Calvinism vs. Arminianism?
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I truly believe you have misunderstood the above verse, God is speaking to the reprobate in the above verse. You make it sound like God is trying to save them but they refuse His offer. That's twisting the scripture to change it's intended meaning.
I know you don't believe that God is almighty and that shows that you don't believe the God of the Bible, you have gone along with the false representation of God which says He is not all mighty. You believe he created everything, and then let man go and do as he pleases with no control over him.
The Bible says that God controls everything, He even has control over who He saves and whom He leaves in their sins. Why can't you just allow God the liberty to do as He pleases with His own creation, instead of forcing Him to comply with you fallen sinful expectations.
I know you don't believe that God is almighty and that shows that you don't believe the God of the Bible, you have gone along with the false representation of God which says He is not all mighty. You believe he created everything, and then let man go and do as he pleases with no control over him.
The Bible says that God controls everything, He even has control over who He saves and whom He leaves in their sins. Why can't you just allow God the liberty to do as He pleases with His own creation, instead of forcing Him to comply with you fallen sinful expectations.
You mean John 15:16? Jesus was talking to his disciples, not us. Jesus hand-picked them. But even they had the choice to follow or not. The rich young ruler was also given the choice. Everyone is given the choice at some point in life. And Joshua told folks to choose, didn't say they had to choose a small 'g' god and couldn't choose God the Father.
We can argue this till Jesus comes back. What I know is that there are people out there who don't know Jesus and can, and there are many who have heard and made the choice to ignore Jesus' call, for now. God does know what they will choose, but He does not make the choice for them. God did not make my choice for me, I did, and it was not a "work", it was in fact a most humbling experience, to realize how detrimental to my own life my own self was. It was God who brought it to my attention, yes, I would have never known it on my own. I could say that I was powerless to resist at some point, yes, it sure seemed that way, but I made choices that led up to that point.
If I am wrong and in the end there are certain people who God preordained to burn it does not now hinder me from trying to get everyone I meet to turn from sin and except Jesus as Savior, and I will continue to do so.
We can argue this till Jesus comes back. What I know is that there are people out there who don't know Jesus and can, and there are many who have heard and made the choice to ignore Jesus' call, for now. God does know what they will choose, but He does not make the choice for them. God did not make my choice for me, I did, and it was not a "work", it was in fact a most humbling experience, to realize how detrimental to my own life my own self was. It was God who brought it to my attention, yes, I would have never known it on my own. I could say that I was powerless to resist at some point, yes, it sure seemed that way, but I made choices that led up to that point.
If I am wrong and in the end there are certain people who God preordained to burn it does not now hinder me from trying to get everyone I meet to turn from sin and except Jesus as Savior, and I will continue to do so.
You think they were resisting the Holy Spirit reading them their rights and that is why they murdered all the prophets and Jesus? That doesn't make sense. What makes sense is they resisted the Holy Spirit's redemptive work in their lives and that is why they are murderers of the men of God.
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It might light but those that have been enlightened, deny the grace of God. Every time they sin they must crucify the Lord Jesus exposing Christ to public shame as if one o work of faith was not enough to pay for all the sins person will commit. Better thing accompany salvation the redemption of ones soul
once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:3-6
Scripture defines the all in as many as the father gives they alone he will not cast out
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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Yes; first one must hear the Word of God (the Gospel of Christ), then one can believe it is true, then one can make the decision (or choose) to accept the gift of Salvation, then one is saved, and everything that goes with it, including renewal of the heart.
The work was already done by Christ on the cross.
The work was already done by Christ on the cross.
Yes some hear the word and then fall away in unbelief (no faith) They cruicy the work of Christ that was already done on the cross every time they sin they expose Christ to public shame as if one work was not enough to forgive them for every sin their will ever commit .
Christ paid the full wage and gives the fulness of his grace. And not just enough to last until the next time men deny Christ in unbelief (no faith)
Better things accompany salvation .The redemption of ones soul.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Christ paid the full wage and gives the fulness of his grace. And not just enough to last until the next time men deny Christ in unbelief (no faith)
Better things accompany salvation .The redemption of ones soul.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
I have no interest in Arminius or any theologian. But Calvinists cannot admit even once that the Five Points are actually the components of a FALSE GOSPEL -- "another gospel".
And for you to go around sitting in judgment over other Christians (and that too as a Newbie) indicates that not only is your theology unbibicical, but your attitude is also questionable.
And for you to go around sitting in judgment over other Christians (and that too as a Newbie) indicates that not only is your theology unbibicical, but your attitude is also questionable.
You attacked Calvinists so I rebuked you for it, Calvinists are true Christians so you have no right to put them down in any way.
Also, the 5 points of Calvin were a response to Arminius and his false gospel teaching, they were never presented as an alternative Gospel.
That's what ignorant people accuse him of but there's no truth it. The 5 points just confirm the true Gospel, that we don't save our selves by choosing Jesus rather God chooses to save us.
I may have recently converted from Roman Catholicism, but I still have the right to proclaim the truth of the Gospel
Also, the 5 points of Calvin were a response to Arminius and his false gospel teaching, they were never presented as an alternative Gospel.
That's what ignorant people accuse him of but there's no truth it. The 5 points just confirm the true Gospel, that we don't save our selves by choosing Jesus rather God chooses to save us.
I may have recently converted from Roman Catholicism, but I still have the right to proclaim the truth of the Gospel
Not directed at you, just for the record there is really no "whosoever" in John 3:16, in Greek, or otherwise. It is "believing ones" or "the ones believing" "pas pisteuo." That is the proper interpretation. Today we have people preaching that "whosoever" means "You don't have to be chosen by God, you do it yourself! WHOSOEVER!!!!" Then they fight against the truths of predestination, election, and enthrone man while attempting to dethrone God. That is a false gospel. But the fact remains many profess to being Christian while rejecting the truths of Scripture they don't like.
Here's a truth: All elect will be saved, and all saved are only the elect.
As we know, we, being chosen by God via his grace only believe by his power; Ephesians 1:19, and by his grace, Acts 18:27.
Here's a truth: All elect will be saved, and all saved are only the elect.
As we know, we, being chosen by God via his grace only believe by his power; Ephesians 1:19, and by his grace, Acts 18:27.
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