bible interpretation

[Jeff_56]

Seeing how the Bible is called "The Word of God" it should actually be a no brainer on the authority of Scripture.

this is correct. those who trust in man's flesh/ brain/ deceitful demonic doctrines / whether demonic or human in origin and power

do not like the power of Yahweh, the blood of Yahshua, or the Truth of Scripture because it exposes their

utter lostness and if nothing else they're too embarrassed (stupid , eh?) to receive eternal life by admitting their
error and sin and

simply trusting God .

 

[fordman]

The bottom line on interpretation of the Bible is reliance upon the Holy Spirit. If you pray earnestly for guidance then God WILL guide you in the area of Biblical interpretation. And God WILL show you Biblical truth.

Is that right???? Well.. something you may not know, but the word "truth" is used several times in the New Testament. However, the plural version of the word "truth" never appears in Scripture. Therefore, there can only be one Truth. So how can there be over 30,000 non-Catholic Christian denominations all claiming to have the "Truth" (i.e., the correct interpretation of the Bible)? For that matter, aren't ALL non-Catholic Christians as individuals claiming "infallibility" when it comes to interpreting the Bible? Catholics only believe in the infallibility of the Papacy as an office. Which is more believable - one office holding infallibility or 400 million non-Catholic Christians who can't agree on the interpretation of Scripture all claiming "infallibility?" When it comes to interpreting Scripture, individual non-Catholic Christians like yourself claim the same infallibility as the Papacy. If one were to put two persons of the "same" non-Catholic Christian denomination (i.e., two Presybterians, two Lutherans, two Baptists, etc.) in separate rooms with a Bible and a notepad and ask them to write down their "interpretation" of the Bible, passage for passage, shouldn't they then produce the exact same interpretation? If they are as you say "pray earnestly for guidance" then "God WILL show you Biblical truth" or are guided by the Holy Spirit as Scripture states, the answer should be "Yes." But would that really happen? History has shown that the answer is "No." Now, in the case of Catholics, the Church which Christ founded and is with forever (Matthew 28:20) interprets the Bible, as guided by the Holy Spirit, (Mark 13:11) for the "sheep" (the faithful). The Church (not individuals) interpret Scripture. In Catholicism, Scripture is there for meditation, prayer and inspiration, not for individual interpretation to formulate doctrine or dogma.

So sorry... the true bottom line is your therory just dosen't hold water.


Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.

 

[Jeff_56]

TELL RoboOP ! this has gone on too long. it's still strongly promoting heresy, and won't stop.

 

[fordman]

Where else does truth come from fordman?

Well my man.... the Bible Itself states that their are "oral" teachings and traditions that are to be carried on to the present-day (2 Thess. 2:15; 1 Cor. 11:2; 2 Tim. 2:2; Romans 10:17; 1 Peter 1:24-25). These teachings are what the Catholic Church considers "Sacred Apostolic Tradition." This type of "Tradition" never changes because it was passed down by the Apostles themselves. It is not the same as the man-made traditions condemned in Scripture. The man-made traditions condemned in Scripture were those of the Jewish Pharisees. In fact, as Christians, we are suppose to disassociate ourselves from persons who do not follow Apostolic Tradition (2 Thess. 3:6). If oral tradition is not to be followed, why did St. Paul state Christ said something that is not recorded in the Gospels (Acts 20:35)? St. Paul must have "heard" this saying, not read it from any Gospel or "Scripture," thereby, proving that some things Christ said were not recorded in the Gospels (John 21:25) and were passed on orally among His disciples instead, but were just as valid as anything written since St. Paul himself used one of these oral passages in one of his own epistles.

Futhermore, you should ask yourself.... Did the early Christians have bibles as we know it? No! The bible as a whole was not compiled until the late 4th century and then it was compiled by a Catholic saint (St.Jerome) at the request of a Catholic pope (St.Damasus I). So I ask you KVJ1611, how were the early Christians saved if they did not posses the entire written "Word of God" to follow His teachings? Well, I'll tell ya....naturally, they were the Body If Christ and were taught through "Oral" teachings by the church, not writings!!

So... to answer your question, from Sacred Scripture and Sacred Apostolic Tradition.



Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.

 

[fordman]

Seeing how the Bible is called "The Word of God" it should actually be a no brainer on the authority of Scripture.

And who was it that compiled the bible ??? I know!!! I know!!! The bible as a whole was compiled in the late 4th century and then it was compiled by a Catholic saint (St.Jerome) at the request of a Catholic pope (St.Damasus I).

Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.

 

[ChristInUs]

Paul the Apostle taught that the preaching of the gospel power of God. What is the gospel.
Romans 1:9
9 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 1: 17

[/FONT]17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2 Corinthians 4:3

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

Galatians 1:5-7


5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

The Gospel is Christ and Him crucified and not law keeping or Daniel fast keeping or anything we can do.

 

[ChristInUs]

Just saying how do you go to a pagan city and start a church and call it your works?

 

[fordman]

Just saying how do you go to a pagan city and start a church and call it your works?

During the Reformation, did the Protestants "re-evaluate" all the deutero-canonical and apocryphal Christian writings such as the Gospel of St. James, the Acts of St. Paul, the Apocalypse of St. Peter, the Gospel of St. Mary Magdalene, the Gospel of St. Thomas and the myriad of other writings from the first and second centuries of the Christianity? No. The Protestants accepted the New Testament as defined by the Catholic Church in the late 4th century. Why accept the Canon as defined and preserved by the Catholic Church yet not accept the other teachings of this same Church?

With that being said, I'd like to ask you, how can there be over 30,000 plus non-Catholic Christian denominations all claiming to have the "Truth" (i.e., the correct interpretation of the Bible)?


Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.

 

[ChristInUs]

During the Reformation, did the Protestants "re-evaluate" all the deutero-canonical and apocryphal Christian writings such as the Gospel of St. James, the Acts of St. Paul, the Apocalypse of St. Peter, the Gospel of St. Mary Magdalene, the Gospel of St. Thomas and the myriad of other writings from the first and second centuries of the Christianity? No. The Protestants accepted the New Testament as defined by the Catholic Church in the late 4th century. Why accept the Canon as defined and preserved by the Catholic Church yet not accept the other teachings of this same Church?

With that being said, I'd like to ask you, how can there be over 30,000 plus non-Catholic Christian denominations all claiming to have the "Truth" (i.e., the correct interpretation of the Bible)?


Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.

The Catholic Church did determine which books would be in the cannon. But what book did David have or for that matter which one did Abraham have?

 

[Jeff_56]

I guess you missed the memo.

Yahweh watched over His Word, regardless of the rcc hypocrisy,

just like He watched over the food supply when He prepared pharoah(heathen) to do His bidding in spite of himself and his religion that could not save anyone.

likewise the rcc cannot save anyone, is not in Christ Jesus, is heathen/ pagan/ and demonic without any doubt.

Yahweh can and could use it just like He can and does use everything and everyone even the heretics as
Yahweh pleases.

It only takes a reading of 2 chapters of Scripture with prayer to Yahweh in Yahshua to find out the complete and utter error of the rcc, Yahweh willing. (Yahweh shows mercy on who He choses to have mercy, and Yahweh hardens whoever He choses to harden(their heart so they don't repent) ).....

 

[mikeuk]

Jeff and others retreating back to the forum comfort zone. **yawn **

Since they are wholly unable to answer the question posed by the thread - that is the massively different PROTESTANT interpretations of scripture on which none of them can agree on any material matter of doctrine, proving sola scriptura is not enough, else why do they not all agree?

So instead of answering that question, or even attempting an answer, which is an all Protestant problem , they attack RCC which is not the subject of the thread using the usual mixture of mythical accusations and misinterpretations. But then such as Jeff seem incapable of anything else.

For those interested the thread has already been answered - Luther indeed recognised the problem and monster he created by removing authority from doctrinal interpretation, so everyone then made up their own version becoming as Luthrer said " pope" themselves, resulting in tens of thousands of denominational fractured, and even more non denominationals, most of which bust be heresy since they believe in a hoard of opposite things when the Holy Spirit has but one truth.
Read Luther's quotes I referenced above, concluding in his later life that a return to the catholic councils was the only way back. But I doubt if most know that !

I guess you missed the memo.

Yahweh watched over His Word, regardless of the rcc hypocrisy,

just like He watched over the food supply when He prepared pharoah(heathen) to do His bidding in spite of himself and his religion that could not save anyone.

likewise the rcc cannot save anyone, is not in Christ Jesus, is heathen/ pagan/ and demonic without any doubt.

Yahweh can and could use it just like He can and does use everything and everyone even the heretics as
Yahweh pleases.

It only takes a reading of 2 chapters of Scripture with prayer to Yahweh in Yahshua to find out the complete and utter error of the rcc, Yahweh willing. (Yahweh shows mercy on who He choses to have mercy, and Yahweh hardens whoever He choses to harden(their heart so they don't repent) ).....

 

[VioletReigns]

TELL RoboOP ! this has gone on too long. it's still strongly promoting heresy, and won't stop.

To report something, go to the bottom of the specific post you want to report and where it says: Blog this Post you will see first a black star and then a black triangle with an exclamation point in it. The star is for giving reputation, but if you click on the triangle, you can report a post and give your explanation why.

 

[ChristInUs]

I guess you missed the memo.

Yahweh watched over His Word, regardless of the rcc hypocrisy,

just like He watched over the food supply when He prepared pharoah(heathen) to do His bidding in spite of himself and his religion that could not save anyone.

likewise the rcc cannot save anyone, is not in Christ Jesus, is heathen/ pagan/ and demonic without any doubt.

Yahweh can and could use it just like He can and does use everything and everyone even the heretics as
Yahweh pleases.

It only takes a reading of 2 chapters of Scripture with prayer to Yahweh in Yahshua to find out the complete and utter error of the rcc, Yahweh willing. (Yahweh shows mercy on who He choses to have mercy, and Yahweh hardens whoever He choses to harden(their heart so they don't repent) ).....

What if we didn't have the bible, Abraham didn't nor did Issac nor Jacob. HMMM where did they found their faith?

 

[Ugly]

To report something, go to the bottom of the specific post you want to report and where it says: Blog this Post you will see first a black star and then a black triangle with an exclamation point in it. The star is for giving reputation, but if you click on the triangle, you can report a post and give your explanation why.

What Violet says is true, but keep in mind that reporting posts have to be based off of actual rule violations, not because someone disagrees with you. The majority of reports go ignored because people do not have valid reasons, just personal ones.

 

[ChristInUs]

What Violet says is true, but keep in mind that reporting posts have to be based off of actual rule violations, not because someone disagrees with you. The majority of reports go ignored because people do not have valid reasons, just personal ones.

The POLICE, I'm Skeered.

 

[Ugly]

The POLICE, I'm Skeered.

Sarcasm and a disrespect for rules you agree to, and, technically, took an oath to. Is that part of Christ being in you? To mock your own word and put down others for calling you out on it?
Especially in light of the fact that i took no sides in this debate, but merely informed the correct way to use the report system. So, naturally, you would feel a need to take a personal jab at me. Because that is how Christ in you would behave right?
You can pick whatever Godly sounding name you want, but it doesn't change your character, and that (or lack of) shows through clearly.

 

[VioletReigns]

What Violet says is true, but keep in mind that reporting posts have to be based off of actual rule violations, not because someone disagrees with you. The majority of reports go ignored because people do not have valid reasons, just personal ones.

Yes, you are correct, Brother Ugly. I should have emphasized that. I know the administrators are quite busy and don't have time to go through our personal disagreements. I totally meant reporting things that are against the rules. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

 

[ChristInUs]

Sarcasm and a disrespect for rules you agree to, and, technically, took an oath to. Is that part of Christ being in you? To mock your own word and put down others for calling you out on it?
Especially in light of the fact that i took no sides in this debate, but merely informed the correct way to use the report system. So, naturally, you would feel a need to take a personal jab at me. Because that is how Christ in you would behave right?
You can pick whatever Godly sounding name you want, but it doesn't change your character, and that (or lack of) shows through clearly.

you were a hall monitor in school right? I mean no disrespect. but no one likes a tattle tale. People of all walks come here and if we just ban them what does that say. Jesus said I'll take you just as you are. Are we Muslims and chop off their heads. You decide.

 

[prodigal]

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[Jeff_56]

muslims are welcome here, if they don't promote their religion.

catholics are welcome here, if they don't promote their religion.

the rules are simple: don't promote your religion here, only the groups recognized as christian, even if they have
errors of doctrine, may promote christianity.

since catholicism has never been christian, and is recognized by all believers as heresy, and by the rules as heresy ,

that it the vital difference. no one in christ jesus wants to chop someone's head off, just keep the heresy out of here - it is demonically deceptive and comes only to kill, to steal and to destroy -- even destroying wantonly without any conscience the souls of it's own members !!!

if the heresy stays out of here, perhaps then good conversations may be had without the promotion of the heresies which again are by definition rcc teachings, doctrines and practices...

Scripture is THE AUTHORITY, stick with scripture, test everything by scripture, as scripture says. \
Yahweh's Decree.