Born in sin?

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Beckworth

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Hello !
I have two lesbian mothers who are married and they conceived me by an artificial insemination.
In addition to that, I am part of a family were drug abuse and mental illnesses are all over the place.
I would like to know:
Was I born in sin?
And if so what can I do to be better?

No. Your parents may be sinners. The circumstances of your birth may be sinful but you, personally do NOT inherit their sins. There is proof of this in Ezekiel 18. God does not hold you responsible for their actions. Neither did you inherit Adam ‘s sin. God is plain when He says the children do not inherit the sins of their fathers.
The doctrine of original sin and inherited sin came from a MAN, John Calvin, in the 1500’s. It is NOT from God.
If you want to be better, study the Bible and obey God. The Bible Is God’s word and He did not give it to us for no reason. It is our standard of truth and our guide to Heaven. I would be glad to converse with you on what the Bible says about salvation and what God expects from us. You should always ask for Book, chapter, and verse for what you believe. Praying for you.
 

TheLearner

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No. Your parents may be sinners. The circumstances of your birth may be sinful but you, personally do NOT inherit their sins. There is proof of this in Ezekiel 18. God does not hold you responsible for their actions. Neither did you inherit Adam ‘s sin. God is plain when He says the children do not inherit the sins of their fathers.
The doctrine of original sin and inherited sin came from a MAN, John Calvin, in the 1500’s. It is NOT from God.
If you want to be better, study the Bible and obey God. The Bible Is God’s word and He did not give it to us for no reason. It is our standard of truth and our guide to Heaven. I would be glad to converse with you on what the Bible says about salvation and what God expects from us. You should always ask for Book, chapter, and verse for what you believe. Praying for you.
Ezekiel 18

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True Justice
18 The word of the Lord came to me. He said, 2 “Why do you people say this proverb:
‘The parents ate the sour grapes,
but the children got the sour taste’[a]?”
3 But the Lord God says, “By my life, I swear that people in Israel will not think this proverb is true anymore! 4 I will treat everyone, child and parent, just the same. The one who sins is the one who will die!
5 “A person who is good will live! He is fair and does what is right. 6 He doesn’t go to the mountains to share food offered to idols. He doesn’t pray to those filthy idols in Israel. He doesn’t commit adultery with his neighbor’s wife or with a woman during her period. 7 He doesn’t take advantage of others. If someone borrows money from him, he might take something of value before he gives the money. But when that person pays him back, he returns what he took. He gives food to the hungry and clothes to people who need them. 8 If someone wants to borrow money from him, he lends the money and doesn’t charge interest on the loan. He refuses to be crooked. He is always fair with everyone. People can trust him. 9 He obeys my laws and studies my rules so that he can learn to be fair and dependable. He is good, so he will live.” This is what the Lord God said.
10 “But someone like that might have a son who does not do any of these good things. The son steals things and kills people. 11 He does things his father never did. He goes to the mountains and eats foods offered to false gods. He commits the sin of adultery with his neighbor’s wife. 12 He mistreats poor, helpless people. He takes advantage of them. When a debt is paid,[b] he does not give back what he took from them. He prays to filthy idols and does other terrible things. 13 He lends money to people who need it, but he forces them to pay interest on the loan. The evil son will not be allowed to live. He will be put to death because he did such terrible things, and he will be responsible for his own death.
14 “Now, that evil son might also have a son. But this son sees the bad things his father did, and he refuses to live as his father did. He treats people fairly. 15 He does not go to the mountains and eat foods offered to false gods. He does not pray to filthy idols in Israel. He does not commit the sin of adultery with his neighbor’s wife. 16 He does not take advantage of people. If someone borrows money from him, the good son takes something of value and then gives the other person the money. When that person pays him back, the good son gives back what he took. The good son gives food to hungry people, and he gives clothes to those who need them. 17 He helps the poor. If people want to borrow money, the good son lends them the money, and he does not charge interest on the loan. He obeys my laws and follows them. He will not be put to death for his father’s sins. The good son will live. 18 The father hurts people and steals things. He never does anything good for my people! He will die because of his own sins.
19 “You might ask, ‘Why will the son not be punished for his father’s sins?’ The reason is that the son was fair and did good things. He very carefully obeyed my laws, so he will live. 20 The one who sins is the one who will be put to death. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins. A good man’s goodness belongs to him alone, and a bad man’s evil belongs to him alone.
21 “Now, if evil people change their lives, they will live and not die. They might stop doing all the bad things they did and begin to carefully obey all my laws. They might become fair and good. 22 God will not remember all the bad things they did. He will remember only their goodness, so they will live!”
23 The Lord God says, “I don’t want evil people to die. I want them to change their lives so that they can live!
24 “Now, maybe good people might stop being good. They might change their lives and begin to do all the terrible things that evil people have done in the past. (The evil people changed, so they can live.) So if those good people change and become bad, God will not remember all the good things they did. He will remember that they turned against him and began to sin. So they will die because of their sin.
25 “You people might say, ‘The Lord isn’t fair!’ But listen, family of Israel. I am fair. You are the ones who are not fair! 26 If good people change and become evil, they must die for the bad things they do. 27 And if evil people change and become good and fair, they will save their lives. They will live! 28 They saw how wicked they were and came back to me. They stopped doing the evil things they did in the past. So they will live! They will not die!”
29 The people of Israel said, “That’s not fair! The Lord isn’t fair!”
“I am fair! You are the ones who are not fair! 30 Why? Because, family of Israel, I will judge each of you only for what you do!” This is what the Lord God said. “So come back to me! Stop committing those crimes and do away with those things that cause you to sin! 31 Throw away all the terrible idols with which you committed your crimes! Change your heart and spirit. People of Israel, why should you do things that will cost you your life? 32 I don’t want to kill you! Please come back and live!” This is what the Lord God said.
Footnotes
  1. Ezekiel 18:2 The parents … sour taste This means the children were suffering for things their parents did.
  2. Ezekiel 18:12 When a debt is paid See Deut. 24:12-13 for the rules about making loans to the poor.
Romans 5:12
Adam and Christ
Sin came into the world because of what one man did. And with sin came death. So this is why all people must die—because all people have sinned.

Romans 5:15
But God’s free gift is not like Adam’s sin. Many people died because of the sin of that one man.

Romans 8:13
If you use your lives to do what your sinful selves want, you will die spiritually. But if you use the Spirit’s help to stop doing the wrong things you do with your body, you will have true life.

  1. Romans 3:9
    What then? are we better? No, in no wise: for we have before charged both Jews and Greeks with being all under sin:
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Romans 3:23
    for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
 

Beckworth

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We are all born with the sin nature. Because of Adam’s sin, it’s been passed to us through his seed. That’s why Mary was a virgin. The Holy Spirit placed Jesus in her womb so He wouldn’t have the sin nature. He became our sin so we could be free of it. You can be free of everything you’re in by accepting the gift God gave us to get out of it.. Jesus
Where is the scripture for ANY of that? The Bible does not say that. In fact, Ezekiel 18 is VERY CLEAR that we do NOT. Inherit sin from our ancestors. We are born into a world that sins, yes. But we do not inherit Adam’s sin. God says so through Ezekiel the prophet.
 

Karlon

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#24
Hello !
I have two lesbian mothers who are married and they conceived me by an artificial insemination.
In addition to that, I am part of a family were drug abuse and mental illnesses are all over the place.
I would like to know:
Was I born in sin?
And if so what can I do to be better?
we are all born AS sinners. we are born in the state of sin. what to do: become a born again Christian. being a b.a. Christian means you will desire to think, speak & act liker Jesus, for life. (Romans 12:2). the Holy Spirit will be living with you for life also. He is your guide & teacher. He is the only source that reveals God, Jesus & the H.S. are true. continue to grow in grace & in knowledge of our Lord & savior, Jesus Christ. (John 16:13 & 14:26, 2nd Timothy 2:7 & 15). establish a system where, everyday you are admitting, identifying, recognizing & correcting you're life. the H.S. is in communication with you. ask Jesus for help "in the name of Jesus". get a Bible & study it. always ask Jesus for spiritual strength. & you are on your way to the best life possible.
 

Beckworth

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#25
Hello !
I have two lesbian mothers who are married and they conceived me by an artificial insemination.
In addition to that, I am part of a family were drug abuse and mental illnesses are all over the place.
I would like to know:
Was I born in sin?
And if so what can I do to be better?

No, you were not born in sin—and neither was anyone else. Read Ezekiel 18. God couldn’t be any clearer when he says a child does NOT inherit sin from their parents. Also, Jesus used little children as an example of purity and told the adults, “unless you become converted and become like a little child , you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3,5. Psalms 106:38 calls children “innocent.”
This false doctrine of inherited sin came from a man named John Calvin in the 1500’s. It is a man made doctrine—not from God. Jesus warned us about the “doctrines of men.” Matthew 15:9. Do not be deceived. Trust what God says in the Bible.
 
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No, you were not born in sin—and neither was anyone else. Read Ezekiel 18. God couldn’t be any clearer when he says a child does NOT inherit sin from their parents. Also, Jesus used little children as an example of purity and told the adults, “unless you become converted and become like a little child , you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3,5. Psalms 106:38 calls children “innocent.”
This false doctrine of inherited sin came from a man named John Calvin in the 1500’s. It is a man made doctrine—not from God. Jesus warned us about the “doctrines of men.” Matthew 15:9. Do not be deceived. Trust what God says in the Bible.
Calvin got it from St. Augustine, in fact mot of Calvin's ideas came from him
 

Karlon

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No, you were not born in sin—and neither was anyone else. Read Ezekiel 18. God couldn’t be any clearer when he says a child does NOT inherit sin from their parents. Also, Jesus used little children as an example of purity and told the adults, “unless you become converted and become like a little child , you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3,5. Psalms 106:38 calls children “innocent.”
This false doctrine of inherited sin came from a man named John Calvin in the 1500’s. It is a man made doctrine—not from God. Jesus warned us about the “doctrines of men.” Matthew 15:9. Do not be deceived. Trust what God says in the Bible.
& to that, we can add: Proverbs 30:6- "add thou NOT unto His words lest He reprove thee & thou be found a liar!.
 

Beckworth

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We are all born with the sin nature. Because of Adam’s sin, it’s been passed to us through his seed. That’s why Mary was a virgin. The Holy Spirit placed Jesus in her womb so He wouldn’t have the sin nature. He became our sin so we could be free of it. You can be free of everything you’re in by accepting the gift God gave us to get out of it.. Jesus
Have you ever read Ezekiel 18?
FACTS:
1) sin is not inherited. Ezk. 18
2) children are held up by Jesus as pure and saved Matt. 19 & Luke 18.
3) children are innocent Psalms 106;38
 

Beckworth

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& to that, we can add: Proverbs 30:6- "add thou NOT unto His words lest He reprove thee & thou be found a liar!.

Yes, and also Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32 and the last thing God warns us about in Revelation 22:18-19.

So, at the BEGINNING of God’s book, in the MIDDLE, and at the END of His book—he has warned us. It seems God considered this very important.
 

TheLearner

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& to that, we can add: Proverbs 30:6- "add thou NOT unto His words lest He reprove thee & thou be found a liar!.
Proverbs 30
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Wise Sayings of Agur Son of Jakeh
30 These are the wise sayings of Agur son of Jakeh from Massa. He says, “God, I am tired, so tired. How can I keep going?”[a]

2 I am stupid. I am not as smart as other people are. 3 I have not learned to be wise. I know nothing about the Holy One. 4 Who has ever gone up to heaven and come back down? Who gathered the winds in his hand? Who can gather up all the water in his lap? Who set the limits for the world? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Do you know?

5 You can trust this: Every word that God speaks is true. God is a safe place for those who go to him. 6 So don’t try to change what God says. If you do, he will punish you and prove that you are a liar.

7 God, I ask you to do two things for me before I die. 8 Don’t let me tell lies. And don’t make me too rich or too poor—give me only enough food for each day. 9 If I have too much, I might deny that I need you, Lord. But if I am too poor, I might steal and bring shame to the name of my God.

10 Never say bad things about a slave to his master. If you do, he will curse you, and you will suffer for it.

11 Some people curse their fathers and refuse to bless their mothers.

12 Some people think they are pure, but they have done nothing to remove the filth of their sin.

13 Some people are so proud of themselves, and they look down on everyone else.

14 There are people whose teeth are like swords and their jaws like knives. They take everything they can from the poor.

15 Greedy people know only two things[c]: “Give me,” and “Give me.” There are three other things that are never satisfied—really, four things that never have enough: 16 the place of death, a woman with no children, dry ground that needs rain, and a fire that will never stop by itself.

17 People who make fun of their father or refuse to obey their mother should have their eyes plucked out by wild birds and be eaten by vultures.

18 There are three things that are hard for me to understand—really, four things that I don’t understand: 19 an eagle flying in the sky, a snake moving on a rock, a ship moving across the ocean, and a man in love with a woman.

20 A woman who is not faithful to her husband acts innocent. She eats, wipes her mouth, and says she has done nothing wrong.

21 There are three things that make trouble on the earth—really, four that the earth cannot bear: 22 a slave who becomes a king, fools who have everything they need, 23 a woman whose husband hated her but still married her, and a servant girl who becomes ruler over the woman she serves.

24 There are four things on the earth that are small but very wise:

25 Ants are small and weak, but they save their food all summer;

26 badgers are small animals, but they make their homes in the rocks;

27 locusts have no king, but they are able to work together;

28 lizards are small enough to catch with your hands, but you can find them living in kings’ palaces.

29 There are three things that act important when they walk—really, there are four:

30 a lion—he is the warrior of the animals and runs from nothing,

31 a rooster walking proudly,[d]

a goat,

and a king among his people.

32 If you have been foolish enough to become proud and make plans against other people, stop and think about what you are doing.

33 Stirring milk causes butter to form. Hitting someone’s nose causes blood to flow. And making people angry causes trouble.