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Probably, you were asking all the wrong people who do not believe in free will. Rom. 10:13-15 clearly states how a person is saved. It is through the preaching of the gospel. When the gospel is preached, faith is built up within the person who hears the gospel, and this is when the person exercises his free will to choose Christ.

According to Rom. 10:17, faith is built up as the person hears the Word of God. As you know very well that faith is a gift of God. Faith cannot be produced by a person. It comes from God. Acts 2:37 tells us the process of how faith works in a person. That verse says,
"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Here the phrase, "pricked in their heart" signifies conviction in their heart. Their response was, "what shall we do?" This is free-will.
Probably you haven't a clue what you are talking about. The Bible does not teach that man's will is free... quite the opposite, since he is a slave to sin, blinded by the god of this world, taken captive to do the will of the devil... opposed to the spiritual things of God, which he can neither receive nor comprehend, hates the Light, refuses to come into it, is a lover of darkness, etc etc. But These and many other verses detailing the estate of the natural man are routinely ignored, brushed aside, contradicted and outright denied. Now you come along and tell us faith comes by hearing, when the natural man cannot receive what is being preached as anything other than foolishness. Some of the heretics say everyone hears, too, which also directly contradicts what Jesus said. They don't care about that. They have elevated a philosophical construct and their own opinion above the revealed written Word of God. The natural man is incapable of submitting to God; he serves the law of sin which brings forth fruit unto death. Scripture says so, and that's what I believe.
 
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To put it in plain English, 2 Pet 1:1 simply says that we are in this faith because of the righteousness of Jesus. What does it have to do with my question, "Where does the Bible explicitly say that a person is regenerated before he hears the preaching of the gospel?"

By the word 'obtained'—in plain English.
In plain English, Peter writes that believers 'obtained' this faith through the righteousness of our Savior. Logically then, Jesus must already first have been their Savior for Him to credit them with His righteousness and distribute this faith to them - He does not give true faith to everyone but only to those whom He saves as its result. So, for Him to do so, they had to have already first been saved/regenerated. Seriously, you really can't see that? Why did Peter say their faith was obtained from Christ and not from themselves? What do you think John 14:6 means in saying that no one comes to the Father but by me - it doesn't say that no one comes to the Father but by their faith.
As with Lydia in Acts 16:14, Paul was preaching, but Lydia could not believe until 'the Lord opened her heart' FIRST, which meant that for her heart to be opened, God had first to save her - because that is the only way for a heart to be opened. 2 Peter 1 confirms that true faith is a gift obtained from our Savior, and by stating that He was their Savior, that He had already saved them, and from that, gave them faith. It was not a work produced by man.
 
If a sinner's mind is spiritually blind, and the light of the Gospel is completely hidden from them while they are lost, how can they possibly see it, understand it, and choose to believe it to escape being lost?

According to your synergistic theology, a blind man must look at the light of the Gospel while he is still blind to trigger God to open his eyes. It is an absolute absurdity. The Holy Spirit explicitly states that they believe not because they are blind. [1]
What does 2 Cor. 4:3-4 actually say? It says that Satan has blinded the minds of who? of those who believe not. It means these so called blind people are those who have already decided not to believe, probably because of certain prejudices. But what about the people who are neutral and have made no such decision not to believe? These are the people who will listen to gospel if a preacher approaches them because they are not brain-dead that they cannot understand. They can even think it through, and they can even make decisions. Now, if the author of our salvation is Jesus, then definitely they should not be making any decisions on their own. Jesus has to intervene in their decision-making. How does he do that? He bestows faith into them. This faith is nothing but conviction or convincing. This is what is causing the person to exercise his free will to believe and subsequently call upon the name of the Lord and gets saved. Is this hard to understand? Is this rocket science?

Therefore, unless a person is sovereignly regenerated and given spiritual sight by the immediate power of the Holy Spirit, the Gospel remains permanently hidden from them, resulting in inescapable unbelief. God must move first to remove the blindness through the New Birth so that the soul can look to Christ and believe '+ nothing.' Is that explicit enough for you, or are you going to keep fighting against the plain mechanics of the text?" [1, 2]
The regeneration you are talking about happens only after the person has exercised faith, and faith can only be availed as he hears the gospel, not otherwise. The "removal of blindness" is through the gift of faith, because faith works through conviction or convincing. The conviction/convincing is what opens up the understanding of the person.
 
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Probably you haven't a clue what you are talking about. The Bible does not teach that man's will is free... quite the opposite, since he is a slave to sin, blinded by the god of this world, taken captive to do the will of the devil... opposed to the spiritual things of God, which he can neither receive nor comprehend, hates the Light, refuses to come into it, is a lover of darkness, etc etc. But These and many other verses detailing the estate of the natural man are routinely ignored, brushed aside, contradicted and outright denied. Now you come along and tell us faith comes by hearing, when the natural man cannot receive what is being preached as anything other than foolishness. Some of the heretics say everyone hears, too, which also directly contradicts what Jesus said. They don't care about that. They have elevated a philosophical construct and their own opinion above the revealed written Word of God. The natural man is incapable of submitting to God; he serves the law of sin which brings forth fruit unto death. Scripture says so, and that's what I believe.
So, in Acts 2:37 the pricking of the heart and the question being asked to Peter, "what shall we do?" mean nothing to you?
 
By the word 'obtained'—in plain English.
In plain English, Peter writes that believers 'obtained' this faith through the righteousness of our Savior. Logically then, Jesus must already first have been their Savior for Him to credit them with His righteousness and distribute this faith to them - He does not give true faith to everyone but only to those whom He saves as its result. So, for Him to do so, they had to have already first been saved/regenerated. Seriously, you really can't see that? Why did Peter say their faith was obtained from Christ and not from themselves? What do you think John 14:6 means in saying that no one comes to the Father but by me - it doesn't say that no one comes to the Father but by their faith.
As with Lydia in Acts 16:14, Paul was preaching, but Lydia could not believe until 'the Lord opened her heart' FIRST, which meant that for her heart to be opened, God had first to save her - because that is the only way for a heart to be opened. 2 Peter 1 confirms that true faith is a gift obtained from our Savior, and by stating that He was their Savior, that He had already saved them, and from that, gave them faith. It was not a work produced by man.
On faith, I totally agree with you that it is the gift of God, and not something that we can produce on our own. But when does faith actually come? According to Rom. 10:17, faith is given to us as we hear the gospel. Since you mentioned Lydia, that is a very good example to say that faith comes as we hear the gospel. In Acts 16:14, when did the Lord open her heart? As she was hearing the gospel, and not before that.
 
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On faith, I totally agree with you that it is the gift of God, and not something that we can produce on our own. But when does faith actually come? According to Rom. 10:17, faith is given to us as we hear the gospel. Since you mentioned Lydia, that is a very good example to say that faith comes as we hear the gospel. In Acts 16:14, when did the Lord open her heart? As she was hearing the gospel, and not before that.

Quoting Romans 10:17 does not change the fact that God is the source of faith. You are confusing the external tool (preaching) with the internal cause (God) and which was attested to in 2 Pe 1:1. For someone to truly believe, their spiritual heart must first be changed by God and that can only happen by being saved and regenerated. Before then, they have a heart of stone, which in God's eyes is deceitful above all, and so they must first be given a new heart through regeneration. Rom 10:10 makes clear that true belief must begin from in heart, and it happens from the inside out, not from the outside in.
The Bible makes a clear distinction between physical hearing and spiritual hearing. In Matthew 13:13, Jesus explicitly states that people can physically hear the word but entirely fail to comprehend its spiritual dimension. For the preached word to actually produce true spiritual understanding, a person must first be given spiritual ears to hear and a heart to perceive. As Proverbs 20:12 states, 'The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the Lord hath made even both of them.' We see this exact sequence in Acts 16:14 with Lydia's conversion. Paul was physically preaching, but Lydia could not truly hear, understand, or respond until 'The Lord opened her heart.' God flipping the switch of salvation and regeneration, placed true faith into her heart, and gave her the spiritual capacity to hear the word spiritually; therefore, her intellectual understanding of it was the direct result of that. Preaching is the instrument, but Christ is the author of the faith.

[Jer 17:9 KJV] 9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[Rom 10:10 KJV] 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 
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I am not saying no to scripture, you are; I am saying no to you and to your interpretation of the gospel. You do not want to accept the predominant and most fundamental/foundational tenet of the gospel - that Christ alone is the Savior. Explain then how you perceive the role of Jesus Christ as Savior, and as being the Savior, what His contribution is to someone becoming saved. If you do not believe that He alone is the Savior, then say so. In the verses you quoted you confused having faith with it being the cause of salvation. But those verses were only demonstrating faith as a barometer to indicate someone who has been saved but not saved because of their faith -faith is a byproduct of salvation, not its cause. Otherwise, scripture would be wrong when it claims that Jesus is THE (singular) Savior. There is simply no way nor wiggle room for you to get around this scriptural truth.

[Jhn 14:6 KJV] 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Now you're just straight up lying. I've said the verses you put are true, quite simply because they are all true. The part where we differ is that I say that they are all true. Even the parts that say we need faith.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Grace of God, given through Jesus' sacrifice, absolutely not by our works. Our works are something God has asked from His followers, not to save us though. But note that it says "through faith". We are required to put our faith in Jesus. In no way does that take away from the fact Jesus saved us. It's just His sacrifice won't save those who don't have their belief in Him....
 
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Now you're just straight up lying. I've said the verses you put are true, quite simply because they are all true. The part where we differ is that I say that they are all true. Even the parts that say we need faith.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Grace of God, given through Jesus' sacrifice, absolutely not by our works. Our works are something God has asked from His followers, not to save us though. But note that it says "through faith". We are required to put our faith in Jesus. In no way does that take away from the fact Jesus saved us. It's just His sacrifice won't save those who don't have their belief in Him....


Agreed and the grammar also supports you as well.

They only know reading into (eisigesis) and arguments from silence.. that means your correct in how they handle scripture.

Ephesians 2:8-9 puts an end to this false soteriology, but they do not care.
 
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But note that it says "through faith". We are required to put our faith in Jesus.
"You are completely trapped in a legalistic framework that turns the gift of faith into a conditional hurdle a dead sinner must jump over to trigger God's grace. You claim that we are 'required' to put our faith in Jesus, but your timeline completely destroys the definition of free grace. [1, 2]

Saving faith is not a requirement; it is an inseparable accessory that accompanies Salvation by Grace. God does not legally require a spiritually dead corpse to produce something that He Himself must sovereignly grace us with. [1, 2, 3, 4]

If you want to look at the absolute, precise grammar of the text you are trying to manipulate, let’s open Ephesians 2:8 in the original Greek. Paul does not merely say we are saved through a generic, human act of belief. He writes: διὰ τῆς πίστεως (dia tēs pisteōs), which literally translates to “through THE faith.” [1, 2]

The presence of the definite article τῆς (the) completely explodes your free-will theology. Paul does not treat faith as a fluid, natural emotion originating within the sinner's independent ego. By labeling it THE faith, the Holy Spirit identifies it as a specific, objective covenant asset—a particular supernatural grace that is bound directly to the salvation package itself. It is a divine object bestowed upon the soul, not an organic product manufactured by the carnal mind. [1, 2, 3]

This definitive grammar completely silences the standard Arminian loophole. Synergists love to argue that the 'gift' in verse 8 doesn't apply to faith. But by utilizing the definite article, Paul fuses the entire clause into a single, unbreakable compound reality: The salvation-by-grace-through-THE-faith package. [1]

Paul then explicitly states that this entire compound package—including THE faith itself—is 'not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.' Faith is not a human initiative or a self-produced token that you hand to God to buy your regeneration. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Think through basic biblical logic: Man by nature is dead in trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1), possesses a carnal mind that is total enmity against God, and cannot be subject to Him (Romans 8:7). Furthermore, the Gospel is completely hidden to them that are lost because their minds are blinded while lost (2 Corinthians 4:3-4). A blind, deaf corpse is completely incapable of generating THE faith while rotting in its lost, blinded state. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Therefore, God doesn't stand outside the graveyard waiting for permission or requiring a dead man to meet a condition. The Father executes an internal drawing—ἑλκύσῃ (helkysē)—which authoritative lexicons define as to drag, pull, or unshethe. God immediately opens the blind eyes, circumcises the dead heart, and produces the willing persuasion of THE faith (peithō) inside His elect sheep. [1]
We do not believe to trigger salvation; we believe because God’s sovereign grace has already effectively resurrected us and clothed us with THE faith He requires. All glory remains with God '+ nothing,' because He doesn't wait for a requirement to be met—He effectively bestows both the salvation and the specific faith that accompanies it." [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]




 
Quoting Romans 10:17 does not change the fact that God is the source of faith.
You're stuck with your broken record. I have clearly mentioned that faith comes from God and no person can produce on their own. Yet you say that God is the source of faith.

For someone to truly believe, their spiritual heart must first be changed by God and that can only happen by being saved and regenerated. Before then, they have a heart of stone, which in God's eyes is deceitful above all, and so they must first be given a new heart through regeneration. Rom 10:10 makes clear that true belief must begin from in heart, and it happens from the inside out, not from the outside in.
You are wrong on this. As per Rom. 10:13-15, a person believes as he hears the gospel. How exactly does that happen? Rom. 10:17 says that when the person hears the gospel, God grants faith to that person and that is what is causing him to believe. This belief makes him righteous as per Rom. 10:10 and then when he confesses Jesus as Lord, he is saved.

We see this exact sequence in Acts 16:14 with Lydia's conversion. Paul was physically preaching, but Lydia could not truly hear, understand, or respond until 'The Lord opened her heart.' God flipping the switch of salvation and regeneration, placed true faith into her heart, and gave her the spiritual capacity to hear the word spiritually; therefore, her intellectual understanding of it was the direct result of that. Preaching is the instrument, but Christ is the author of the faith.
Here, you are acknowledging that as Lydia was listening to the gospel, the Lord opened her heart. This opening of the heart is called faith. Faith leads the person to believe, call on the name of the Lord thereby getting saved.
 
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Now you're just straight up lying

You throw the "l" word up pretty casually, don't you? I said that I disagreed with your interpretation of scripture, how is that be a lie?

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

You obviously do not understand Eph 2:8 -9.
Ephesians 2:8–9 teaches that salvation is God’s gift and not something that comes from ourselves. If the faith that brings salvation had to originate in the person being saved in order to complete the process, then salvation would not be solely God’s gift as it would also depend on human contribution. That would make the passage contradict itself. Therefore, to preserve the meaning and integrity of the verse, whatever produces salvation must come from outside the person being saved. For that reason, the faith in view in the verse is Christ’s faithfulness and faith, and not the person's because Christ alone is the Savior and man is not. Anything a person must contribute to it would make it for them, a work by which they could boast, but because salvation but is by Christ and not by man, no one has grounds to boast.
 
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You're stuck with your broken record. I have clearly mentioned that faith comes from God and no person can produce on their own. Yet you say that God is the source of faith.


You are wrong on this. As per Rom. 10:13-15, a person believes as he hears the gospel. How exactly does that happen? Rom. 10:17 says that when the person hears the gospel, God grants faith to that person and that is what is causing him to believe. This belief makes him righteous as per Rom. 10:10 and then when he confesses Jesus as Lord, he is saved.


Here, you are acknowledging that as Lydia was listening to the gospel, the Lord opened her heart. This opening of the heart is called faith. Faith leads the person to believe, call on the name of the Lord thereby getting saved.

You're wrong but whatever, I'm done - not gonna waste any more time and effort on this
 
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You're wrong but whatever, I'm done
Your theology is based on the false premise of "Total Depravity" and "Unconditional Election". Both these concepts are false. If you can shred these two concepts from your mind, you will be able to see the scriptures clearly just as they are written. Your allegiance should not be to Calvin, but to Jesus.
 
Your theology is based on the false premise of "Total Depravity" and "Unconditional Election". Both these concepts are false. If you can shred these two concepts from your mind, you will be able to see the scriptures clearly just as they are written. Your allegiance should not be to Calvin, but to Jesus.

Yup and that would end-up me up needing to produce works to save myself which directly contradicts the gospel of Christ as the Savior. You simply are unable, at least as of now, to comprehend, believe, nor trust in Christ as Savior, and by that, you demonstrate that you are still under law and works, not grace - in God's eyes a very bad place to be, indeed.
 
Yup and that would end-up me up needing to produce works to save myself which directly contradicts the gospel of Christ as the Savior. You simply are unable, at least as of now, to comprehend, believe, nor trust in Christ as Savior, and by that, you demonstrate that you are still under law and works, not grace - in God's eyes a very bad place to be, indeed.
I don't believe in works. I believe fully in grace, but not as you believe. Again, you have a false presumption that anyone who is not a Calvinist believes in works-based salvation.
 
Your theology is based on the false premise of "Total Depravity" and "Unconditional Election". Both these concepts are false. If you can shred these two concepts from your mind, you will be able to see the scriptures clearly just as they are written. Your allegiance should not be to Calvin, but to Jesus.
Its too bad you say this because both Total Depravity or Inability and Unconditional Election of Grace are vital Gospel Doctrines of the Grace of God.
 
We can know His will for us by studying the Bible and believing the Truth therein. The more we know about what God reveals of Himself, in Scripture, the more we understand His will for us and the more closely we align our requests to what He would have for us.
Agreed. And yet, many believers do not study the word and seek his will all the time. They fall out of the will of God. Heck, I fall out of the will of God constantly. God's will is not always followed. God's eternal will as stated in scripture will not change. He will make it come to pass. Do we want to be part of that or not? It's our choice.
 
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I saw your post #4,098 and you base your theology on a "maybe". You use the word "maybe", which reveals that you're not sure if your opinion is right or wrong.
That "maybe" was not on my behalf, but on the behalf of who I was responding. As in "don't you think this is a possibility?" It is not a maybe with me, it is truth.
 
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