Bestseller Book.....New Age Versions of the Bible

[Willie-T]

God hasn't made it obvious how to test which translation to use... or if there's a test laying around, I haven't seen it...

there are different copies of Hebrew and Greek around... some will line up with several translations.

good! it sounds like we're looking at some tests here... now, before we can say a verse has been eliminated, we need to know for sure that the verse was there in the first place. We can say a translator corrupted a passage after we know for sure what the text of the passage is supposed to say. We can know if the devil's name is wrongfully added after we have seen the right text with his name not there. It's circular.

Unfortunately, that kind of thing usually seems to assume that the correct original is the translation called the KJV.

 

[Jason0047]

What is astounding is that people seem to almost hate the KJV or even the idea that there is a perfect Word of God for our day. It doesn't really have anything to do with the message. I have a problem with many of the false messages being pushed in many important points within Modern Translations.. This is not really an issue with the KJV, though.

 

[Nick01]

And around we go again..... Jason, have you had time to think about my last post yet, and consider making a response? I'm much more interested in actually discussing the texts than throwing the same general assertions around yet again.

 

[Jason0047]

I am afraid you are going to have to find someone else to discuss this topic with you, my friend. I feel at this time that it would not be edifying or helpful to discuss this with folks here. I have provided many observable evidences that back up my belief on this point before in the past here at CC. I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot force anyone to drink of it. Going over the same old arguments again and again is not going to help. I stated my reasons already and I stand by them. You either believe them or you don't. It's as simple as that.

Anyways, may God bless you.
And please be well.

 

[Jason0047]

Now, I do remember saying before in our past KJV vs. Modern Translation discussions that I was going to prove the KJV by reason of Sola Scriptura. So I written a Defense for Sola Scriptura with a later intent to defend the KJV by it. God was telling me to not to create the second companion thread that would defend the KJV using Sola Scriptura. But if you were to just look at the points I made about Sola Scriptura, you can see the logic is already built within the points I made that defend the KJV (Even though I did not bring up the KJV within the thread).

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100040-biblical-defense-sola-scriptura.html

 

[skylove7]

Hi Jason! God bless you friend! Just saying...I was born and saved under King James Version. Shed many tears on the pages of King James scriptures,...tears of joy and sorrow. Its everyone's right to read what they like, but I have known and loved KJV and honestly,...It is more my comfort zone...I should say. God bless you all! Love, Pen

 

[Nick01]

That's a shame, Jason. As I've said to you before, I am an ardent defender of Sola Scriptura, but I don't agree that doctrine is at all compromised by having multiple English translations of God's word, or by where one comes down on the idea of any special and providential preservation of an English language Bible on God's part.

I've attempted in this thread to answer your specific objections (the specific one we finished on being what is meant by Godhead, and why modern translations use of 'divine nature' or similar is in keeping with the KJV's use of Godhead, and the change does not at all undermine the intent and meaning of the texts, particularly Colossians), so I'm a little sad you feel the need to tap out at this stage. I'm certainly not afraid of being the horse, but I just disagree with your specific choice of watering hole (to carry the analogy on overlong ) I was hoping you might point to specific comparisons in Riplinger's book you found illuminating so we could discuss them specifically, but perhaps another time.

I'm also sad that you still seem to think the modern translations are somehow still deliberately trying to 'push' unbiblical messages in their rendering of the text- I was hoping at this point that we could at least agree the changes are made on the basis of what people believe the original biblical texts to actually say, and not out of an attempt to undermine that text.

But I'm glad we managed to keep it civil and thoughtful at some levels. Thanks for that chat - feel free to chat in PM at any stage if you prefer. Blessings, stay well.

 

[Jason0047]

Hi Jason! God bless you friend! Just saying...I was born and saved under King James Version. Shed many tears on the pages of King James scriptures,...tears of joy and sorrow. Its everyone's right to read what they like, but I have known and loved KJV and honestly,...It is more my comfort zone...I should say. God bless you all! Love, Pen

Thanks Skylove. I am so happy to hear that you built your relationship with God using the KJV. I believe the KJV is the divinely inspired perfect Word of God for our world language today (In a long line of perfect Words in different languages thru out History). I look at Modern Translations as both good and bad. They are good because they can help update the 1600's English (i.e. Early Modern English) to our English (i.e. Late Modern English) because most people have a hard time with certain phrases and words used back then. However, I also feel Modern Translations can also be bad, too. For they can make people question whether or not God had preserved His Word for our day perfectly when not all translations say the same thing. It makes one think there is no real perfect Word or no sure Word. Which can be potentially disasterous to someone's faith (or in them trusting God's Word). Then there is the changing of so many good passages that God wants us to know the Truth about that are in the KJV, too (That are not in the Modern Translations); And then there is the deliberate corruptions of the devil's name placed within these Newer Translations, too. So yes, I am happy. Happy the Lord has chosen you to understand and simply trust God's Word for our day.

May the Lord's love be with you always.

Sincerely,

~Jason.


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[Jason0047]

That's a shame, Jason. As I've said to you before, I am an ardent defender of Sola Scriptura, but I don't agree that doctrine is at all compromised by having multiple English translations of God's word, or by where one comes down on the idea of any special and providential preservation of an English language Bible on God's part.

I've attempted in this thread to answer your specific objections (the specific one we finished on being what is meant by Godhead, and why modern translations use of 'divine nature' or similar is in keeping with the KJV's use of Godhead, and the change does not at all undermine the intent and meaning of the texts, particularly Colossians), so I'm a little sad you feel the need to tap out at this stage. I'm certainly not afraid of being the horse, but I just disagree with your specific choice of watering hole (to carry the analogy on overlong ) I was hoping you might point to specific comparisons in Riplinger's book you found illuminating so we could discuss them specifically, but perhaps another time.

I'm also sad that you still seem to think the modern translations are somehow still deliberately trying to 'push' unbiblical messages in their rendering of the text- I was hoping at this point that we could at least agree the changes are made on the basis of what people believe the original biblical texts to actually say, and not out of an attempt to undermine that text.

But I'm glad we managed to keep it civil and thoughtful at some levels. Thanks for that chat - feel free to chat in PM at any stage if you prefer. Blessings, stay well.

Thanks Nick.

I appreciate that you understand that I do not want to currently debate this topic anymore at this time. While I may feel passionate about my belief on this matter, I do feel it is best to share in the love of Christ that we have as brothers for a while instead. That to me is more important at this moment with my walk with the Lord.

Please be well.
And may God bless you.

Sincerely,

~Jason.


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[longtrekker]

Now, I do remember saying before in our past KJV vs. Modern Translation discussions that I was going to prove the KJV by reason of Sola Scriptura. So I written a Defense for Sola Scriptura with a later intent to defend the KJV by it. God was telling me to not to create the second companion thread that would defend the KJV using Sola Scriptura. But if you were to just look at the points I made about Sola Scriptura, you can see the logic is already built within the points I made that defend the KJV (Even though I did not bring up the KJV within the thread).


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100040-biblical-defense-sola-scriptura.html

In checking your Sola Scriptura and it's referencing other books not included...would that relate/include to 'apocryphal' books?

 

[dcontroversal]

What is astounding is that people seem to almost hate the KJV or even the idea that there is a perfect Word of God for our day. It doesn't really have anything to do with the message. I have a problem with many of the false messages being pushed in many important points within Modern Translations.. This is not really an issue with the KJV, though.

What is equally disturbing are the ones who go to seed on a particular translation/transliteration while rejecting the history of said translation/transliteration as it ends up becoming an idol....and then the people who stand on proven history and the historicity of the KING JIM get accused of hating it...even though many of US who will not deny the history of it use it regularly.....!

 

[Jason0047]

In checking your Sola Scriptura and it's referencing other books not included...would that relate/include to 'apocryphal' books?

I believe the 1769 (1611) was God's final intended result or Word for our day. For it is the version that we use today. The English language had reached a proper level for the standardization of spelling and the printing process had become more perfected at this point, as well. I believe the Christians back then knew the Apocrypha was merely a Historical uninspired addition to God's Word. Sort of like how the notes in a Study Bible today are not considered inspired by believers today. I know you believe the Apocrypha, but there are things within them that I believe that are not consistent with God's Word.

 

[longtrekker]

Actually i don't believe the Apocrypha ( i don't know enough about it lol) - but i do appreciate the rest of your missive.

 

[skylove7]

God bless you friends! Please forgive me if I may say one little thing. I'm not a scholar, or a genius here lol...all I know is one thing, and one thing only. That over hundreds of years now, the King James scriptures have saved countless amounts of souls! If you prefer the James, or not,...whats joy in my heart, is all the souls saved,...and as my grandma used to say " Ain't nothing wrong about that!" Lol...Praise you Jesus! Hallelujah.... God Bless you friends, have a beautiful day.

 

[Nick01]

I agree skylove - I just say the same about translations other than the KJV as well

 

[Jason0047]

Actually i don't believe the Apocrypha ( i don't know enough about it lol)

I was just getting the impression you were Catholic (And that all Catholics believed in that).

 

[Jason0047]

I believe people can be saved and or taught many great things by God with Modern Translations. There are many people in the world who speak different languages who do not use the KJV. I get that. My fiance lives in Brazil. But yet I also know that the Modern Translations are not 100% perfect and the KJV has proven itself time and again that it is a divinely inspired book (That is perfect and without error).

 

[Dan_473]

What is astounding is that people seem to almost hate the KJV or even the idea that there is a perfect Word of God for our day. It doesn't really have anything to do with the message. I have a problem with many of the false messages being pushed in many important points within Modern Translations.. This is not really an issue with the KJV, though.

yes, no reason to hate the kjv... it's one of the best translations around.

the question is whether there is a perfect word of God here on earth today as a physical book. Has God said what the test is for that book?

one person said 'seven years'... the kjv took seven years to translate...1604-1611... one problem I encountered is that no one seems to know what days of those years... if it's Jan of '04 and Dec of '11, then that's close to eight years...

 

[didymos]

...
the question is whether there is a perfect word of God here on earth today as a physical book...

There isn't. God's Word comes to us THROUGH scripture, after we've prayed for illumination of the Spirit.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant
—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

(2 Cor 3:6 / NIV)

 

[Dan_473]

I am afraid you are going to have to find someone else to discuss this topic with you, my friend. I feel at this time that it would not be edifying or helpful to discuss this with folks here. I have provided many observable evidences that back up my belief on this point before in the past here at CC. I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot force anyone to drink of it. Going over the same old arguments again and again is not going to help. I stated my reasons already and I stand by them. You either believe them or you don't. It's as simple as that.

Anyways, may God bless you.
And please be well.

If you know that God has said what the test is to show his perfect word, that would be very helpful.