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Here, at least, Paul is talking about them:
Rom 1:2 that he promised long ago by what his prophets said in the holy Scriptures.
Rom 15:4 And the Scriptures were written to teach and encourage us by giving us hope.
Rom 16:26 but now is publicly known. The everlasting God ordered that what the prophets wrote must be shown to the people of every nation to bring them to the obedience that is associated with faith.
2Ti 3:15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. They have the power to give you wisdom so that you can be saved through faith in Christ Jesus.
Rom 1:2 that he promised long ago by what his prophets said in the holy Scriptures.
Rom 15:4 And the Scriptures were written to teach and encourage us by giving us hope.
Rom 16:26 but now is publicly known. The everlasting God ordered that what the prophets wrote must be shown to the people of every nation to bring them to the obedience that is associated with faith.
2Ti 3:15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. They have the power to give you wisdom so that you can be saved through faith in Christ Jesus.
It has been brought to my attention that I was wrong on this.
Please accept my apologies.
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psychomom
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i'm late to the, er, party? 
please, can we think about one thing (asking again and again, sorry!)?
the Words of Christ...those red letters in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John...
it's not as though those four men were recording the events and when it came to
a quote from the Lord Jesus, He said, move over, Luke, I'll write this part.
does anyone understand what i'm saying?
we are trusting GOD with the Holy Spirit inspired record of Christ's life, death and resurrection.
the Words of Christ as recorded in the Gospels are precisely that--
recorded for us by someone else.
please, i ask respectfully, can Hizi or anyone else with this perspective explain this to me?
thank you so much. ♥
please, can we think about one thing (asking again and again, sorry!)?
the Words of Christ...those red letters in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John...
it's not as though those four men were recording the events and when it came to
a quote from the Lord Jesus, He said, move over, Luke, I'll write this part.
does anyone understand what i'm saying?
we are trusting GOD with the Holy Spirit inspired record of Christ's life, death and resurrection.
the Words of Christ as recorded in the Gospels are precisely that--
recorded for us by someone else.
please, i ask respectfully, can Hizi or anyone else with this perspective explain this to me?
thank you so much. ♥
I kind of had some scathing things to say that were semi-hidden in nice language. But I stopped. Because a person can be right theologically, theoretically and logically and be totally wrong just on the intent of their attitude.
Paul talks about this... lol (1 Corinthians 13)
((Hugs)) I most certainly do, my appologies to you as well Reborn I could have responded differently then I did. I have been a little irritated lately, so mine to yours.
Our God richly bless you by Christ Jesus our Lord, His Peace be to you,
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Karraster
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Put up or shut up is a rather popular saying in my part of the country. I have yet to see where Hiz said Paul was a fake, rather people who pit Paul against Messiah do not understand Paul. Oh the drama.....
And so here we go again, a 'lawlessness' practicing generation. That is why the church remain divided by people like you and others who agree with you, until today which consist of multiple denominations.
What it means for JESUS to say this that;
"Who is my mother, brother and sister? They are those who obey GOD do his will."
Why is the New Covenant written to the born again from above for?
Didn't JESUS in Matthew chapter 7, said that;
"Everyone who hears these words/teachings of mine and does/practice them ..................................................."
And;
"My sheep hear my voice and they follow Me ........................................................................."
2 John verse 9;
"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of CHRIST, does not have GOD. ......................"
Yes indeed we are non-Pauline Christians and we don't for sure recognize nor welcome her followers. She is surely an alien to us, 'sorry you have the wrong number'.
The only person we know and recognize is Apostle Paul, an instrument of LORD JESUS CHRIST, chosen to minster onto the scattered Jews and Gentiles.
Wake up child, for the dragon of deception is in you and those who agree with you, if you together continue in the flesh/carnality and it's fruits.
You actually deny the complete work of the New Covenant of CHRIST, in an incomplete testimonial faith. It is not only
'the grace of the Gospel in JESUS CHRIST, but 'Grace and Truth'
We are not promoting salvation through the works of the Law of Moses of the Old Covenant, which Apostle Paul already corrected the new convert Jews in the church, not to introduce them again onto their liberated new life.
But we remind and stir up memory of believers of CHRIST, the Law of the SPIRIT of liberty in and through CHRIST, has just and fairly established as the New Covenant for the churches to 'abide' and 'bear fruits', that which from the beginning these 'every word of Grace and Truth proceeded out of HIS mouth' and they are 'spirit' and 'life', to those who does/practice them.
We are also well aware of yous/self working in this forum and have an itching ears in pleasing men, but we only testify pleasing GOD, HIS sound doctrine Holy Bible.
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That doesnt make sense though,
Theres one that rejects the Lords apostle Paul but the church is divided in the 20th century by the other which doesnt reject Paul along with any others like him that dont reject Paul?
I dont understand that reasoning at all.
Or this...
Yes indeed we are non-Pauline Christians and we don't for sure recognize nor welcome her followers. She is surely an alien to us, 'sorry you have the wrong number'.
I dont even know what you could possibly mean by the sentence alone
Then here...
The only person we know and recognize is Apostle Paul, an instrument of LORD JESUS CHRIST, chosen to minster onto the scattered Jews and Gentiles.
But above it you stated you were non Pauline, but here you something else?
Then this
Wake up child, for the dragon of deception is in you and those who agree with you, if you together continue in the flesh/carnality and it's fruits.
I dont understand your doctrine, anyone who believes that the Lord had sent Paul has a dragon of deception in them?
And then this one
"You actually deny the complete work of the New Covenant of CHRIST, in an incomplete testimonial faith. It is not only
'the grace of the Gospel in JESUS CHRIST, but 'Grace and Truth'
Beleiving that Jesus Christ sent the apostle Paul is denying the finished work Jesus Christ (who was full of grace and truth) And is yet an incomplete testimonial faith?
I dont know what that last sentence even means as stated.
The rest I couldnt make out, it was jumbled together and went into how you please God more where those who dont reject Paul are just pleasing men.
Did I at least get that last part right?
Theres one that rejects the Lords apostle Paul but the church is divided in the 20th century by the other which doesnt reject Paul along with any others like him that dont reject Paul?
I dont understand that reasoning at all.
Or this...
Yes indeed we are non-Pauline Christians and we don't for sure recognize nor welcome her followers. She is surely an alien to us, 'sorry you have the wrong number'.
I dont even know what you could possibly mean by the sentence alone
Then here...
The only person we know and recognize is Apostle Paul, an instrument of LORD JESUS CHRIST, chosen to minster onto the scattered Jews and Gentiles.
But above it you stated you were non Pauline, but here you something else?
Then this
Wake up child, for the dragon of deception is in you and those who agree with you, if you together continue in the flesh/carnality and it's fruits.
I dont understand your doctrine, anyone who believes that the Lord had sent Paul has a dragon of deception in them?
And then this one
"You actually deny the complete work of the New Covenant of CHRIST, in an incomplete testimonial faith. It is not only
'the grace of the Gospel in JESUS CHRIST, but 'Grace and Truth'
Beleiving that Jesus Christ sent the apostle Paul is denying the finished work Jesus Christ (who was full of grace and truth) And is yet an incomplete testimonial faith?
I dont know what that last sentence even means as stated.
The rest I couldnt make out, it was jumbled together and went into how you please God more where those who dont reject Paul are just pleasing men.
Did I at least get that last part right?
Then i may consider you as an outsider, who is unable to make anything out. Anyway if this is not for you, then surely it is not for you, because it is hidden to thy understanding.
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Kerry
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JesusistheChrist
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Whereas you and others are saying "Pauline" as in "followers of Paul", he's apparently being sarcastic by referring to "Pauline" as a woman's name.
Anyhow, almost everybody here could use a refresher course in how to speak to others.
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Kerry
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I know I've been brushing up on my Hebrew as it seems to the mainstay here.
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JesusistheChrist
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I'm assuming (I could be mistaken) that there's some sarcasm in that response as well. In any case, God has not only called people from "every tongue", but I trust that He understands "every tongue" as well:
Revelation chapter 5
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
[9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Anyhow, there's certainly nothing wrong with studying the underlying Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek of the scriptures, but whatever truths are obtained in doing so translate into other languages as well. As one who has cast out demons in JESUS' NAME a vast multitude of times, I can assure you that demons understand different languages, too. IOW, I've never once had to cast out a demon in YESHUA'S NAME, but I'm quite confident that they are subject to that use of His name as well.
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JesusistheChrist
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That's not what he said. IOW, he's accusing some people here (and elsewhere) of being "lawless" in that they preach a "grace" which is separated from "truth" and/or "obedience" and then identifying the same as what he believes to be the true cause of division in the church.
Again, he's playing with your use of the word "Pauline".ISeeYou said:
ISeeYou said:
An apparent allusion back to InSpiritInTruth's OP where he said:
IOW, he was seeking to "turn the tables" on InSpiritInTruth by suggesting that the ones who are truly "speaking with the mouth of a dragon" are those who teach a "grace" apart from "truth" and/or "obedience". Personally, I agree with him on this point in that that type of "grace" is really a "DIS-grace"...literally. IOW, God's "grace" enables us to OBEY HIM and His commandments.InSpiritInTruth said:
Again, he's referring to "grace and truth" because God's "grace" enables us TO OBEY his "truths". As such, those who preach what has been called "greasy grace" or "sloppy agape" or those who teach "grace" as the big "cover up" are teaching that which is "incomplete". Again, "grace" is an ENABLER in that it gives us the needed power TO OBEY. That's his point.ISeeYou said:
He didn't say that he "rejects Paul". Instead, he believes that Paul taught OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S COMMANDMENTS VIA GRACE.ISeeYou said:
Anyhow, I don't normally seek to answer for others, but, in this particular case, I'm quite confident that I properly responded on his behalf. If not, then I'm sure that he'll correct me.
Thank you dearly beloved, these are for you and others whose eyes and ears are open to understand. i am not accusing but 'reminding' and 'stirring up of memory' about all that is clearly written and taught by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, that, 'man shall not live on bread alone but by the every word that proceeded out of the mouth of GOD'.
HIS every word is not a teddy bear to play with. HE means business and HE display them in the life of JESUS of Nazareth and in laying down HIS life and HIS chosen instrument's, in order to complete the New Covenant and gave for all of us to 'abide' and 'bear fruits' and also our fruits must 'abide'.
If in ignorant, someone boldly accuse others falsely, then it is a deviation deception to the lambs and sheep who are witnessing not only 'Grace' proclamation and welcoming others and together, also making them fit for hell as well, in the future, example, as the OSAS group proclamation.
We are called to step up, also in helping them in their stubborn ignorance, like the regeneration of the LORD's days Pharisees, not to forget the other 'every word' written as 'Truth'. Holding on to one word all thier lives and ignoring the others is stubborn and hardheaded's deception, continuing failure to listen to HIS voice in 'reminder' and 'stirring up of memory, not to at all forget, that sadly also working in other who are weak, in influence.
You did not defend me nor supported me but your similar knowledge understanding faith, standing 'unified' also for the written 'Truth'. You fight a good fight in capturing people's thoughts using GOD's word in complete sound doctrine knowledge to live to tell the 'Truth' and not partial, deceiving one's 'self' and others and 'soon these both will meet a ditch that they have blindly fallen into'.
When Apostle Paul was preparing young Timothy, what was he mentioning about the church and what to watch out for among them? And so learn what Apostle Paul instructed him to respond to them. Will these love him or hate him for acting Apostle Paul's instructions?
These are the same continuing 'itching ears' dogs who attack the LORD Himself who have instructed them and written them for us to witness and imitate.
So do we desire, the favor of men in pleasing men or the favor of GOD in pleasing GOD in honor to HIS MESSIAH?
Stop!, playing games with not only the, I AM that I AM is a loving GOD but also the'consuming fire' of all men and their kind.
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Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I stand by what I said. And whether or not one believes a lie out of ignorance, or out of just believing wrong teachings, a lie is still a lie, and has no place in the Truth.
Believing in the words of God (including those given to Paul) is also believing in the Truth.
Yeah, "mine understanding" is porbably unfruitful because Im not initiated into this inner circle of things
Its way too complicated for me