Calvinists are Gnostics

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Here's a video where well known calvinists claiming God actually causes evil to happen. One guy actually claims God orders people to commit adultery against their spouse!

Here these crazy unbiblical claims for yourself:


Wow, whatever claim anyone does whether of a religion or not. trees are still identified by their fruit are they not
Can an orange tree produce cherries? We will know by the fruits, the outcome

I once saw an orchard full of trees, all kinds and it looked appeared awesome. I went there and took a few bites

I got a mouthful of wax, fake trees these were. I left and saw a desert place with one tree and one little fruit on it
I Was told go ahead and eat. I did not want to, in thought of being selfish and another needing it would not get it.
So, one day I went ahead and ate the little piece of sweet fruit (The tree of Life, Jesus the Christ) and I watched that tree grow out another piece of fruit the same as the first. I then understood it is all God and none of anyone else ever

Now see in Genesis 3 I think it is, where God said they (Note) they when God said we need to guard the tree of life, man has become like one of us. They need not eat from it, if do then they will live forever as evil.
So God put a Cherubim at the gate guarding the tree of life until the Son came back to life, by Father's doing it. Now we are able in sincere belief, able to eat from the tree of life, eat my body, drink my blood and receive eternal life.
We can then say as Son said it in John 19:30 it is done. Once beleive and stand in beleif no matter what, we can say it in humility not pride over it anymore, at least me thanks
 
Here's a video where well known calvinists claiming God actually causes evil to happen. One guy actually claims God orders people to commit adultery against their spouse!
Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

God would not order a person to commit adultery if He is against it.

How would the world be judged if there is no free will for they did not make the choice to do it.

How could we be responsible for our sins if we do not have free will.

How can God's kingdom be love if we do not have free will.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If a person sins wilfully , hold unto sin, the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

But how could they sin wilfully if they do not have free will.

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

God who is good would never allow people to do evil by His operation but it would be their choice to do it.

That is how the world will be judged because they have a choice.

If there is no free will why is the world judged.

God does allow sin to happen but it comes from people.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Adam and Eve were created an innocent nature in flesh.

God made mankind to do good but they sought out their own ways.

Which means if they do evil it was their own choice.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Satan was created perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him which the angels had a choice.

God created mankind and angels to do good but they made the choice to do evil.

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

All sin comes from angels and people and not God.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God wants all people to be saved.

Many are called but few are chosen.

If God chooses in the beginning who will be saved and not saved without their choice then why is He calling people that cannot be chosen.

God does the calling and choosing on earth.

Predestination means God had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world but this salvation is to whoever wants it because He wants all people to be saved.

When God calls a person according to their heart condition He will work in their life to get them to the truth but when they get to the door of truth they have to make the choice to go through it for His kingdom is love but they would of not got to the truth if God did not intervene in their life.

Which God gets the glory.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

These people did not go through the door of truth.

These people in the video are these people.

They say they cannot abstain from sin which they are holding on to sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

They deny the power thereof and do not come to the truth.
 
Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

God would not order a person to commit adultery if He is against it.

How would the world be judged if there is no free will for they did not make the choice to do it.

How could we be responsible for our sins if we do not have free will.

How can God's kingdom be love if we do not have free will.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If a person sins wilfully , hold unto sin, the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

But how could they sin wilfully if they do not have free will.

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

God who is good would never allow people to do evil by His operation but it would be their choice to do it.

That is how the world will be judged because they have a choice.

If there is no free will why is the world judged.

God does allow sin to happen but it comes from people.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Adam and Eve were created an innocent nature in flesh.

God made mankind to do good but they sought out their own ways.

Which means if they do evil it was their own choice.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Satan was created perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him which the angels had a choice.

God created mankind and angels to do good but they made the choice to do evil.

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

All sin comes from angels and people and not God.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God wants all people to be saved.

Many are called but few are chosen.

If God chooses in the beginning who will be saved and not saved without their choice then why is He calling people that cannot be chosen.

God does the calling and choosing on earth.

Predestination means God had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world but this salvation is to whoever wants it because He wants all people to be saved.

When God calls a person according to their heart condition He will work in their life to get them to the truth but when they get to the door of truth they have to make the choice to go through it for His kingdom is love but they would of not got to the truth if God did not intervene in their life.

Which God gets the glory.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

These people did not go through the door of truth.

These people in the video are these people.

They say they cannot abstain from sin which they are holding on to sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

They deny the power thereof and do not come to the truth.

as our Father in by risen Son for all continues calling in God's love, mercy and truth for all equally, thank you Father and Son
 
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What Say You? ~ When Scripture says there are none good, does it mean some are good? When Scripture says we all fall short, does it mean there are some who meet God's standards? When Scripture says, "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned..." Does it mean the natural man can understand the spiritual things of God? Does it mean he really can understand the gospel message even though it is heard as foolishness to him as Scriptures say? Is the natural man gifted with wisdom even though he has no fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom? Will the lover of darkness come into the light even though Scripture says he will not, because he suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness and is actually defined as darkness itself, hates the light, and is a slave to sin, blinded to the truth and captive to the will of the devil, which many define as being free? Is the heart of the natural man, the stony ground which needs to be replaced, fit for receiving and growing the Seed of God's Word into faith? Will that incurably wicked heart choose of its own accord to believe? Will that bad tree bring forth the good fruit of faith even though Jesus said it was not possible?
 
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Whoever made this video ---has just cut out of context what they wanted for their own deranged use and are presenting it as what these people have said -----all false and done to Con and confuse people --the work of the :devilish: here folks ------

deception personified

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Here's a video where well known calvinists claiming God actually causes evil to happen. One guy actually claims God orders people to commit adultery against their spouse!

Here these crazy unbiblical claims for yourself:

Same excuse Adam threw at God right after the fall, accusing God of man's fault - "the woman YOU gave me caused me to sin."
 
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God would not order a person to commit adultery if He is against it.

Tell that to the calvinists

They also believe that when a child molester rapes a little child it's not only God's will for the child to be raped, but they believe God CAUSED the rapist to rape the child.


Nothing about Gnosticism? Your thread title is misleading.

No it's actually no misleading at all.

Gnosticism means one has some "special knowledge or revelation" which is what calvinists are claiming as they twist scripture to say thing God does not teach


all false and done to Con and confuse people

That's what the calvinists continually claim as they attaempt to defend their scripture twisting.



Same excuse Adam threw at God right after the fall, accusing God of man's fault - "the woman YOU gave me caused me to sin."

Yep, the devil is teaching people to blame God for everything that's not right.

Calvinists are purveyors of this gnostic thinking



Not even close to:

"The woman you gave me caused me to sin"

We can blame our sin on others?

Reads it again.

Adam is in fact blaming God claiming he sinned because of the woman God had given him.
 
No it's actually no misleading at all.

Gnosticism means one has some "special knowledge or revelation" which is what calvinists are claiming as they twist scripture to say thing God does not teach
You have a weird way of interpreting things, but it's nothing new really, is it? Because the free will crowd makes up a lot of stuff and says it's taught in the Bible when it is not in the Bible at all. In fact they contradict the very words of Jesus Christ... and because they don't like what Jesus says, some will rewrite what He said, because simply denying His words isn't enough. Man is not the creature Scripture makes him out to be, according to them. He hears and sees just fine, and comprehends that which Scripture says he cannot, and agrees with and decides to believe what he finds foolish... Against everything Scripture says to the contrary, which quite frankly makes what free willers say sound like absolute rubbish to me when compared to what the Bible actually does say... but they will revile those who uphold what the Bible actually says. Believing what Scripture says is not claiming special knowledge ... calling someone a Calvinist is often just a logical fallacy that indicates that you don't believe what the Bible says... that you prefer philosophical constructs to Biblical truths. Some of those Pelagian heretics claim God is not even required in the process of coming to believe. They speak as if man has spiritually evolved since when Jesus walked the world, and refuse to accept that man is born is a state of being spiritually dead to God in need of being born again. They will say or agree with the idea that God does not act unilaterally, that for Him to do so would make Him an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their "free" will." They would call it rape, even, and would rather blaspheme God than ever admit they were wrong. So if you want to take stock of the downright horrible nasty blasphemous things people say, try to be fair and include also those things free willers say in denying what the Bible explicitly articulates in preference to their opinions.

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The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14
 
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Tell that to the calvinists

They also believe that when a child molester rapes a little child it's not only God's will for the child to be raped, but they believe God CAUSED the rapist to rape the child.




No it's actually no misleading at all.

Gnosticism means one has some "special knowledge or revelation" which is what calvinists are claiming as they twist scripture to say thing God does not teach




That's what the calvinists continually claim as they attaempt to defend their scripture twisting.





Yep, the devil is teaching people to blame God for everything that's not right.

Calvinists are purveyors of this gnostic thinking





Reads it again.

Adam is in fact blaming God claiming he sinned because of the woman God had given him.
Adam, is in fact, giving the exact truth as to how it all went down. So did Eve.

Adam was not deceived.

Cain, on the other hand, did not name it and site it.

1 John 1:9 isn't about beating around the bush,feeling sorry and making excuses.......It is about naming it and moving on.
 
You have a weird way of interpreting things,

I'm not a scripture twister so I could never be in agreement with calvinist doctrine which is heretical

It's sad that the calvinists don't even know if they'll be saved or not. Very sad.




Adam, is in fact, giving the exact truth as to how it all went down. So did Eve.

Adam was not deceived.

Tell that to the calvinists

They think it was no only God's will for Adam to sin, but they think God caused Adam to sin because God enjoys Him some sin!
 
Even though I disagree with this video yet .. really? You have to post him talk about him .. he gets no say.. write the guy.. talk to him.. let him answer back.

Fail.. dislike.. sad..
 
Even though I disagree with this video yet .. really? You have to post him talk about him .. he gets no say.. write the guy.. talk to him.. let him answer back.

Fail.. dislike.. sad..

Yeah calvinists always get SAD when their heresy is exposed for what it is - heresy
 
I'm not a scripture twister so I could never be in agreement with calvinist doctrine which is heretical

It's sad that the calvinists don't even know if they'll be saved or not. Very sad.
I've read that large portions of scripture are POLEMICS, which means critical responses. If you are clueless, read the sermon on the mount, from the beatitudes to the lord's prayer, all polemics on what had been done wrong - "you've heard ... but I say unto you ..." Likewise, all pauline epistles are his counselling to various issues in each of these early churches. Therefore, correct interpretation requires understanding of the original issues in the original historical context. If you don't know anything about the historical context, neither will you understand the response.

To make a perhaps inappropriate example, you study american civil war, canonical documents tell you that it's all about slavery and racism; then there's a new research providing a new view, that the primary cause is dispute over western territory and economic policy, the north wanted to build factories, the south plantations; the north wanted strong currency and high tariff for local industry development, the south weak currency and low tariff for exports and imports with europe. The war erupted at the point when these two economic models could no longer coexist. But if you don't know anything about the civil war, if you don't even know such a civil war ever existed, you apply this view on some other wars in other historical eras, then you'll surely get lost.