy Spirit in us; our response is back to the Bridegroom since it is His words that we hear.
For God to call those sinners out of that practice" of union of spirit & body connection, just like the American Indians from their communion with animal spirits and others to the "Great Spirit" for which they dance and chant for to come & fall on them to give them that supernatural drunkenness which they had referred to when alcohol was introduced to them... God will not imitate.
Do consider that and why the spotlight can never be on the Holy Spirit for a sign when the indwelling Holy Spirit would ALWAYS keep the spotlight on the Son to keep out the spirits of the antichrist that would take that spotlight away from the Son to mislead believers into chasing after them for a sign.
Note how the world receives spirits and note how we will know the real Holy Spirit by Him in us.
John 14:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Tongues were never to serve as a sign towards the believers, but you guys are hyping tongues as a sign when seeking to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation. That is why that tongues does not come with interpretation and why it is not of Him at all, but it is a stranger's voice & thus confusion and God is not the author of it when it is hardly any foreign language of men on earth at all.