benny hinn

[carey]

You can be raptured here and noiw being by belief dead in the flesh and alive in the Spirit of God a new you once you settle thisfact you are forgiven 100% and once one sees this then they move onto the Spirit more and more dieing to flesh caranl mindset daily renewing their mind unto 100% of the time being in the Spirit of God yet only daily for Christ take no thought of tommorrow. I think I am seeing why how about you? The death, burial and resurrection is the full Gospel it is the life the resurrected life of Christ that resurrects you the believer here and now, but we got to see that we are forgiven first 100% before we can move on othewrwise we are stuck as what many religous leaders like BH and others have accomplished in creating the believer needs more just like the Judaisers in Pauls day did to the Galatians by adding Circumcism.
Today it is needing more forgiveness that the cross was not and is not sufficient when it is 100% done

I'm sorry homeward, but I honestly don't see how this relates to the rapture? Please remember I'm really not too smart, scholarly speaking, if you could explain in a simple way I'd appreciate it, thanks

 

[onlinebuddy]

Thank you onlinebuddy, I have not recommended anyone to BH or any television show production. I only recommend Christ Jesus and no other, and have had experience when I used ot do Maintenance work at aptment complexes and met a person who at the time was listening to BH ministries and said he believed. We had a long conversation, and I know he was made aware and to read for himself to seek for truth between God and him Jesus being his only mediator between God and him.
Romans 8:28 for I know this to be true

I agree that there are such instances where people have been inspired to seek God after watching BH. If God reached out to the Ethiopian Eunuch in the middle of the desert, why wouldn't he reach out to an unsuspecting seeker watching the BH show?God is not bound by, or dependent on any ministry. He know those who seek him and He knows how to bring them to Himself.

As a believer, I have watched BH programs myself, because I loved the Jesus he was preaching. I have worshiped with him and sent him money too I even attended one of his crusades when he came to India in 2003. I just loved the singing. However, the drama that unfolds at his crusades, and his tall and extra biblical claims have turned me off.

So, I haven't jumped to any premature conclusions without giving BH a sincere ear. God Bless!

 

[annointedshepherd]

I rebuke you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven. Luke 6:47
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. Matthew 7:2[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]you do not need to Judge the men and women of God He is anointed by God and the way that God uses Him is Powerful when your Judging someone especially someone God could be using then u have to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]answer[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] for it and even if God was not using Him and He made it all Up then He will have to answer for it dont judge let God do the Judging and He is fruitful so we judge by their fruits well He is fruitful ([/FONT]You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16)

 

[Elizabeth619]

I rebuke you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven. Luke 6:47
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. Matthew 7:2[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]you do not need to Judge the men and women of God He is anointed by God and the way that God uses Him is Powerful when your Judging someone especially someone God could be using then u have to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]answer[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] for it and even if God was not using Him and He made it all Up then He will have to answer for it dont judge let God do the Judging and He is fruitful so we judge by their fruits well He is fruitful ([/FONT]You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16)

Learn how to rebuke before you start rebuking. You cannot rebuke based on your own judgement.

We are to test the spirits to see if they're from God. Hinn has not passed the test. This has been confirmed by scripture.

We are to also expose evil. Hinn does not speak of God in the way the scripture says. To prevent others from following one who isn't of the Spirit we are to expose it as scripture tells us to do.

 

[onlinebuddy]

I rebuke you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven. Luke 6:47
For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. Matthew 7:2
you do not need to Judge the men and women of God He is anointed by God and the way that God uses Him is Powerful when your Judging someone especially someone God could be using then u have to answer for it and even if God was not using Him and He made it all Up then He will have to answer for it dont judge let God do the Judging and He is fruitful so we judge by their fruits well He is fruitful (You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16)

Anointedshepherd, You know Bible verses all right, but you are either confused as to what they mean, or you do not know how to apply them.

 

[peterT]

If there is no rapture then what do we make of Matthew 24:40-42, john 14:1-3, 1 thessalonians 4:15-17?

That is what some Christians call the rapture or the gathering, But it says Immediately after the tribulation, NOT before the tribulation (and the pre-tribulation doctrine is before)

But it says Immediately after the tribulation, then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, the Son of man coming in the clouds, he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds one shall be taken, and the other left.


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

[peterT]

Dose that count?...no that dose not count......I am not going to waste my time on you....you are one of those "spiritual bullies" who will push their opinions no matter what......good luck mate!!

You’re upset because I just pulled down one of your idols “Perry Stone”

 

[wdeaton65]

I rebuke you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven. Luke 6:47
For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. Matthew 7:2
you do not need to Judge the men and women of God He is anointed by God and the way that God uses Him is Powerful when your Judging someone especially someone God could be using then u have to answer for it and even if God was not using Him and He made it all Up then He will have to answer for it dont judge let God do the Judging and He is fruitful so we judge by their fruits well He is fruitful (You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16)

Mt 5,6, and 7 Yeshua is teaching us to judge the difference between light and darkness which gate and so on Mt. 7;1 is saying condemn not less you be condemned. Not judge not. You will know them by there fruits not because they are a fruit BENNY HINN wach job that he is. You do not want to be the one Yeshua is talking about in Mt. 7;23 These are people with out instructions. ANOMEA Read all of Mt. 23... Yeshua in the temple says it all nothing has changed sinse HE said these things to the very people who thought they had it all right. Run from these false teachers like benny hinn

 

[Abiding]

He also said the hireling would run off when the wolf comes after the flock.
This thing about being quiet when the wolf comes and let God take care of it
is both false and unloving.

 

[carey]

Thank you for this, I am still trying to make up my mind, there are so many compelling arguments on both side's, but like you said this clearly states, at the end of the tribulation

That is what some Christians call the rapture or the gathering, But it says Immediately after the tribulation, NOT before the tribulation (and the pre-tribulation doctrine is before)

But it says Immediately after the tribulation, then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, the Son of man coming in the clouds, he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds one shall be taken, and the other left.


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

[danschance]

Since everyone knows he's a fraud, why do they keep him on tbn? The first time I saw him he gave me the creeps

Maybe because he brings in the cash. He outs on a good show, albeit fake.

 

[Graybeard]

You’re upset because I just pulled down one of your idols “Perry Stone”

Idol??..HA...your words not mine..you do a quick google and presto!...you now know the mans heart.
I'm upset because I did not heed Scripture when it says "do not cast your pearls before swine"

I'll say it again.......you are just a pride puffed up spiritual bully!

 

[Graybeard]

I just need to ask whom is your mediator? Did God appoint anyone else to be between you and God besides Christ?
I listen to all but everything I listen to is sifted through my hidden person of my new heart in Christ Jesus by the resurrection of and then one will know truth and be set free between them and Christ, seeing Father as Father is. Being taught to be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove

Whom is my mediator?...do I really need to answer that?... you know very well who our mediator is, just as you say how you "sift" what you listen to so do I!...and what were we given teachers for?

 

[peterT]

I'm upset because I did not heed Scripture when it says "do not cast your pearls before swine"

!

Then why are you still doing it then bro.

I'll say it again.......you are just a pride puffed up spiritual bully!

Maybe you are upset because I am preaching the gospel with all boldness and being bold as a lion and you thing its being a bully and puffed up,? especially when it contradicts your doctrine and pulls down you idol “Perry Stone” and exposes your pre-trib thing as rubbish and unsound and with no scripture. No wonder you are upset

Bro I would be upset too if someone chopped my doctrine into little bits

Your words sound way more puffed up with spiritual pride and bullying than mine

 

[Graybeard]

Then why are you still doing it then bro.



Maybe you are upset because I am preaching the gospel with all boldness and being bold as a lion and you thing its being a bully and puffed up,? especially when it contradicts your doctrine and pulls down you idol “Perry Stone” and exposes your pre-trib thing as rubbish and unsound and with no scripture. No wonder you are upset

Bro I would be upset too if someone chopped my doctrine into little bits

Your words sound way more puffed up with spiritual pride and bullying than mine

oh little peter...you don't even know the meaning of the scripture about casting ones pearls........anyway, never had the time for bullies so enjoy yourself...scorn and scoff all you want I'm done with your arrogance....but hey!....still love ya!

 

[peterT]

oh little peter...you don't even know the meaning of the scripture about casting ones pearls........anyway, never had the time for bullies so enjoy yourself...scorn and scoff all you want I'm done with your arrogance....but hey!....still love ya!

Ha bro, I am mocking a little yes, a little bit like Elijah mocking the 450 prophets of baal.

Maybe were you live you’re not used to Christians with a bit of fire so you think its arrogance maybe you are not used to the salt .

Maybe you are not used to Christians that don’t do as you tell them, and you have no authority over them, and they don’t conform to your norm, so you call them swine.

 

[homwardbound]

I'm sorry homeward, but I honestly don't see how this relates to the rapture? Please remember I'm really not too smart, scholarly speaking, if you could explain in a simple way I'd appreciate it, thanks

I understand this thread is about false teaching(s) and therefore truth need be spoken and then everyone has the chance to come even closer to God the Father seperating truth from error. As we all speak here about BH being in bondage and telling lies we all have done the same somewhere along in life in times past and some are still doing this. God's Gospel is to bring you into him, by and through the Son Jesus.
So Carey do you beleive as I think all believe this that truth will set one free
Therefore you all, if anyone reading this here are in bondage then truth has not set you free, and there might be error in your truth, and therefore one might need to re-think thier truth, for he came to set the captives free
Luke 4:18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
It is up to each of us to ask God in us to seperate truth from error. All religions have truth set in them and errors as well. We are Gold digging and as I have said before CHRIST is being preached I will glory in both whether the preaching is of self gain or in sincerity, seek Gold nuggets and have seen people come to God through BH. Now whether BH will get credit or not from God or not is between BH and God. This is the same for every person

 

[annointedshepherd]

or do you see him as the circus freak that he obviously is << Judgement is what she posted that what i am responding too we dont need to judge but to encourage one another and benny hinn is fruitful and thats what we are to judge one another by so why are we calling a man a circus freak when God is using Him to reach many people

 

[annointedshepherd]

im rebuking her for passing judgement > or do you see him as the circus freak that he obviously is << Judgement is what she posted that what i am responding too we dont need to judge but to encourage one another and benny hinn is fruitful and thats what we are to judge one another by so why are we calling a man a circus freak when God is using Him to reach many people

 

[homwardbound]

I rebuke you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven. Luke 6:47
For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. Matthew 7:2
you do not need to Judge the men and women of God He is anointed by God and the way that God uses Him is Powerful when your Judging someone especially someone God could be using then u have to answer for it and even if God was not using Him and He made it all Up then He will have to answer for it dont judge let God do the Judging and He is fruitful so we judge by their fruits well He is fruitful (You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16)

I like what you said here, and is truth to a point. You spoke from the Old Covenant under Law. All Matt, Mark, Luke and John are under Old Covenant Law everything prior to the death of Christ is Christ fulfilling Law and Prophets Matt 5:17 then at the cross he yelled out it is finished John 19:30, this at the death brought in a new Covenant Hebrews 9:15-17 that the whole world is in today. Now this is not done with the purpose of taking advantage of. It is done for our sakes since not one can fullfill the Law never could the only way anyonme could was by and through Faith (beleif) in God
So under the Old Law yes one must or else and no one can do the Law 100%
Under the New Covenant, We Love because we are loved 100% it is a response to God
under Old we loved to get loved a lot of stress trying to get God to respond to us
Under new Covenant we Forgive 100% because we are forgiven in this new Covenant, a response to God saying Thank you
Under Old Covenant we had to forgive to get forgiven, back under stress, and no rest trying again to get God to respond to us
Under the new Covenant we love God's way because God first loved us and God's way is found in 1Cor 13 so another response to God in thanks and praise entering his courts with praises and thanksgiviing
Under the New Covenant we have a new Priesthood Jesus was from the tribe of Judah
Under the Old Covenant under Law that no one could ever fill and had to continue in sacrifices to get sins comitted transferred from them by the shedding of animal blood to that animal
Under the New Covenant we are forgiven and no more sacrifice for any more forgiveness, we are raised from being dead in our own sins and tresspasses unto new life, and are set free to love all as God loves us, but we can't do this until we see this love of God lavished on us through the cross of Christ
Old and New which do you choose?