First, I thought you are using Russian (brat = brother) then I realized I learned a new English word today!
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First, I thought you are using Russian (brat = brother) then I realized I learned a new English word today!
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kaylagrl
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I've seen four Calvinist reply since "all the Calvinists left."
Yep,they woke up I guess. Also I keep forgetting time zones,and we aren't all Americans.
Yep,they woke up I guess. Also I keep forgetting time zones,and we aren't all Americans.
Its a midnight here... so ask me till you can!
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Ariel82
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You posted no verses proving your order of things, so I can only repeat that, the non-spiritual man cannot accept the things of the Spirit.
Thats why we must be made "spiritual" so that we can accept the things of the Spirit.
Sorry for my short answers, but I see no need to make it longer...
Are all spiritual men born again believers in Christ?
I will look for the,verses...someone handed me a pamplets ages ago with,them,on it.
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kaylagrl
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Its a midnight here... so ask me till you can!
Supper time here,hubby will be through the door soon needing something to eat soon.
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Ariel82
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If you ask "are they already all believers" - apparently not, some will come to faith in the future.
If you ask "can they be spiritual and die in their unbelief" - no, because "Spirit gives life".
Also, if you are trying to figure out if everybody is spiritual, notice that Paul makes a distinction between the spiritual and the carnal ones. So not everybody is spiritual.
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Ariel82
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I always believed that all men had spirits/souls but only those who have the Holy Spirit understand the things of God.
That the Holy Spirit can work externally in a person's life before the indwelling within the heart.
All living beings have souls/spirit:
James 2:22
For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead
Only those with the Holy spirit understand God but all men have spirits that can be used to search our hearts.
1 Corinthians 2:11
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
Job 32:8
Verse Concepts
"But it is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding.
Does this verse apply to all men? I believe it does and God searches the heart of all men and sees our sins and can chose to change our hearts and minds through His spirit.
Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD, Searching all the innermost parts of his being.
That the Holy Spirit can work externally in a person's life before the indwelling within the heart.
All living beings have souls/spirit:
James 2:22
For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead
Only those with the Holy spirit understand God but all men have spirits that can be used to search our hearts.
1 Corinthians 2:11
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
Job 32:8
Verse Concepts
"But it is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding.
Does this verse apply to all men? I believe it does and God searches the heart of all men and sees our sins and can chose to change our hearts and minds through His spirit.
Proverbs 20:27
The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD, Searching all the innermost parts of his being.
OK, in that case by "spiritual" I mean "born again of the Spirit". Not "spiritual" in the sense of inner man or in the sense of being alive.
"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
J 3:8
- this is what I mean by "spiritual man"
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People want to think they are spiritual apart from God... not possible;
they are deceiving themselves: Buddhism, shamanism, all kinds of pursuits
under the "spiritual" umbrella does not make one saved at all, they are quite lost.
Jesus said He is the way...
they are deceiving themselves: Buddhism, shamanism, all kinds of pursuits
under the "spiritual" umbrella does not make one saved at all, they are quite lost.
Jesus said He is the way...
i believe those buddhist people etc will eventually find the truth because
romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
philippians 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1 corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
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Ariel82
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Romans 10 and I Corinthians 12 go to gather, unless the Spirit give life granted by the Father it's not happening and the Philippians is talking about judgement day, it will be to late to be saved.
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Ariel82
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God did tell us to test the spirits. So they may be "spiritual" just not filled with the Holy spirit.
Demons are evil spirits.
Aaah all these different uses of the same word gives me a headache.
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Ariel82
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Are you a Universalist?
In that you believe all of humanity will be saved?
Which part of the TULIP do you believe in?
hi Ariel82 yes im a christian universalist and i believe everyone and everything will be reconciled through Christ eventually.. universalism might be looked at as weird today but in the early church many were universalists infact like origen he is quite famous. i also wanna say that it doesnt mean i dont believe in God's judgment, i just believe its a 'corrective' punishment if you will like the word kolasis actually means pruning a tree or correct
i dont wanna hijack this thread but if you are interested tentmaker is a good website to learn of it...i do believe the I and P in TULIP maybe T but im not sure what they mean by total depravity, i think its evident people are looking for something spiritual thats why you have so many religions and systems up so there is something in man that wants truth. but maybe they mean people cant find the truth unless God draws them in which case i agree!!!
my personal question to calvinists is do you think God actively intervenes in society today or is it only in bringing people to faith???? do you believe in miracles or healing?
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