Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

[Jimbone]

You keep thinking that, you have been led astray by a smooth talking man that follows another man named Calvin....and I find it hilariously tragic that three weeks ago you were not even settled on salvation, but now you are this massive bible scholar, able to discern truth like Paul did and refusing to acknowledge all the scriptures we post that contradicts not only Calvin but the main peddler of an "ism" that is as false as it comes....carry on....see how that path works out for you!

Does he follow all of Calvin teachings..are you positively sure?

I see what you are doing here dc...you are manipulating and twisting everything I say.....but that’s ok....I am not a bible scholar..where have I said that?

I don’t think you read my posts properly....you are in such a rush..to tell many they are wrong and skewed in their knowledge.

It’s quite sad...because you don’t discuss..you just insult and tell quite a few that they are wrong....it’s either your way or the highway.
That’s why I don’t engage with you.....you are too downright rude for me.....it’s horrible to see and read.
Anyway....you carry on......

By the way I have never ever doubted my Faith in God...it was my head.

Exactly, they come and tell you what you believe, then condemn you to hell based only on the straw-man they build. I've learned as well that they cannot be reasoned with. They accuse you of being a heretic and dog pile you with this unrelenting, aggressive attacking, insulting, condemning, wall building, separating, unwilling to even ask questions, much less listen enough to realize we are we might arrive at the same place from different way of looking at it, and act as the gate guards of all truth. We are saved (and I refuse to call myself "Calvinist," how can I? I've never read a word he's written outside of what's been quoted here, I don't quote him in any cases from authority, I honestly have nothing to do with him including the church I attend, and from my personal perspective know I was also saved when I believed just like they do, so I KNOW that you can be saved holding either view) and honestly the only thing I think we disagree on is this imaginary belief that they say we have, and attack this "fake news view" over and over like a Democrat on Trump. No matter how many times they're told "WE DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE BELIEVE!!!!!!!".???? Yet in the very same cult like behavior they accuse others of, in an almost "pastor Anderson mob" style, they will go after it every time. What's the motivation?

I hear you sister, all this mess is for the birds, I(we) have to trust Him to guide them by His Spirit just as I(we) trust Him to guide me(us). The only real problem here I see is the aggressively rude comments coming from only 1 side. Can you just leave that crap at the door and discuss like adults? Please in the name of OUR Lord, your Lord and my Lord, I do not follow Apollos, or Paul, or CALVIN and a big thing is, I don't even see anyone preaching Calvin, only Gods word, only quoting scripture, so whether you agree or not you can't accuse one of Calvinism when they say "I'm not" and no one is teaching FROM anything he said. I could be wrong here of course and if anyone has quoted Calvin other than to use it to condemn Calvinist who don't even claim to be so, they I haven't seen it. I truly pray this nonsense will end and some kind of respectful common ground can be met, if for no other reason than simply to respect a fellow image bearer as we are COMMANDED to do. You know why we were commanded this? In case a fellow Christ proclaiming believer is in error on something that you have right and God uses you to teach them. Guess what else? They may be used by Him to correct an error you have. I know iron sharpening iron who ever heard such a thing, insane. Something this style of debate they engage in cuts it off before an conversation can even begin. They will not listen and deal with whats said honestly, in an attempt that looks to me to be nothing more than wanting "to be right". I don't know really, but sister keep following who He sent to guide us, His Spirit, and have a blessed day.

 

[jackrosie]

Exactly, they come and tell you what you believe, then condemn you to hell based only on the straw-man they build. I've learned as well that they cannot be reasoned with. They accuse you of being a heretic and dog pile you with this unrelenting, aggressive attacking, insulting, condemning, wall building, separating, unwilling to even ask questions, much less listen enough to realize we are we might arrive at the same place from different way of looking at it, and act as the gate guards of all truth. We are saved (and I refuse to call myself "Calvinist," how can I? I've never read a word he's written outside of what's been quoted here, I don't quote him in any cases from authority, I honestly have nothing to do with him including the church I attend, and from my personal perspective know I was also saved when I believed just like they do, so I KNOW that you can be saved holding either view) and honestly the only thing I think we disagree on is this imaginary belief that they say we have, and attack this "fake news view" over and over like a Democrat on Trump. No matter how many times they're told "WE DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE BELIEVE!!!!!!!".???? Yet in the very same cult like behavior they accuse others of, in an almost "pastor Anderson mob" style, they will go after it every time. What's the motivation?

I hear you sister, all this mess is for the birds, I(we) have to trust Him to guide them by His Spirit just as I(we) trust Him to guide me(us). The only real problem here I see is the aggressively rude comments coming from only 1 side. Can you just leave that crap at the door and discuss like adults? Please in the name of OUR Lord, your Lord and my Lord, I do not follow Apollos, or Paul, or CALVIN and a big thing is, I don't even see anyone preaching Calvin, only Gods word, only quoting scripture, so whether you agree or not you can't accuse one of Calvinism when they say "I'm not" and no one is teaching FROM anything he said. I could be wrong here of course and if anyone has quoted Calvin other than to use it to condemn Calvinist who don't even claim to be so, they I haven't seen it. I truly pray this nonsense will end and some kind of respectful common ground can be met, if for no other reason than simply to respect a fellow image bearer as we are COMMANDED to do. You know why we were commanded this? In case a fellow Christ proclaiming believer is in error on something that you have right and God uses you to teach them. Guess what else? They may be used by Him to correct an error you have. I know iron sharpening iron who ever heard such a thing, insane. Something this style of debate they engage in cuts it off before an conversation can even begin. They will not listen and deal with whats said honestly, in an attempt that looks to me to be nothing more than wanting "to be right". I don't know really, but sister keep following who He sent to guide us, His Spirit, and have a blessed day.

Brilliant post,brother...Praise Our Wonderful Father In Heaven!.

 

[Duskey]

Your behaviour is worrying and concerning....Jesus would never ever speak to members as I have seen you do.

Never in a million yrs....you belittle people.....fruit,fruit,comes to mind.

Read Matthew 23 and learn something about Jesus’ no nonsense temperament towards people who manipulate God’s Word.

 

[jackrosie]

Read Matthew 23 and learn something about Jesus’ no nonsense temperament towards people who manipulate God’s Word.

You can cover behaviour up as much as you like...it has nothing to do with scripture.....nothing to do with manipulating God’s word.

It’s not just noticed by me either...someone else called him out....

 

[Nehemiah6]

Please post some of it, I would like to see. (Im not a Calvinist)

Here's another good example from Calvin's commentaries. He is himself affirming that God refutes his theology:

John 12:47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

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CALVIN'S COMMENTARY: SALVATION IS FOR ALL
47. If any man hear my words. After having spoken concerning his grace, and exhorted his disciples to steady faith, he now begins to strike the rebellious, though even here he mitigates the severity due to the wickedness of those who deliberately -- as it were -- reject God; for he delays to pronounce judgment on them, because, on the contrary, he has come for the salvation of all.

In the first place, we ought to understand that he does not speak here of all unbelievers without distinction, but of those who, knowingly and willingly, reject the doctrine of the Gospel which has been exhibited to them. Why then does Christ not choose to condemn them? It is because he lays aside for a time the office of a judge, and offers salvation to all without reserve, and stretches out his arms to embrace all, that all may be the more encouraged to repent.

And yet there is a circumstance of no small moment, by which he points out the aggravation of the crime, if they reject an invitation so kind and gracious, for it is as if he had said, "Lo, I am here to invite all, and, forgetting the character of a judge, I have this as my single object, to persuade all, and to rescue from destruction those who are already twice ruined." No man, therefore, is condemned on account of having despised the Gospel, except he who, disdaining the lovely message of salvation, has chosen of his own accord to draw down destruction on himself.

 

[fredoheaven]

Harsh words by Paul to Galatians believers...

Galatian 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 

[NOV25]

This would rightly apply to Calvin and his disciples (you included). Go and read his commentaries again (as posted).

We’ve already established you’re bias leads you to misinterpret Calvin’s writings, by we I mean me, @EleventhHour (your fellow free will’er) and others I’m sure. The beauty of your open admittance to falsely interpreting Calvin’s writings is that it proves your bias and sheds light on how you interpret scripture.

 

[jackrosie]

Calvin disciples.......?.....

We are a disciple of Jesus!........we follow the Lord...led by the Holy Spirit.....who leads us into his truth....not man’s.

 

[Duskey]

Read Matthew 23 and learn something about Jesus’ no nonsense temperament towards people who manipulate God’s Word.

So jackrosie gives the above post a red x, therefore she’s either blatantly disagreeing with Scripture, true to form for a calvinist, she’s simply arguing with someone she doesn’t like just for the sake of arguing, true to form for a tare, or its both. Either way, her bad fruit is on full display.

 

[Duskey]

You can cover behaviour up as much as you like...it has nothing to do with scripture.....nothing to do with manipulating God’s word.

It’s not just noticed by me either...someone else called him out....

You’re deliberately passive-aggressive and yet all you do is talk about fruit, fruit, fruit. Take the PLANK OUT OF YOUR EYE.

 

[fredoheaven]

Here's another good example from Calvin's commentaries. He is himself affirming that God refutes his theology:

John 12:47: And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

​

CALVIN'S COMMENTARY: SALVATION IS FOR ALL
47. If any man hear my words. After having spoken concerning his grace, and exhorted his disciples to steady faith, he now begins to strike the rebellious, though even here he mitigates the severity due to the wickedness of those who deliberately -- as it were -- reject God; for he delays to pronounce judgment on them, because, on the contrary, he has come for the salvation of all.

In the first place, we ought to understand that he does not speak here of all unbelievers without distinction, but of those who, knowingly and willingly, reject the doctrine of the Gospel which has been exhibited to them. Why then does Christ not choose to condemn them? It is because he lays aside for a time the office of a judge, and offers salvation to all without reserve, and stretches out his arms to embrace all, that all may be the more encouraged to repent.

And yet there is a circumstance of no small moment, by which he points out the aggravation of the crime, if they reject an invitation so kind and gracious, for it is as if he had said, "Lo, I am here to invite all, and, forgetting the character of a judge, I have this as my single object, to persuade all, and to rescue from destruction those who are already twice ruined." No man, therefore, is condemned on account of having despised the Gospel, except he who, disdaining the lovely message of salvation, has chosen of his own accord to draw down destruction on himself.

Ok, the link is found here:

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cal/john-12.html

 

[jackrosie]

You’re deliberately passive-aggressive and yet all you do is talk about fruit, fruit, fruit. Take the PLANK OUT OF YOUR EYE.

Of course I am to you...your one of his mates.

We are called to bear fruit.the Lord’s fruit......you shall know them by their fruit....

I find you to be passive aggressive...you sow discord all over this site,with your mates.

 

[fredoheaven]

We’ve already established you’re bias leads you to misinterpret Calvin’s writings, by we I mean me, @EleventhHour (your fellow free will’er) and others I’m sure. The beauty of your open admittance to falsely interpreting Calvin’s writings is that it proves your bias and sheds light on how you interpret scripture.

Would you mind to interpret Calvin as posted by N6? Thanks

 

[jackrosie]

So jackrosie gives the above post a red x, therefore she’s either blatantly disagreeing with Scripture, true to form for a calvinist, she’s simply arguing with someone she doesn’t like just for the sake of arguing, true to form for a tare, or its both. Either way, her bad fruit is on full display.

Correct..because his behaviour was nothing to do with peoples manipulating God’s word......

You can dress it up as much as you like...you’re a bully....why didn’t you pick EG up for using a lower case when addressing God.

I tell you why you didn’t.because he’s your mate!...yet you were quick to pull me up over it.

 

[jackrosie]

Correct..because his behaviour was nothing to do with peoples manipulating God’s word......

You can dress it up as much as you like...you’re a bully....why didn’t you pick EG up for using a lower case when addressing God.

I tell you why you didn’t.because he’s your mate!...yet you were quick to pull me up over it.

And you have the nerve to tell me about my plank...look at your own!

 

[Duskey]

Of course I am to you...your one of his mates.

We are called to bear fruit.the Lord’s fruit......you shall know them by their fruit....

I find you to be passive aggressive...you sow discord all over this site,with your mates.

“You’re”

 

[EleventhHour]

We’ve already established you’re bias leads you to misinterpret Calvin’s writings, by we I mean me, @EleventhHour (your fellow free will’er) and others I’m sure. The beauty of your open admittance to falsely interpreting Calvin’s writings is that it proves your bias and sheds light on how you interpret scripture.

What bias would that be?

 

[garee]

So jackrosie gives the above post a red x, therefore she’s either blatantly disagreeing with Scripture, true to form for a calvinist, she’s simply arguing with someone she doesn’t like just for the sake of arguing, true to form for a tare, or its both. Either way, her bad fruit is on full display.

We must be careful how we believe or say we hear the understanding of our invisible God .

What some call Calvinist (Calvin is dead) Their ideology has no true form. . not mixing faith the eternal things of God with the things seen, the temporal .

Un like those who do walk or understand by faith. Christ's working in us, the unseen eternal work .

They who do walk by faith (Christ) as it is written are given the understanding, the power to believe God and not of us.

Just as it was with the Son of man and his earthly body of death. His salvation (not doing the will of his corrupted flesh) was not of his own self. He did not do the will of the his flesh which he said profits for nothing zero. But was strengthened of the father not seen. As a apostle messenger(angel) he was sent or moved with prophecy to perform the will not seen. (the pleasure of the father) .The Son of man Jesus planted the incorruptible born again seed in a hope the father would work in those and give them the power to believe also..

 

[Duskey]

We must be careful how we believe or say we hear the understanding of our invisible God.

I’m guided by the Holy Spirit. Thanks 😎

 

[NOV25]

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