Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

[JaimeMartinez26]

timothy makes it pretty clear....


but titus said you are to train young women to be sober and teach them how to love their husbands and be good wifes



i know in the past ive been wrong based on the truth of the word
and theres been times in my life a woman pointed it out

she didnt TEACH me in a case like this
but she shared some of the truth of the Word i may have over looked being in the flesh


based on the word id never submit to a woman but if she is humble and says something true

who am i to deny the truth


(would change my heart about this in 1 second if someone can use scripture to explain timothy and to justify a woman teacher)

 

[MadebyHim]

Those that would rather not hear from a sister, might miss something God wants them to hear.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

 

[Ariel82]

timothy makes it pretty clear....


but titus said you are to train young women to be sober and teach them how to love their husbands and be good wifes



i know in the past ive been wrong based on the truth of the word
and theres been times in my life a woman pointed it out

she didnt TEACH me in a case like this
but she shared some of the truth of the Word i may have over looked being in the flesh


based on the word id never submit to a woman but if she is humble and says something true

who am i to deny the truth


(would change my heart about this in 1 second if someone can use scripture to explain timothy and to justify a woman teacher)

How does a man/pastor "teach" then?

I thought teaching was sharing God's truth with one another because the Holy spirit is the true teacher?

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

timothy makes it pretty clear....


but titus said you are to train young women to be sober and teach them how to love their husbands and be good wifes



i know in the past ive been wrong based on the truth of the word
and theres been times in my life a woman pointed it out

she didnt TEACH me in a case like this
but she shared some of the truth of the Word i may have over looked being in the flesh


based on the word id never submit to a woman but if she is humble and says something true

who am i to deny the truth


(would change my heart about this in 1 second if someone can use scripture to explain timothy and to justify a woman teacher)

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence

Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 11:8 - For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

Peter 3:5 - For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

1 Timothy 2:11 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


these types of verses are why i have my belief

no opinions can change it or words

id need multiple verses that also explain the truths ive read but may have misunderstood

 

[Ariel82]

The king James version says "the man" which makes me think husband, which would show that this passage doesn't refer to women teachers but is to a husband and wife situation.

Newer translations say "men" which would support no women teachers.

What does the Greek say?

Plural or singular?

1 timothy 2

9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

King James Bible

See the "they" at the end?

Another reason I believe the text is just to husband and wives, but I will research the Greek.

 

[Ariel82]

It reminds me of the verses where wives are told to submit to their husbands and husbands to love their wives as Christ loves the church.

 

[Ariel82]

Greek Concordance: ἀνδρὸς (andros) -- 16 Occurrences

1 Timothy 2:12 Greek Text Analysis

Well this is interesting.

It is singular "a man" not "men"

Also this Greek word is translated as "husband" in other places in the Bible.

.I will let you pray and come to your own conclusions.

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Luke 2:36 N-GMS
GRK: ζήσασα μετὰ ἀνδρὸς ἔτη ἑπτὰ
NAS: and had lived with [her] husband seven
KJV: with an husband seven
INT: having lived with a husband years seven

Luke 16:18 N-GMS
GRK: ἀπολελυμένην ἀπὸ ἀνδρὸς γαμῶν μοιχεύει
NAS: one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.
KJV: from [her] husband committeth adultery.
INT: her put away from a husband marries commits adultery

1 Timothy 2:12 N-GMS
GRK: οὐδὲ αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός ἀλλ' εἶναι
NAS: exercise authority over a man, but to remain
KJV: to usurp authority over the man, but
INT: nor to use authority over man but to be

1 Timothy 5:9 N-GMS
GRK: γεγονυῖα ἑνὸς ἀνδρὸς γυνή
NAS: of one man,
KJV: the wife of one man,
INT: being of one man wife

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

i just dont see where the Word says i should learn from or accept a woman teacher but i do see where it may imply i shouldnt

im not saying dont profess Gods word

im just saying from what i understand i would never consider a woman a teacher of mine

at most she could show me scripture that may oppose my belief

in which case id need to study and pray to God

 

[Ariel82]

Lol we just cross posted.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

i see youre trying to say its only the husband who shouldnt learn from the wife....

but that doesnt change my perspective, you may in fact be correct here seeing as how i dont have the wisdom to tell you these translations are correct or incorrect

also the verses i posted dont out right say its a shame to learn from a woman

buuut im weary of men teachers too
ill stick to the word and prayer for my understanding

i have no way to see how legit those translations are #1 and #2 maybe its my prior belief but i still would not feel comfortable looking to anyone as my Teacher


i will say this though

if you are correct on this
and its totally fine for a woman to issue spiritual guidance to men outside her husband

then in the past ive made false claims

and id have to look into this more to make the same assertions i have in the past

you just MAY end up teachin me somethin here

 

[Ariel82]

Lol nah, you missed my many post that says only Holy spirit can truly teach. We just confirm what God tells us in our hearts through scriptures and the witness of our family in Christ.

I test all beliefs, mine and others to see if they are from God or the world.

For a while I too accepted what I was told by others but now I really question if it's God's truth as I am told or long held man-made tradition?

 

[garee]

I believe that question is the root of whether women should or shouldn't be allowed to be pastors.

In Christ as new born again creatures (Christians) we are no longer considered male or female Jew or Gentile according to the promise (faith the unseen eternal).


I beleive we must search out the spirtl meaning of the various parables which would include women being silent in a assembly atmosphere.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:26

There are female prophets as well as male, and this includes teaching. The church as the bride of Christ is reckoned as if it were all female.Females are not to teach a man in a assembly atmosphere when more than one family is present. What we will be is not what we are today.(Jew and Gentile male and female)

In a assembly atmosphere the only glory that is to be seen is seen by faith, if the woman who outwardly represents the bride of Christ disregards the ceremonial law of being silent. It would reflect on the original sin in the garden and both men and woman together would be guilty of violating that headship ordinance which was destroyed bythe father of lies subtleness.(did God really say?) It (Did God really say)could be applied to the loving comndment that woman be silent.

My question goes down to what duties within the church can a woman hold according to the Bible?

She can do anything as a new creature that a man could perform except teach a man in a mixed assembly .Again in respect to the head ordinance only the invisible glory of God is to be seen by faith.

 

[Ariel82]

The new covenant has ceremonial laws?

How can you in one breath say that there are women prophetess that teach and that women can't teach men on The next?

"There are female prophets as well as male, and this includes teaching. "

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

Lol nah, you missed my many post that says only Holy spirit can truly teach. We just confirm what God tells us in our hearts through scriptures and the witness of our family in Christ.

I test all beliefs, mine and others to see if they are from God or the world.

For a while I too accepted what I was told by others but now I really question if it's God's truth as I am told or long held man-made tradition?

well maybe i shouldve chosen my words better


your zeal for God which comes from the Holy spirit in Jesus name may lead me being led by Jesus because of the indwelling Holy spirit may in fact lead me to look into this matter

 

[garee]

The new covenant has ceremonial laws?

Cerimoinal laws as shadows and types pointing ahead will be in effect untill the new heaven and earth appear.Many did come to pass signalling the begining of the refomation an new goverment of God.

Yes, water Baptism is one, the ceremonial Sabbath law, the breaking of bread, head covering or not covering another as one oridamnce.

The head covering for a woman and no head covering for a man work together as one tradition of God it leads to the second part of that ordinace(the breaking of the bread) teaching us the woman being silent in a mixed family atmosphere in order to honor Christ the head of both.

I call it the invisble glory of God as that seen by walking by faith as the only glory to be witnessed during a assembly atmosphere. She is permitted to carry on the duties of a prophet (one who declares the revealed will of God, as it is written) holding out the gospel of peace in a hope God will teach them as he applies it to their heart.

How can you in one breath say that there are women prophetess that teach and that women can't teach men on The next?

It has to do where and if other families are present. The husband as well as her male children as far as teaching is reserved for the privacy at home.

There are female prophets as well as male, and this includes teaching.

 

[Ariel82]

well maybe i shouldve chosen my words better


your zeal for God which comes from the Holy spirit in Jesus name may lead me being led by Jesus because of the indwelling Holy spirit may in fact lead me to look into this matter

Lol just poking at you, I got what you meant.

I should warn you since you are new...I may sometimes tease you like an annoying sister.

Just hope you realise it's out of love and a hope to get a smile from you and not meant in malice.

Sometimes when talking about deeply spiritual matters we take ourselves too seriously.

So my brothers tend to keep me humble, lol.

 

[Ariel82]

Cerimoinal laws as shadows and types pointing ahead will be in effect untill the new heaven and earth appear.Many did come to pass signalling the begining of the refomation an new goverment of God.

Yes, water Baptism is one, the ceremonial Sabbath law, the breaking of bread, head covering or not covering another as one oridamnce.

The head covering for a woman and no head covering for a man work together as one tradition of God it leads to the second part of that ordinace(the breaking of the bread) teaching us the woman being silent in a mixed family atmosphere in order to honor Christ the head of both.

I call it the invisble glory of God as that seen by walking by faith as the only glory to be witnessed during a assembly atmosphere. She is permitted to carry on the duties of a prophet (one who declares the revealed will of God, as it is written) holding out the gospel of peace in a hope God will teach them as he applies it to their heart.


It has to do where and if other families are present. The husband as well as her male children as far as teaching is reserved for the privacy at home.

There are female prophets as well as male, and this includes teaching.

I hope you aren't offended, but that list sounds like modern day Pharisees.

Isn't that what they did with the OT and the mosaic laws?

So you believe that the New Covenant mandates:

1. Water baptism
2. Head coverings
3. Breaking of bread (which is eating a meal and not communion?)
4. Women remain silent in a mixed family atmosphere?


Because we are awaiting for Jesus kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth?

 

[Ariel82]

Not going to address 1-3 because the thread would go in a very strange tangent.

Let's focus on 4.

So if we had a family reunion would the woman be allowed to speak, according to your beliefs garee?

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

Lol just poking at you, I got what you meant.

I should warn you since you are new...I may sometimes tease you like an annoying sister.

Just hope you realise it's out of love and a hope to get a smile from you and not meant in malice.

Sometimes when talking about deeply spiritual matters we take ourselves too seriously.

So my brothers tend to keep me humble, lol.

haha ill keep that in mind

 

[Rockrz]

Deborah was a powerful leader, prophetess and given a great deal of power and authority. IMO this should let women know its ok to teach. it says so much more than the paul passage out of context "wives be silent" which has nothing to do with teaching anyway.
our true body is neither male or female so why does it even matter.

One cannot take an example out of the Old Testament and use it to discount and do away with the Lord's instructions in the New Testament.

A good example is when the Lord said whoever lusts after a women in his heart has committed adultery (fornication if it's a single guy)

Well, under the Old Testament there is NO record at all that lusting after a women was a sin. It was only a sin if one did the deed.

So, based on your logic is it now OK to go ahead and lust after women now and do away with what Jesus taught just because it was OK under the Old Testament???

I tro not.

One thing we do see in these modern times is much false teaching coming from women and the men that are in agreement with them are partakers in their sin.

Women are more likely to be deceived... and men are more likely to just rebel.

That's how it was in the Garden of Eden, and not much has changed since.

So if we had a family reunion would the woman be allowed to speak, according to your beliefs garee?

The Lord, thru Paul, never said women could not speak outside of the congregational setting where God's Word is being taught... out side of a setting in which God's Word is being taught, the ladies can certainly speak up... as long as they don't get in to rebellion and start bossing men around