BEWARE!

[ISeeYou]

Isn't this nice? lol

Yeah so is my outfit

 

[Brainfreeze]

…15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,…

John 14:15

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I already told you that I believe in Paul's teachings but that I don't need them for my salvation as our focus should be Yeshua... but you on the other hand my friend are not forthcoming with your answers

What I gathered from your response was Paul was contradicting himself, here is your response.

Originally Posted by Gandalf What law is Paul referring to? The Torah or the Tanakh? You see Paul kept two laws and normally when Paul is telling you about not keeping the law he is referring to Jewish law (Tanakh), but without understanding that I can give you evidence that Paul is contradicting himself because in one place he tells you to keep the law and here he tells you the law is not important.

 

[ISeeYou]

It's not an OSAS thread.

No, its supposed to be kick an apostle under the bus thread



Then run over him again and again.

 

[ISeeYou]

I'll stop that

 

[john832]

What I gathered from your response was Paul was contradicting himself, here is your response.

Originally Posted by Gandalf What law is Paul referring to? The Torah or the Tanakh? You see Paul kept two laws and normally when Paul is telling you about not keeping the law he is referring to Jewish law (Tanakh), but without understanding that I can give you evidence that Paul is contradicting himself because in one place he tells you to keep the law and here he tells you the law is not important.

This is the depth of your understanding? He said no such thing.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yeah so is my outfit

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No, its supposed to be kick an apostle under the bus thread

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Then run over him again and again.

Seems to me like a distract from what the Messiah said thread

As surely as YHWH lives I ask that you give me a full breakdown of Revelation 12:17 & Revelation 22:12-15; OR you cease to accuse me and proclaim that you will not breakdown and share the bread of the words of Messiah with those that seek Messiah, but rather you use Paul in a false manner to "defeat" Messiah, because if you ignore HIS WORDS AND USE another words as a counter in practice which is reality that is what is happening.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

and

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

 

[Gandalf]

What I gathered from your response was Paul was contradicting himself, here is your response.

Originally Posted by Gandalf What law is Paul referring to? The Torah or the Tanakh? You see Paul kept two laws and normally when Paul is telling you about not keeping the law he is referring to Jewish law (Tanakh), but without understanding that I can give you evidence that Paul is contradicting himself because in one place he tells you to keep the law and here he tells you the law is not important.

Like I said English is not my first language but from your comprehension I can gather that it is also not yours.

 

[ISeeYou]

I'll stop that

Forward to Hizi whose posts are far more distracting then a couple of pirctures

(although I loved all the large ones posted on the other thread)

I didnt want to say anything

 

[john832]

Like I said English is not my first language but from your comprehension I can gather that it is also not yours.

You have a way with words, my friend.

By the by, Gandalf, my friend, you do quite well with the English language.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So how is it you did not answer anything in my post but turn it around on me?





OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Quote one time where I said man was justified by works or that Paul didnt preach truth? (what I did say is that Paul like every other man that has ever lived made errors, and Yashua made no errors)

People misunderstand Paul and turn his words into licentiousness, for IT IS WRITTEN.

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

None can enter in on their own merits that is why it is written;

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Why is it that when I post the Messiah's words those taht accuse me will not breakdown HIS WORDS and throw out "justified by works" and "you dont believe Paul"

Do you believe the Messiah, I am beginning to think it is truly those who accuse with me that reject Scripture.

As surely as YHWH lives I ask that you give me a full breakdown of Revelation 12:17 & Revelation 22:12-15; OR you cease to accuse me and proclaim that you will not breakdown and share the bread of the words of Messiah with those that seek Messiah, but rather you use Paul in a false manner to "defeat" Messiah, because if you ignore HIS WORDS AND USE another words as a counter in practice which is reality that is what is happening.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

and

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Again, a simple yes or no answer to these 2 questions are required, do you believe 100% that these 2 statements are true?

Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth Do you believe the words of Jesus to be true when he said Paul was a chosen vessel by Him to preach the gospel to the Nations. Also, do you believe these words of Paul to be true in Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

 

[Brainfreeze]

What I gathered from your response was Paul was contradicting himself, here is your response.

Originally Posted by Gandalf What law is Paul referring to? The Torah or the Tanakh? You see Paul kept two laws and normally when Paul is telling you about not keeping the law he is referring to Jewish law (Tanakh), but without understanding that I can give you evidence that Paul is contradicting himself because in one place he tells you to keep the law and here he tells you the law is not important.

It's no contradiction ... Romans 6,7,8 goes over the transformation from living in the flesh to living and walking in the Holy Ghost. We can't nit pick verses on a descriptive subject, and call it contradiction, if one reads the scriptures " as a whole " and prays for the understanding, I'm sure God will give it to you...

 

[Richie_2uk]

Beware! Non-Pauline Christians are no Christians at all. They look like a lamb on the outside, but they speak with the mouth of a Dragon.

They deny the grace of the gospel in Jesus Christ by promoting salvation through the works of the law. Beware, they are working in these forums.

My Friend? Only now you how noticed this? People has been walking the earth the time of Jesus doing the same thing and God has been warning us even then. However, it is increasing even more now because we are living in the last days. and it will increase and increase even more before Jesus comes back.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yeah so is my outfit

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Forward to Hizi whose posts are far more distracting then a couple of pirctures

(although I loved all the large ones posted on the other thread)

I didnt want to say anything

Aww Hizi, such a nice pun on the Name Hizikyah (YHWH will prevail) so cutesy wootsy!

So will you feed me the bread of th words of Messiah in Revelation 12:17 & Revelation 22:12-15?

or do you refuse?

I am asking in sincerity and with a intent in my heart for loving Him and what He said? I would scrub your toilet for you to show you I would like to hear your FULL breakdown in this matter.

 

[ISeeYou]

No, its supposed to be kick an apostle under the bus thread

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Then run over him again and again.

Always reminds me of the verses their dead bodies in streets

Isaiah 51:23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.


Always reminds of that or,

Rev 11:8 Andtheir dead bodies shall liein the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Which is scriptural

 

[Hizikyah]

My Friend? Only now you how noticed this? People has been walking the earth the time of Jesus doing the same thing and God has been warning us even then. However, it is increasing even more now because we are living in the last days. and it will increase and increase even more before Jesus comes back.

Paul warned us of this;

2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."

"the mystery of iniquity is already working"

Wonder what iniquity is?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

My Friend? Only now you how noticed this? People has been walking the earth the time of Jesus doing the same thing and God has been warning us even then. However, it is increasing even more now because we are living in the last days. and it will increase and increase even more before Jesus comes back.

No I've seen it in other forums, just noticed it in these forums because I'm new here. Peace.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

the thing is my friend is doctrine does not measure ones faith and heart.

ISIS "warriors" (Read: Islamist terrorists) have faith and heart too. Is their doctrine correct?

 

[ISeeYou]

Who here honestly believes that Paul had an unclean spirit?

 

[Gandalf]

Who here honestly believes that Paul had an unclean spirit?

I never said that but my salvation is not dependant on Paul's doctrine but by following Yeshua the Messiah.

In my eyes Paul was also a vessel just like we are suppose to be.