Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues
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? We are to build on it. Needs to be the right foundation, then comes the building.
We?
no we're not
you might also want to review 1 Corinthians 3
try laying another FOUNDATION then the one laid
it will be seen for what it is
manmade toil
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Speaking in Tongues/Wisdom ***We receive wisdom from God as we pray in tongues***just as the Word enlightens us, so does the Spirit***many times when I have questions before the Lord and pray in tongues I receive in my spirit knowledge which helps guide me***We can seek and find Wisdom in many ways---The Word, others believers, experiences in which God instructs us, dreams, visions, gifts of the Spirit, and Holy Spirit inspiration***all experiences are to be judge by the Word of God***in all your getting get Wisdom (Proverbs 4:7)...
There is no question in 1st John 2:24. It is a statement.
Do you have an answer to the question: Should someone who claims to have physical supernatural abilities from the Holy Spirit be challenged to prove their claim? In other words, should we accept the Mormon church apostles as from God because of their claims or should they be challenged. Mormons believe to challenge the claims is to show disbelief in God.
That foundation which was laid by Christ Jesus cannot be laid again apart from salvation, because that foundation is salvation that can never be removed which is why it is the works on it that will be judged, including works that deny Him of having laid that foundation when we had received Him at our salvation.
Do go before that throne of grace and pray normally, asking Jesus in trusting Him as your Good Shepherd, if you had gone astray to help see that you have so you can return to your first love because the Bridegroom is coming soon. You do not want to be identified with those out to the market, seeking to be filled when you had been filled and ready to go.
Let's reiterate what they are saying about this "Holy Spirit". They are claiming to receive the sign of tongues by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit SEPARATE from their salvation, even though Romans 8:9 & 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 as a lie.
Some will say that it is another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, even though Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Corinthians 12:13, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 and still 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 exposes that to be a lie also.
Then there is the "holy laughter" movement, the Toronto's Blessings, the Pensacola Blessings, "slain in the 'Spirit' ", "drunk in the 'Spirit ' " of which God is not the author of since confusion reigns within in seeking to receive the Holy Spirit "again" apart from salvation.
So in spite of all those signs, if gained by the lie of receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation, it is not of Him.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
So when I read this below:
1 John 2:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
These wayward sign seeking believers are NOT abiding in Him as they were in the beginning because by their hypocritical work of claiming to receiving Him again apart from salvation even by a sign of tongues when tongues were never to serve as a sign to already saved believers about anything, ( 1 Corinthians 14:20-22 ) they are NOT abiding in Him as they were in the beginning.
So even though they deny Him by that iniquity, He still abides, but unless they repent, He will deny them at the Marriage Supper to be received later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
Anyone claiming a good work by this iniquity that they think they are receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation, ARE NOT abiding in Him as they were from the beginning.
Matthew 7:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:[SUP] 25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:[SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
That is why saved believers fall backwards in these movements of the "Spirit" when they deny Jesus Christ is in them and cannot be received again apart from salvation when the forever abiding Holy Spirit is a Witness in us that we are saved.
Hebrews 10:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;[SUP]13 [/SUP]From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us:
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ok thank you I got it now. I would like to say I do not believe I have anything as in "my spirit " but I do have what the Holy Spirit has used me in. I have been asked by skeptics to provide proof or a sign or evidence yes i have however, I do not entertain such request . Why? because Matt 16:4
says " [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed."[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]all I can do is testify to what I have seen and done according to the word of God that is in the life changing power of salvation which too many want proof . scoffers, mockers and doubters is nothing new Christ dealt with them all the time .
I would not speak in tongues on demand to satisfy a personal request for proof. Nor would I lay hands on a person to pray for their healing as a side show . I would not do that.
Is it proper to challenge the claims? sure it is. And I will say there is proof but a skeptic will not always be convinced.
example :
I have seen a man who was dead and was prayed for and came back to life he was not dead that long so the skeptic says anyone could have brought him back , really?
That is a very very boastful statement . Dead is dead and if God does not allow you to come back no machine will chnage that. the person who prayed to God asking God to not let him die I think was the reason but the skeptic not so.
I have seen blind eye healed
and crippled person healed. and those having cancer prayed for went to Doctor and it was gone.
but the skeptic
will say I have never seen a person with no leg get legs , well neither have I but I do not doubt that God can do it. and nor do I think I can explain why it has not happen . skeptics, mockers, and scoffers were in Jesus day and today.
I have no issue with them nor do I do anything for show . Jesus healed because HE had compassion and love for the people .
That has to be the reason why one prays for the sick and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are to comfort , edify , and exhort .
If I have not LOVE and speak with the tongues of men and angels I am nothing.[/FONT]
The word physical as that which represents that seen with the eye makes the word supernatural (without beginning) to no effect. Experience is not the validation of things not seen, the spiritual
A prophet today…..One who declares the word (prophesying) of God called prophecy. It is sealed up till the end of time. What we had in part before the last book was written today we have the whole also called the perfect.
Apostle simply means one sent with no other meaning added. Moses was an old testament apostle as was Abel who Cain slew.
Prophecy the supernatural abilities of God is after mo man.. “Tongues” are a sign against those who reject “prophecy” .We are not to confuse the two. Both heard the words of Peter . One did not mix faith in what they did hear as a sign against them and those who did hear having mixied it with faith (the unseen)
The Mormons show their self as false prophets, false apostles , by using the Book of
Mormon…. their own source of false prophecy that they send out those false apostles with. They simply call that false prophecy another revelation of Christ. Therefore violating the law written at the closing and sealing up of the book of prophecy, the bible.
Okay...but are you saying "yes" or "no" to the question as written.
Mormons claim their prophets and apostles are performing the supernatural, should they be challenged?
Scripture challenges Mormons.
Galatians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.[SUP]9 [/SUP]As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Just as scripture challenges receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation with evidence of tongues when tongues are not to serve as a sign to saved believers for anything.
2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP]21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Give me an example of how you would or have challenged the Mormon claims of supernatural abilities?
They are adding to THW FOUNDATION more than what is needed and have made that clear by their manmade additions , input, suggestions, notions, ideas and imaginings that they don't even understand THE FOUNDATUON which their feet should be firmly planted on
instead they added shifting sand between their feet and THE FOUNDATION
And it is this shifting sand which will cause their feet to fall
It seems people are dancing around giving a straight yes or no answer to this simple question.
Are tongues not a physical supernatural gift of the Holy Spirit? If so, should those who claim to have this ability be challenged? Yes or No.
This is a very dangerous question.
Few if any apart from the Mormons themselves would consider them to be Christians. If they are not Christians then there is no Holy Spirit of God at work among them in regard to the supernatural acts you are suggesting. This then forces an inescapable comparison to what others in the Christian community are doing.
I do not think it wise or even possible to make such comparisons. We need to operate on the side of grace and compassion in these matters. Leave to God the things that He alone is able to judge.
Don't force situations where judgment of other Christians is the issue.
For the cause of Christ
Roger