Calvinism is Gospel !

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brightfame52 said:
I did, your post is no different from the typical freewill arminian, I have read those arguments a couple of hundred times before you.
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As I have previously stated...actually for a few years now but why would that matter to you...I am not either one of your chosen destination debate platforms.

You did not read the post; you had not time to have read it so that does not work in your favor. I am sure you have read many things and been quite and properly indoctrinated from a Calvinist position.

If you would loose your Calvinistic prejudice, study and see how much Calvinists disregard who something is written to, why it was written and just never mind the context, God willing (well He is but people are lost in their devices for their own purposes) you might yet make it past the tulip gardens.

I don't think you understand that minds far greater than yours and mine, do not conclude the Calvinist stance from the phylactery of tulip stuck on your head or any other Calvinist individual, or shadow figure so disposed. But since you handle the Bible with such
dangerous lack of care, I guess you don't acknowledge about what others possessed of far great knowledge of scripture conclude.
 
rogerg said:
If God is the God unto salvation for everyone, why then did God claim Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - of the living - and not have also included Ishmael and Esau?

[Mat 22:32 KJV] 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living
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They are not identified as lineage with regards to the understanding of God's covenant with Abraham.

Ignorance does not prove Calvinism. It proves a disregard for actually understanding what is going on in scripture. The Bible was not written to you. Not one single word. And of course you will gleefully jump on that and misunderstand it, congratulate yourself and have a steak for supper.
 
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pinebeach said:
They are not identified as lineage with regards to the understanding of God's covenant with Abraham.

Ignorance does not prove Calvinism. It proves a disregard for actually understanding what is going on in scripture. The Bible was not written to you. Not one single word. And of course you will gleefully jump on that and misunderstand it, congratulate yourself and have a steak for supper.
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Answer the original question from the text: Why did God explicitly omit Ishmael and Esau from His covenant identity if He intended Himself to be the God of everyone?
 
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rogerg said:
Answer the original question from the text: Why did God explicitly omit Ishmael and Esau from His covenant identity if He intended Himself to be the God of everyone?
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Don't snap at me to answer your question. I do not put much value in what you have to say, so maybe act like you aren't the big cheese around here.

I did actually answer the question. A lack of understanding on your part is not my burden
 
pinebeach said:
Don't snap at me to answer your question. I do not put much value in what you have to say, so maybe act like you aren't the big cheese around here.

I did actually answer the question. A lack of understanding on your part is not my burden
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Pointing out a dodge is not snapping, it is returning the discussion to where it should be.
If you answered it, please quote your own answer. Where in the text of Matthew 22:32 or Exodus 3:6 does it say God is the God of Ishmael or Esau? The text explicitly names only three men. Why did God exclude the others if He is the covenant God of everyone?
 
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rogerg said:
Pointing out a dodge is not snapping, it is returning the discussion to where it should be.
If you answered it, please quote your own answer. Where in the text of Matthew 22:32 or Exodus 3:6 does it say God is the God of Ishmael or Esau? The text explicitly names only three men. Why did God exclude the others if He is the covenant God of everyone?
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I did answer the question. The Bible nowhere indicates God has a 'covenant' with everyone; that is another indication you have no clue what you are trying to sound smart about.

And someone says we don't know anything about Calvinism while the perfect example of why that may be true (it isn't) continues on with his imaginery ability to make cogent conversation.

Best ignored with a side of smh.
 
pinebeach said:
I did answer the question. The Bible nowhere indicates God has a 'covenant' with everyone; that is another indication you have no clue what you are trying to sound smart about.

And someone says we don't know anything about Calvinism while the perfect example of why that may be true (it isn't) continues on with his imaginery ability to make cogent conversation.

Best ignored with a side of smh.
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Thank you. You just stated that: "The Bible nowhere indicates God has a 'covenant' with everyone."
That was my exact point from the very beginning. Because God does not have a covenant with everyone, He is not the covenant God of everyone. That is why He explicitly identifies Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, while excluding Ishmael and Esau.
 
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Churchgoer said:
This is your definition of God? Loving, just?
Or scripture ref.?

Again, from human perspective.

Christiananity is God centered, not human centered.

personal responsibility is necessary. Blessings.
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That is the NT definition of God per the NT!
You think it defines God as hateful and unfair?!
That would be the demonic perspective!
What church do you go to?
SPUR
 
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