Calvinism is Gospel !

[GWH]

The flaw in that argument is the assumption that judgment and mercy operate on the same basis. They do not. Judgment is always grounded in what sinners deserve, but mercy is never grounded in what anyone deserves. God does not send people to hell because they “failed to convert,” as if salvation were a test they didn’t pass. People go to hell because they are guilty, and those who are saved are not rescued because they became innocent—they are rescued in spite of their guilt. If salvation depended on a human choice, then that choice would become the basis of deserving eternal life. But Scripture insists that eternal life is not a wage earned by a decision; it is mercy given to the undeserving. That is why the sinner is responsible for his judgment, and God alone is responsible for salvation.

All are sinners, but most go to hell because God favors only a few with mercy per tulip.
Hope you don't treat your kids that way!
When they accept your gift, does that mean it is a payment?!

 

[brightfame52]

Christ was ordained before the world began to the redeemer of the elect !

Writing the elect of God scattered, Peter wrote:

1 Pet 1:2,18-20

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Notice Peter stated Jesus was manifested [incarnation] for them specifically !

The word elect in Vs 2 is eklektos:

picked out, chosen

1. chosen by God,
   
   
   1. to obtain salvation through Christ

Its derived from eklegomai which is the word for chosen in Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now notice how the sacred writers both use the term " before the foundation of the world"

So no doubt its strictly for them Chosen in Christ before the foundation of world Christ came to redeem ! This is Gospel Truth

 

[brightfame52]

All are sinners, but most go to hell because God favors only a few with mercy per tulip.

According to Jesus Matt 7:14

because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matt 20:16

So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
And again Matt 22:14

For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[Bible_Locket]

GWH, your response is exactly what I expected: total capitulation disguised as righteous indignation. When presented with the raw, uncompromising text of Holy Writ, you couldn't produce a single verse to defend your position. Instead, you retreated into human philosophy, threw an emotional tantrum, and hurled labels like "absurd," "blasphemous," and "heretical." Calling God’s sovereign truth a "TULIP" does not erase the words from your Bible.

Let's address your philosophical redefinition of sovereignty. You claim a sovereign God must have the freedom to "limit His own power" to accommodate human free will. Think about the logical disaster of that statement. If God must limit His own power and desires to save everyone, yet millions perish in hell, then human willpower is ultimately stronger than God's desire. That doesn't make God sovereign; it makes man the supreme deity of his own salvation, while your god sits on the sidelines hoping someone chooses him. The true God of Scripture declares, "My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" (Isaiah 46:10), and He "worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" (Ephesians 1:11). He does not ask permission from the clay.

You completely dodged the logic of the text because you have no answer for it:

1. John 12:39-40: The text does not say they would not believe; it says point-blank, "Therefore they could not believe, because... He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart." You claim my view makes humans "robots," but the Apostle John says their inability to believe was the direct result of God's judicial blinding. Are you calling the Holy Spirit "heretical" for writing those words?
2. John 10:26: Christ told the religious elites, "Ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep." Your theology demands that a man believes in order to become a sheep. Christ states the exact opposite: their lack of faith was proof they were never among His chosen flock to begin with. The sheep belong to the Father, are given to the Son, and are quickened by the Spirit.

You tell me to "dodge your logic at my own eternal risk," but your logic is rooted in the shifting sand of human pride, while my faith rests on the immutable rock of sovereign grace. Eternal salvation is not a cooperative venture between God and the creature. It is entirely of the Lord from election to glorification.

I will ask you one final time to stop running. Drop the philosophical clichés about robots, look at the page, and answer the text: Why did Christ say they could not believe because God hardened them?

You do realize? Given all that we have rightly divided and shared from God,that no amount of reasoning with GWH will ever get through.

Precisely because of what we have shared from God regarding his Elect,known as his Chosen People in the OT, and how his words serve to reach us.

I.E. They are foolishness to GWH. 1Corinthians 2:14

 

[kinda]

This one's pretty good also.

 

[Bible_Locket]

This one's pretty good also.

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That's one angry baby.

Great meme.

 

[Anchorite]

 

[Bible_Locket]

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You're implying Paul there contradicts what he wrote in
1 Corinthians 2.

1 Corinthians 15:20–28 (ESV)

20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Anchorite]

 

[Roger316]

All are sinners, but most go to hell because God favors only a few with mercy per tulip.
Hope you don't treat your kids that way!
When they accept your gift, does that mean it is a payment?!

In my view, the transformation of the inner man, i.e. circumcision of the heart is more akin to healing, which only God can perform. His mercy begins there. If I had the power to transform the hearts of my kids, i would.

 

[Kroogz]

According to Jesus Matt 7:14

because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matt 20:16

So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
And again Matt 22:14

For many are called, but few are chosen.

That's funny stuff considering what you have presented.

There is no gate. There is not a narrow way. And NONE can find it........According to calvie theology.

Wisp in the wind for some, and hell fire for the rest........calvie theory.

 

[Kroogz]

In my view, the transformation of the inner man, i.e. circumcision of the heart is more akin to healing, which only God can perform. His mercy begins there. If I had the power to transform the hearts of my kids, i would.

Yeah, calvie theory is pretty DEAD.

We can't teach our kids squat and nothing we teach matters.......They are elect or damned. Nothing they believe or are taught matters.

As parents, we can only cross our fingers. God may have elected them to the Lake of Fire.

 

[Kroogz]

If I had the power to transform the hearts of my kids, i would.

But,God is not as merciful as you. He wishes that some perish.

I sure wish that you could switch places with God. You are way more merciful than Him........according to calvie theory.

 

[Bible_Locket]

That's funny stuff considering what you have presented.

There is no gate. There is not a narrow way.

Yes,there is. In fact,that's precisely what is envisioned in and by that parable of Immanuel.
There is a narrow way.
Many are called,as you insist.

Few are chosen,as Immanuel taught.

And NONE can find it........According to calvie theology.

That isn't what Reformed theology,Calvanism, teaches.

Using such school yard terms,calvie,tulipists,etc..is juvenile. And demonstrates the writer of such terms is incapable of rational thought and mature debate.

Wisp in the wind for some, and hell fire for the rest........calvie theory.

Your theology alone. And all of it being unbiblical.

 

[Bible_Locket]

But,God is not as merciful as you. He wishes that some perish.

You truly should stop with sarcastic blasphemy and actually take the time to read the Bible.
Read,the Bible. Cover to cover.

I sure wish that you could switch places with God. You are way more merciful than Him........according to calvie theory.

See above.

Be careful.
In the Bible God warns,he is not mocked.
You do this repeatedly.
Believe it or not, God sees this.

 

[-Lutheran]

Yes,there is. In fact,that's precisely what is envisioned in and by that parable of Immanuel.
There is a narrow way.
Many are called,as you insist.

Few are chosen,as Immanuel taught.

That isn't what Reformed theology,Calvanism, teaches.

Using such school yard terms,calvie,tulipists,etc..is juvenile. And demonstrates the writer of such terms is incapable of rational thought and mature debate.


Your theology alone. And all of it being unbiblical.

There are a few here that camp out and bring out the worst in people. That's my observation after a few days reading this board and its reformed topics and subjects.
Just saying, I understand why you @Bible_Locket respond in such a fashion and hope you don't want to.
I also see your tactics and methods used against anybody that disagrees or rubs you the wrong way.
This is why I prefer online communities like PuritanBoard (most here can't get past the application process). I get it, some theological websites don't want to offer forums because they're nothing more than a platform for newbies to flex newly learned theological terms.
I'm kind of mixed about that... because on the extreme end there are the regulars here that don't even educate themselves in theology but make their opinions unbearable for everybody else that won't lower themselves to their level of ignorance.
Truly, the soapbox opera runs unchecked here.
How many "regulars" here chased others out or brought out the worst in others?
They're about as passive-aggressive and insulting as can be, but I suppose they appear nice to staff here that cherishes that PC & woke standard.
To them, I place my hand on my hip, snap my finger, and say, "Whatever."
Whatever is about the summation of the drama queen responses in this thread. I am not a Calvinist, believing they are not necessarily wrong (erring by looking at them rather than the theology) but sometimes lack restraint and use inference beyond the intent of the author. Sometimes that demonstrates wisdom, extracting a principle and applying that principle to life, theology, worship, etc.
Its flaw is that many Calvinists assume others are logical and can reason.
In that way, I pity them (life is too short).

 

[GWH]

You do realize? Given all that we have rightly divided and shared from God,that no amount of reasoning with GWH will ever get through.

Precisely because of what we have shared from God regarding his Elect,known as his Chosen People in the OT, and how his words serve to reach us.

I.E. They are foolishness to GWH. 1Corinthians 2:14

TULIP is foolishness/blasphemy/heresy to all mature Christians.
My guess is that tulipists were not taught as kids to memorize John 3:16.

 

[-Lutheran]

TULIP is foolishness/blasphemy/heresy to all mature Christians.
My guess is that tulipists were not taught as kids to memorize John 3:16.

It's all about "YOU."
And as long as "YOU" are here, nothing edifying can occur.
"YOU" are an obstacle God must overcome.

 

[GWH]

This one's pretty good also.

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A better/truer caption would be: "Calvinist Baby - God wants few to be born again!"

 

[GWH]

It's all about "YOU."
And as long as "YOU" are here, nothing edifying can occur.

Mirror (Matt. 7:3-5).