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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
He would never admit that his beliefs are anything like gnostic beliefs, but I think he inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. If you watch closely, their whole teaching is based on rightly dividing between the old and new covenants; which to them means that anything involving dos and don'ts is old covenant (legalism.religion), and anything that is devoid of the same is new covenant (grace).
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To be serious, I saw that he could have been saying the revelation of the loving God and suffering Messiah of our Lord Jesus as setting straight the infinite love of the God of the Old Testament, that, mind you, is also Christ, in the Old Testament. I hope he wasn't saying the God of the Old Testament changed (which would be changing Himself, God who does not change?!), as opposed to revealing His work of salvation and grace by faith. As to the law given to Israel, the Lord, through Paul, is clear on the Christian's place in relation to this, and, otherwise, a dead horse bicker around here, the stuff of Jew-lite cults pushing doctrines of demons.
 
crossnote said:
I guess this is the new 'love'

Rev_6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
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context. none given.
 
Again..it's the "twist" and spin that people add to what is said that is a hallmark of those opposed to the gospel of the grace of Christ....how many times have we said that grace is not a license to sin?..I know I have said it over 40X times...and yet that is till being brought forth as a belief.......it's just a waste of time to continue to deal with these types as they are being deceitful and sayi9ng the opposite of what we actually do say...as you well know...lol

eternally-gratefull said:
No, You do not even listen to what anyone says.

You think you know what they believe, and judge based on that and that alone..
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Grace777x70 said:
Again..it's the "twist" and spin that people add to what is said that is a hallmark of those opposed to the gospel of the grace of Christ....how many times have we said that grace is not a license to sin?..I know I have said it over 40X times...and yet that is till being brought forth as a belief.......it's just a waste of time to continue to deal with these types as they are being deceitful and sayi9ng the opposite of what we actually do say...as you well know...lol
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What I've always seen is just trolling by this point, some I don't know where they went career trolling this here in the past, repeating the accusation over and over, to inflame people to endless bickering, what trolls do. Johnny-one-notes, non-stop, I quickly ceased to read anything from. Nobody has ever said sin all you want, except one post I saw, a long time ago, and that person a really weird fanatic of some sort nobody took seriously. A lot of what goes on, over the web, generally, is trolling. They know Christians have strong convictions, can feed that sociopathic need for attention, any attention, negative attention even, they crave.
 
Amen...I am not saying the God of the old testament changed..what I'm saying is that our perception of Him was not accurate as stated by Jesus....Jesus said He came to reveal the Father......and Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father..

.that's the reason that those that "studied" the scriptures from the OT didn't recognize Jesus....Jesus did not hate people...He hated the religious self-righteousness on the Pharisees......now God's wrath on sin will be evident of His love as I have stated before...

JesusIsAll said:
To be serious, I saw that he could have been saying the revelation of the loving God and suffering Messiah of our Lord Jesus as setting straight the infinite love of the God of the Old Testament, that, mind you, is also Christ, in the Old Testament. I hope he wasn't saying the God of the Old Testament changed (which would be changing Himself, God who does not change?!), as opposed to revealing His work of salvation and grace by faith. As to the law given to Israel, the Lord, through Paul, is clear on the Christian's place in relation to this, and, otherwise, a dead horse bicker around here, the stuff of Jew-lite cults pushing doctrines of demons.
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Grace777x70 said:
Amen...I am not saying the God of the old testament changed..what I'm saying is that our perception of Him was not accurate as stated by Jesus....Jesus said He came to reveal the Father......and Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father..

.that's the reason that those that "studied" the scriptures from the OT didn't recognize Jesus....Jesus did not hate people...He hated the religious self-righteousness on the Pharisees......now God's wrath on sin will be evident of His love as I have stated before...
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In any case, I believe you really mean well. Just start drinking bottled water.
 
I like the "spiritual faith hints " better.....I'm believing God for a new water filter....Oh..I see that you want to buy me one because you see me in need and want to help me...:rolleyes:

JesusIsAll said:
That, or a good water filter, could save you from getting your seed bank named and claimed.
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it was a new covenant believer, that told a gentile about jesus. the old covenant jew. don t believe in jesus.

the old covenant jew is still looking at law , and waiting for the white horse coming out the sky. etc

the old covenant jew, that believed that jesus was the saviour, were the ones, that talked about licence to sin,( or dubbed it that) so they were causing division in the church of grace a gift, and returning to the law.

so most of the apostles were martyred, because there belief in jesus christ, not the law of moses.

so the religions that believe in spiritual isreal , have missed spiritual world, to all belivers.

because what jesus did, was to save, all the world believers. etc




  1. a person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion. 2. a person who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause: a martyr to the cause of social justice.



    that why 70 ad, would cause more harm to a non christian jew. that a christian jew.
they were still taking, anamils to the temple of stone. for forgiveness etc
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I like the "spiritual faith hints " better.....I'm believing God for a new water filter....Oh..I see that you want to buy me one because you see me in need and want to help me...:rolleyes:
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No, in that case, I'm saying logoff and go get your own @#$* filter, that God should then be able to do it, without me. If these crackpots believed what they were preaching, they'd not be on the air, trying to stiff widows for $20, Creflo could just sow a million dollars to get that new jet from God. Right?
 
I'm off to shovel some snow....I won't eat any of it though..could have possible gnostic type contaminates in it...
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Wow I'm glad you said this. This lies at the heart of what the gnostics believed. They hated the GOD of the old covenant (YHWH) because they esteemed him to be a legalist and vengeful. They claimed that Jesus brought a new gnosis (knowledge) to awaken the god within, so that the chosen few could escape from the bondage of the corruption of the material world that the old covenant god created, and be reunited with the father.

So here we see the distinction trying to be made between the god of the old covenant (legalism) and the god of the new covenant (grace).
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defining scripture has no tie to religion. only show religions, mixed in the other views

there would not be a god, to the gentiles. if it was not for, the jewish christian believers. .

so a mixing of a religions change , brought the the good news of jesus christ, to this point in history.

but that change also ment a change, to the jewish ways, of doing things.

that some would call the church of jesus christ.
 
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ForthAngel said:
Proverbs 6
[SUP]16 [/SUP]There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.


Is Jesus in disagreement with this?
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who told you, about a god. who told, you about jesus.

did the writer, at this time. in history, have the holy spirit. or is your aim, a worldly, view to scripture. ie did it tell change or jugement, would come on them that judge. this is 2016. we get a full view, not a small bible verse magnified to out date the future. etc
 
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