Perhaps the author of scripture used a flat earth model as well for our humanity? Because the readers at the time wouldn't have understood a round earth idea.
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mahogony snail you have some obvious flaws in your logic. you seem to imagine Jesus as a sort of dumbledore with his magical spells with suaron who has a large eye. the thing is he could have merely wanted to climb the mountain to work on his strength and agility. As you well know mountains such as mount hermon offer a dizzying elevation which can lead to some rather nasty side effects. Jesus could have been on a walk and become suddenly short of breathe. Having sensed this from his craft on the lake of fire, the devil always trying to corrupt Jesus could have sprung to action. The devil, however sinister in reputation, is not known for his success in this category and came up with another not so ingenious plan to turn jesus to the dark side. He brought with him a series of drawings that he had compiled from his own omnipotent visions and took them up the mountain with him in a satchel. Upon arriving at jesus's side the devil noted his exhaustion and was supremely satisfied. He then showed the various sketches of the nations of the world to jesus. jesus later awoke. with no sign of the devil he could only deduce that the visions were sent from God. he went back down the mountain falling once and scraping his side. luckily however he was wearing a thin belt and it buffered most of the blow. when he returned to his people he spread the news that he saw the world from the highest mountain. This misunderstanding orchestrated masterfully by the devil has grown and grown until even today it turns you, the MahogonySnail, slowly into the hands of the devil.
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charisenexcelcis
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thelevite does that come from some old theological writing or early church writing or what did that come from what you wrote?
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Demeter
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Back onto the big bang
If the big bang theory is correct, then as to explain the creation of our solar system one would only have to take a astronomy 101 course at the most. Our solar system was created from a nebula which was spinning and due to gravity was contracting. This caused the nebula to spin faster, and molecules of gas began colliding which created heat. As well the spinning caused the nebula to flatten into a "disc"( explaining why all planets orbit on the same plane). the gases eventually combined to make a sun, planets and other bodies. So now earth is born, but where does life come from? god?
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
Above is an article outlining an experiment where scientists created (very simple) life, simply by recreating the conditions of earth. This experiment makes evolution a very plausible idea as the earth is very very very old and these RNAs would have self replicated probably quite a few times in the billions of years the Earth has been around
If the big bang theory is correct, then as to explain the creation of our solar system one would only have to take a astronomy 101 course at the most. Our solar system was created from a nebula which was spinning and due to gravity was contracting. This caused the nebula to spin faster, and molecules of gas began colliding which created heat. As well the spinning caused the nebula to flatten into a "disc"( explaining why all planets orbit on the same plane). the gases eventually combined to make a sun, planets and other bodies. So now earth is born, but where does life come from? god?
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
Above is an article outlining an experiment where scientists created (very simple) life, simply by recreating the conditions of earth. This experiment makes evolution a very plausible idea as the earth is very very very old and these RNAs would have self replicated probably quite a few times in the billions of years the Earth has been around
True, but then if evolution is correct then scripture is flawed and Christianity is a myth. Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if what Moses wrote was a lie, that God created in six days, then what he wrote about the messiah must be a lie too, and if Moses is a liar, then how do we know Christ isn't a liar too? And so on, and so on, and so on, and then Christianity falls apart like a badly knitted sweater. You see why Creationists don't compromise? You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
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Cup-of-Ruin
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Just remember that the Earth was created before the sun, the moon, and the stars, and plants were created before the sun.
So as you can plainly see, there is no compromise between evolution and the Bible, none, nil, you can either believe one or the other, but trying to combine the two is impossible, they are simply completely opposed to each other.
So as you can plainly see, there is no compromise between evolution and the Bible, none, nil, you can either believe one or the other, but trying to combine the two is impossible, they are simply completely opposed to each other.
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Cako53
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What the heck are you talking about?!?! Genesis clearly tells us that light came before vegetation.
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wwjd_kilden
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why is everyone saying heck nowdays? and it does say the earth came before LIGHT..... but it says nothing about other stars... (their light don't give light here anyways)
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: 2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: 2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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Indra
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If you would define the Big Bang in normal words, it would be a giant kosmo "Oops".
It is a theory. There is no "evidence" for no men (or women) has witnessed it. The Big Bang also includes that the universe would start shrinking too.
What you believe, or choose not to believe that is up to yourself. If the Big Bang was an 'oops', life was an 'oops'.
Just look around you. Can't you see the beauty of simple complex systems around you?
It is a theory. There is no "evidence" for no men (or women) has witnessed it. The Big Bang also includes that the universe would start shrinking too.
What you believe, or choose not to believe that is up to yourself. If the Big Bang was an 'oops', life was an 'oops'.
Just look around you. Can't you see the beauty of simple complex systems around you?
........indra......there is no evidence because there wasn't a guy sitting on a little stool taking notes the whole time? there is evidence in the redshift noted first through the Hubble, there is a growing body of evidence that can be found in the increasing power of our particle accelerators which come closer and closer to the initial conditions of the universe.
you use an extremely narrow minded approach to identifying the beauty around you. why for instance is venus covered in clouds of sulfuric acid. why are we the only planet in our observable universe that seems to bear life. why can barren and desolate planets be found at whim. with the trillions of stars is it not even possible to you that this could be an oops?
http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/cobe/
you use an extremely narrow minded approach to identifying the beauty around you. why for instance is venus covered in clouds of sulfuric acid. why are we the only planet in our observable universe that seems to bear life. why can barren and desolate planets be found at whim. with the trillions of stars is it not even possible to you that this could be an oops?
http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/cobe/
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greatkraw
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all the redshift tells you is that the speed of light is decaying
this has an impact on how the flow of time is perceived to have occurred in the rest of the universe
the fact is that whatever the universe has experienced under time dilation
the Earth has only gone around the Sun about 6000 times
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Demeter
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the speed of light is not slowing. The c-decaying theory is even disputed within the creationist community, saying that the universe may appear to be billions of light years old but is actually only thousands. This theory is full of holes and disputes Einsteins famous theory of E=mc^2.
This theory was made from taking different known measurements of the speed of light through out history, however his theory is dependant on the the first measurement being an out lier, Alas this measurement was taken in the 1600's with less than satisfactory equipment and is most likely not accurate.
Any hoo the earth is probably much older than 6000 years as carbon dating has shown us that the materials of earth have been here for a much longer period of time than us.
Scientific evidence cant always be 100% correct but it attempts to explain the processes of the world and the universe and, well, sometimes its just logical.
i assume you are referring to the following body of evidence. i think you would find it interesting to read the second website thouroughly. however you mention time dilation and im a little hazy on that subject would you care to explain exactly how your ideas regarding time dilation are opposed to the general scientific thinking and why this adds credence to your very confident conclusion?
http://www.setterfield.org/GSRcritics.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c-decay.html
http://www.setterfield.org/GSRcritics.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c-decay.html
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Graybeard
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Actually Cup is right, plants were created before the sun:
The first day God created light:
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The third day plants were created:
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
so here we see God created the sun on the fourth day:
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
interesting to know what the light was that God created on the first day...but was not the sun.
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Graybeard
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I see that, it was convincing....but what about these links:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html
and I know you don't like wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
clearly there is evidence that some people of today still believe in this, after all I had first hand experience in junior high school when our geography teacher actually believed that the earth is flat and he often made attempts to convince us....and no, he definitely was not joking!
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Cup-of-Ruin
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There cannot be sunlight if there is no sun, plants were created before the sun and moon and stars, and the Earth was created before the sun, moon and stars. I'm just telling you what it says, if your not able to read it.
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Cup-of-Ruin
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Remember there are different types of lights, sunlight is different to moonlight, and starlight is different again, the Light in Genesis, the first Light is different, Jesus Christ is the 'light of the world'.
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Demeter
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correct me if im wrong but i was under the impression that moonlight was reflected sunlight? how does this make it different to sunlight?