Bioethics, Drugs

[Protection_Retribution]

Yes ^^^ Why is any of that bad, it is the perfect economical socio-political Ideology. The only problem with it is human greed.

 

[AnandaHya]

http://christianchat.com/christian-singles-forum/22434-what-pbs-nova-evolution-taught-me.html

the above is a link to a similar thread on evolution and below is my posted comment to save you the trouble of finding it.

I"m teaching evolution right now in our high school biology class and I found it interesting the things you can't teach. like the fact God exist makes more sense to me then saying its all by chance. lol

I figure that most of the things scientist discover may well describe how God made the world, but the time line might be off because they are thinking how long it would take of it to "naturally" happen when anyone who reads in the Bible would understand the concept of miracles.

lol we are teaching the theory of abiogenesis versus biogenensis.

Aristole talked about abiogenesis (living things coming from non living things, like flies morphing from rotten meat and sewage becoming rats)

Well in 1668 Redi did some experiments with meat, flies and three jars that showed WOW flies came from other FLIES.

Biogenesis says that LIVING THINGS come from Other living things.

begs to question where did those living things come from in the first place eeeHhhh??? lol

people like to ignore that question. if living things come from living things then how did the first living thing evolve?

Oxygen was first formed by lightning striking the water and releasing the bonds between Hydrogen and oxygen:

Let there be LIGHT!

Eukaryotic cells formed from prokaryotic cells engulfing other bacteria who are thought to become the mitochondria and chloroplast and instead of breaking it down and eating it they formed a symbiotic relationship, based on they have their own set of DNA and we have bacteria in our gut that helps us digest food and lives with us in a symbiotic relationship.

I find it interesting that no one thinks about the Divine catalyst that could have helped speed things along.

I think Science can sometimes explain HOW God does things, but not WHY or How fast. You know its the hand of God when something happens beyond HUMAN comprehension.

for example plate tectonics: it explains what happens when the plates moves: earthquakes and volcanoes,

but it does not say WHY, because GOD is the unspoken WHY. Ever thing in the world is in GOD"S hands and that is why we praise HIM who listen to our humble prayers and tells us that we are HIS.

 

[AnandaHya]

of course you've already read this lol

so just message me any direct questions peace and have fun.

 

[zone]

Yes ^^^ Why is any of that bad, it is the perfect economical socio-political Ideology. The only problem with it is human greed.

well, i'll answer shortly how the "theory" actually plays out in reality.

a hypothetical to think about in the meantime, though:

you have to do a project for school to earn your final degree.
along with the degree comes a scholarship for first year college.

it's a year long project, you have to do it all yourself.

so you make sacrifices in other areas of your life in order to finish the job and do well. you stay up late and get up early all year.
you use your own resources, creativity and skills and talents, and finish the project on time, and it is very good. you've promised to give it to your best friend at the end of the year since he wants to buy it from you.

most of your classmates are given the very same assignment, but didn't do the work, didn't want to sacrifice their own time and resources, and didn't actually finish, but handed in the poorly done and incomplete project anyway, late.

at the end of the year, all the projects are on display, but no names are attached to them, and no one is allowed to discuss the project. anyone caught talking about the project will receive a failing grade.

then everyone in the class receives their final degree and the scholarship.

but everyone is told they barely passed. they are told they were given the pass by the school this time but were all now on probation for shoddy work. they would have to do two projects next year.

this includes you.

and no one is permitted to take their own work back. it belongs to the school.

- would this matter to you?

 

[Protection_Retribution]

Thats not what communism, is you have completely constrewed an Ideology once again. In a communist state those who work hard are rewarded as they are benefitting the state as a whole this promotes a good work ethic by offering things to those who do it.

However, communism is like spandex it looks good until people start using it, then things get messy.

 

[wolfywolfs]

Umm no though my teacher does an awful job of doing it... far to complicated for her -_- then again she does an awful job of cheating biology as a whole I dont know how she got through Uni.

know how you feel at my school i taught the ict teacher the basics of useing a computer

 

[zone]

Thats not what communism, is you have completely constrewed an Ideology once again. In a communist state those who work hard are rewarded as they are benefitting the state as a whole this promotes a good work ethic by offering things to those who do it.

However, communism is like spandex it looks good until people start using it, then things get messy.

PR
could you cite an example of a communist state that has been good for people?
provide links and sources so i can double check if you would.
thanks!

so, just to be clear: you believe in the abolition of private property? and that the state should raise the children?

 

[zone]

know how you feel at my school i taught the ict teacher the basics of useing a computer

care to weigh in on the communism/marxism debate wolfy?
is it good for mankind or not?

 

[wolfywolfs]

communism sounds great with every one being fair and equal but it doesnt work because of humans desire for power there is always a leader whos better than every one

 

[zone]

communism sounds great with every one being fair and equal but it doesnt work because of humans desire for power there is always a leader whos better than every one

exactly.
and they end up being the most ruthless godless killers on earth.
it's a system of paranoia and lies.

they always promise the "people" HOPE & CHANGE, never really saying what that is.
utopian dreams always turn out badly for the masses, since the ones pushing HOPE & CHANGE in reality consider the masses ANIMALS to be FARMED.

that's where darwinism comes in.

have you ever read ANIMAL FARM? 1984?

Orwell was a globalist who knew the plan, but defected at the end of his life and wrote the truth.

communism doesn't just show up randomly as an alternative to whatever system wasn't working: it actively subverts existing WORLD ORDERS and overthrows them from without and from WITHIN.

there is an agenda. very clearly written, and carefully carried out.

but communism in itself is not the ENDGAME...just a means to getting there.

the END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.

communism's greatest obstacles are families and religion (they want a global "family" and their own "religion" in the end).

hold fast to your family: no matter what (even if your family is currently "broken", fix it!): expand your family, strengthen ties. seek God through Jesus Christ and you will overcome.

 

[zone]

However, communism is like spandex it looks good until people start using it, then things get messy.

hi PR.
that's a good description, the spandex part (ever seen someone wearing spandex who shouldn't be? LOL)

messy is not quite adequate to describe the results of communism though. one ought to ask why the subject is not covered adequately in school. one of it's features is it's immediate ruthless suppression of THE TRUTH whenever it has gained enough power to do so.

true history goes DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE. that was "Winston's" job at "the Ministry of Truth" in 1984: to rewrite history.

~

the TRUTH is,

man is so fallen, and so wicked, and God is so Holy and so Righteous there's only one place this can all be headed: RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT AND WRATH (no whining, or oh that's not fair: that's the way it is).

HOWEVER:

God is also LOVE. He provided a way out from under that wrath:

Jesus Christ, Who was born to live a PERFECTLY RIGHTEOUS LIFE under God's LAW....why did He have to do this?

Because: as He went then, AFTER living that perfectly sinless life to be SACRIFICED (receiving the full measure in Himself of God's WRATH for men's sin) by the apsotate priests of ancient israel (those who rejected Him), TWO THINGS WERE MADE POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO REDEEM SINNERS:

1) men who heard this GOOD NEWS, repented of their unbelief and rebellion, and placed their trust in Jesus Christ could have THEIR SINS FORGIVEN COMPLETELY.

God actually made JESUS TO BE SIN (He never sinned, He was totally innocent) so that the wrath that's now actually aimed at all men wo will not accept this gift could be completely extinguished, paid for IN FULL.

Jesus was the PROPITIATION (a substitute for you and me and anyone who sees this and believes).

He took your place.

2) The Perfectly Righteous and SINLESS Life lived by Jesus obeying every single jot, tittle and commandment of God can now BE RECKONED OR IMPUTED, charged to your ACCOUNT!

SO:

those two things had to happen for men to be able to be reconciled to God for the world to come (as well as in this world NOW)..

it's not enough to have your sins forgiven, though this is necessary. nothing we can ever do on our own can stop or blot out our own sin...NOTHING. no amount of good behaviour or religion or being sorry in and of itself can stop the Judgment that must come.

you must also be totally perfect and righteous: which is impossible, since the fall.

SO:

there's only One Way God has provided for men to be forgiven, adopted, loved and saved for eternity: JESUS CHRIST.

if you believe He is Who He said He is, and that God has done this for you while you were still an aetheist, even before you were born (you don't deserve it and did nothing to earn it), He will translate you from this wicked world (which is already condemned) into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ (which is already underway in the Heavenlies) and you will be JUSTIFIED: not guilty. SAVED from the wrath to come, and you will enter into the eternal Kingdom which is soon to come.

love zone.

 

[zone]

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

 

[zone]

Bioethics is Eugenics




Eugenics is the "applied science or the biosocial movement which advocates the use of practices aimed at improving the genetic composition of a population," usually referring to human populations.[2] Eugenics was widely popular in the early decades of the 20th century,[3] but by the late 20th century it had fallen into disfavor, having become associated with Nazi Germany.[citation needed] Both the public and some elements of the scientific community have associated eugenics with Nazi abuses, such as enforced racial hygiene, human experimentation, and the extermination of "undesired" population groups. However, developments in genetic, genomic, and reproductive technologies at the end of the 20th century have raised many new questions and concerns about the meaning of eugenics and its ethical and moral status in the modern era, effectively creating a resurgence of interest in eugenics...


~ remember this guy?


Sir Francis Galton systematized these ideas and practices according to new knowledge about the evolution of man and animals provided by the theory of his half-cousin Charles Darwin during the 1860s and 1870s. After reading Darwin's Origin of Species, Galton built upon Darwin's ideas whereby the mechanisms of natural selection were potentially thwarted by human civilization. He reasoned that, since many human societies sought to protect the underprivileged and weak, those societies were at odds with the natural selection responsible for extinction of the weakest; and only by changing these social policies could society be saved from a "reversion towards mediocrity," a phrase he first coined in statistics and which later changed to the now common "regression towards the mean"..


~ what did he say????


He reasoned that, since many human societies sought to protect the underprivileged and weak, those societies were at odds with the natural selection responsible for extinction of the weakest; and only by changing these social policies could society be saved from a "reversion towards mediocrity.

~ take a good look at the "roots" of their TREE in the graphic above: see if we don't see these things in place today...what they're saying is that if they establish and control those things, THEIR UTOPIA (their big TREE OF LIFE) will be great, since the ANIMALS will be culled and farmed properly.

 

[AnandaHya]

Eugenics a perversion of the theory of natural selection by intergrating human psychology and mob mentality to concepts, kind of like what you claim the charismatic Pentecostal church does to the doctrines of the Bible, yet YOU post it whole with no refuting details.

I wonder if this what promoting GOD's kingdom by introducing young minds to the false doctrines in a half hearted attempt to "warn" them about it without giving countering intelligent scientific arguments?

Note: morals are subjective to the hearer.

 

[AnandaHya]

here are some websites:

Is Christianity intolerant? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

In Six Days - Index

Does God Exist?

that actually has some current leading scientists who surprise, still believe in GOD and JESUS and the Truth found in the Bible.

 

[zone]

Eugenics a perversion of the theory of natural selection by intergrating human psychology and mob mentality to concepts, kind of like what you claim the charismatic Pentecostal church does to the doctrines of the Bible, yet YOU post it whole with no refuting details.

I wonder if this what promoting GOD's kingdom by introducing young minds to the false doctrines in a half hearted attempt to "warn" them about it without giving countering intelligent scientific arguments?

Note: morals are subjective to the hearer.

would a truly saved christian be able to teach evolution (the THEORY OF WHATEVER sick name they give it)?

darwinism is a scam.

and a dreadful blasphemy.

Luke 3
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,e the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

~

anyways, this thread is about the perps who brought us the lovely idea that God did NOT create man in His own image (or worse, the implication, unspeakable: God created man in his own image). if you wish to teach evolution start another thread plz.

i wonder why some ppl are so obssessed with MONKEYS.

 

[zone]

"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing … a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."
- Aldous Huxley

From Cybernetics to Littleton
Techniques in Mind Control
by Jeffrey Steinberg​

The $9 billion a year video-game industry in America, which contributed mightily to the carnage at Littleton, Paducah, and Jonesboro, is far more than the mere commercial exploitation of techniques and technologies developed as ``legitimate'' training instruments for the military and law enforcement agencies.

To understand the roots of this new form of ``Manchurian Candidate'' programmed terrorism, it is necessary to go back to World War II and the immediate postwar period, when there was a concerted effort launched, by the Frankfurt School and the London Tavistock Institute, to use the Marxist/Freudian perversion of psychology and other social sciences, as instruments for mass social control and brainwashing.

The two pillars of the assault on the American intellectual tradition were cybernetics and the drug counterculture.

At that time, a number of prominent social scientists openly spelled out their goal, of using the wartime-tested techniques of mass psychological manipulation, to pervert and control the American people. And in most instances, their emphasis was on children, and the need to destroy the fabric of family life.

Lord Bertrand Russell, who joined with the Frankfurt School in this effort at mass social engineering, spilled the beans, in his 1951 book, The Impact of Science on Society. He wrote:

"Physiology and psychology afford fields for scientific technique which still await development. Two great men, Pavlov and Freud, have laid the foundation. I do not accept the view that they are in any essential conflict, but what structure will be built on their foundations is still in doubt. I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology.... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Of these the most influential is what is called "education." Religion plays a part, though a diminishing one; the press, the cinema, and the radio play an increasing part.... It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.''​

Russell continued, ``The subject will make great strides when it is taken up by scientists under a scientific dictatorship....The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. Various results will soon be arrived at. First, that the influence of home is obstructive.​

Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten. Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective. Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity. But I anticipate. It is for future scientists to make these maxims precise and discover exactly how much it costs per head to make children believe that snow is black, and how much less it would cost to make them believe it is dark gray.''​

Russell concluded with a warning: ``Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.''​

Schiller Institute​

 

[AnandaHya]

Would a truly saved christian be so narrowed minded that they believe that Jesus does not understand and see people's HEART?

Would they refuse to listen to reason and tell people to avoid teaching our youth based on one area of contention in the required curiculum?

would a saved christain think it is better to leave education of the public school children to non christians according to their illogical assumptions and statements?

propogating more darkness doctrine in the guise of "warning people" hmmm...

 

[zone]

Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

~

Galatians 1
Greetings
1 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothersa who are with me,

To the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servantb of Christ.

 

[zone]

Would a truly saved christian be so narrowed minded that they believe that Jesus does not understand and see people's HEART?

Would they refuse to listen to reason and tell people to avoid teaching our youth based on one area of contention in the required curiculum?

would a saved christain think it is better to leave education of the public school children to non christians according to their illogical assumptions and statements?

propogating more darkness doctrine in the guise of "warning people" hmmm...

make all the excuses you want to.
now if you don't mind.....